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In addition, Berlin has obviously applied pressure on Athens to combine a referendum on remaining in the Euro zone with the elections. This tactic is aimed at weakening the opponents of austerity. According to reports, German Finance Minster Schäuble made this proposal already last Monday to his Greek counterpart at the meeting of the Euro finance ministers.[2] This proposal is obviously supported by the Chairman of the CDU/CSU parliamentary group in the Bundestag, Volker Kauder ("Now German will be spoken in Europe" [3]). A Greek government spokesman confirmed that Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Greek President Karolos Papoulias last Friday to implement the German plan for a Greek referendum, whereas in November 2011, Berlin briskly rebuffed the Prime Minister at the time, Giorgos Papandreou, when he publicly announced his proposal to hold a referendum. This led to his demise. Berlin's open interference is met with outrage in Athens. The Greek population has a "right to respect," the chairperson of the conservative Nea Dimokratia, Antonis Samaras, was quoted as saying. And the chairman of the opposition party Syriza, Alexis Tsipras, declared that Berlin is acting as if Greece "is a protectorate."
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Daedal
Well, to be honest, as Germany is expected to pay the bills for Greece, why can't they make some demands in return? Or are they just supposed to say "here is a blank cheque, do what you want with our taxpayers cash".
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Daedal
Well, to be honest, as Germany is expected to pay the bills for Greece, why can't they make some demands in return? Or are they just supposed to say "here is a blank cheque, do what you want with our taxpayers cash".
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Daedal
Well, to be honest, as Germany is expected to pay the bills for Greece, why can't they make some demands in return? Or are they just supposed to say "here is a blank cheque, do what you want with our taxpayers cash".
I think that Greece,Spain and Portugal should declare War on Germany. I dont think France would help them now. The United States/IMF would. I think these countries need to call the bluff of the United States and Germany.
Maybe Germany and the United States would fight them but would any other Western Nation help the US and Germany? I think we would all rally behing the Greeks,Spainiards and Portuguese.
It has taken GERMANY more than 60 years to try and CONQUER EUROPE.............. seems they are getting there...............or at least attempting to
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Daedal
Well, to be honest, as Germany is expected to pay the bills for Greece, why can't they make some demands in return? Or are they just supposed to say "here is a blank cheque, do what you want with our taxpayers cash".
But the Greek people do not want Germanys money, they just want to govern themselves. It is the politicians that are pushing them into borrowing more money, they are just throwing money away, the Greek people know that, the European people know that but throwing money away is easier for the politicians at the monute than going into the deep unknown, which is what will happen should they let Greece fold.
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by michael1983l
Kind of correct but mainly we are still in recession because around 2/3 of our daily trade is with Eurozone countries. Obviously, with the problems in the Eurozone, the UK is not exporting as much to this region, hence contraction of the economy. This is also why the UK economy will not grow properly until the Eurozone is fixed (whether that is staying with the Euro or a return to National Currencies).
The Second World War[1] officially began on September 1, 1939, with the German invasion of Poland. Britain and France declared war on the Nazi Third Reich on September 3, 1939. Seven days later, on September 10, 1939, the Parliament of Canada likewise declared war on Germany, the country's first independent declaration of war[2] and the beginning of Canada's participation in the largest combined national effort in its history. By war's end, 1 million citizens would have served in military uniform, and Canada would possess the fourth-largest air force and third-largest naval surface fleet in the world
World War II: about 55 million
Of those:
Military(millions) Civilian (millions)
USSR 13.6 7.0
Yugoslavia 0.4 1.3
USA 0.3 0.006
Poland 0.3 4.2
Canada 0.04
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Flavian
A weak Greek currency is exactly what they need, it will be painful initially but soon after the Greek domestic output will increase. Greeks will start to inovate to produce goods for themselves rather than rely on expensive imports which they cannot afford. The beauty of this happening means it will soon turn into a competative exporter and thus will eventually balance the economy out in between 5 to 10 years. That is much less time than they will spend paying their debts back under mass austerity. The only option for the good of the Greek people is default and reverting back to the drachma.