I would take it with a grain of salt.

You cant get into North Korea.

The evidence is anecdotal and unreliable.

And these 'rights agencies' always have an agenda.

Originally posted by Germanicus
I would take it with a grain of salt.

You cant get into North Korea.

The evidence is anecdotal and unreliable.

And these 'rights agencies' always have an agenda.

Is it your objective to troll as much as possible?.

Westerners may not be able to easily get into north korea, but, they do go from time to time.
There is also a flow of information and people from inside the regime into china and south korea.
North Koreas security agencies have a heavy presence in both countries, always looking to suppress their dissidents and stem the flow of information.
Amnesty will have been in touch with political prisoners, who would want them to know exactly what has happened to them, and others, who have been through the prison camps.
Amnesty international does have an agenda, it's agenda is the fair treatment of political prisoners the world over, furthermore, they also attempt to get governments to adhere to basic Human rights, and, try to gather evidence through face to face contact, of torture and extra judicial killings by the state and it's actors.
This is hardly "Anecdotal" evidence gathering.
These are first hand accounts of the state of reality for political prisoners, the general population, and, dissidents, within oppressive regimes.

Originally posted by The X

Originally posted by Germanicus
I would take it with a grain of salt.

You cant get into North Korea.

The evidence is anecdotal and unreliable.

And these 'rights agencies' always have an agenda.

Is it your objective to troll as much as possible?.

Westerners may not be able to easily get into north korea, but, they do go from time to time.
There is also a flow of information and people from inside the regime into china and south korea.
North Koreas security agencies have a heavy presence in both countries, always looking to suppress their dissidents and stem the flow of information.
Amnesty will have been in touch with political prisoners, who would want them to know exactly what has happened to them, and others, who have been through the prison camps.
Amnesty international does have an agenda, it's agenda is the fair treatment of political prisoners the world over, furthermore, they also attempt to get governments to adhere to basic Human rights, and, try to gather evidence through face to face contact, of torture and extra judicial killings by the state and it's actors.
This is hardly "Anecdotal" evidence gathering.
These are first hand accounts of the state of reality for political prisoners, the general population, and, dissidents, within oppressive regimes.

My objective is to post if I have an opinion that has not been put forward. You may think my opinion is wrong. That does not mean I am a troll. I honestly am getting sick of people like you making constant personal attacks because I happen to disagree with you.

If I was North Korea,I could put out some pretty bad propaganda about the US if I wanted to. Does any North Korean live in a Tent city? My opinion is that the US Government is demonic for cutting people from welfare and just allowing them to fall through the cracks.

You are brainwashed by propaganda in my opinion and you remind me of a Party Member from 1984. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Maybe you would prefer a forum where everyone agrees. You should look around.

And who is to say this isn't a result of espionage? A dangerous country involved in nuclear development can be weakened by having its political infrastructure weakened.

They all kill whomever they think needs it....Every country every spy agency every police force in the world....if anyone thinks you ddeserve it, well, you get it one way or the other....and if by chance you are untouchable, they do their best to make you wish you were dead...Nobody is allowed to win...nobody......