Google Earth proves Muhammad-Islam

reply to post by iIuminaIi


I'm just gunna stop responding because you seem to be confused about their writings, you're taking bits and pieces of the scripture and applying it to your scenarios to make them fit without providing anything complete. Bottom line is Muhammad was never prophesied in the Bible.

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Vice-Versa

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.” (Deut 18:18)

reply to post by Strength


Yes, they are full of it, contradictions that is. Most Muslim believes an infidel would be incapable of understanding Qumran. The problem is the Qumran is a hodge podge scrapbook of mix-matched religion that constantly contradicts it self. It should be no wonder why you find so much contradiction when a Muslim is quoting the Bible, for them that’s just normal

Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by Strength

 

Yes, they are full of it, contradictions that is. Most Muslim believes an infidel would be incapable of understanding Qumran. The problem is the Qumran is a hodge podge scrapbook of mix-matched religion that constantly contradicts it self. It should be no wonder why you find so much contradiction when a Muslim is quoting the Bible, for them that’s just normal

bravo

The Bottom Line Prophecy

ARABS AND ARABIA: In the Christian Bible.

(a) The burden upon Arabia” ISAIAH 21:13. “Burden” = responsibility. God has imposed upon the Muslims, the duty to deliver His Message to mankind. ISAIAH mentions this after having seen the vision of a chariot of asses and a chariot of camels (ISAIAH 21:7) The chariot of asses turned out to be Jesus (PBUH) who entered Jerusalem riding on two donkeys (Matthew 21:7) Who then was of the “Chariot of Camels”?

It could be none other than Muhummed (PBUH) who came about six hundred years after the advent of Jesus Christ (PBUH). If this conclusion is not accepted, then this prophecy would still remain unfulfilled.


(b) ” . . the villages that Kedar doth inhabit ISAIAH 42:11 Kedar being Ishmael’s offspring. “Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar. . .” EZEKIEL 27:21


The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia quotes the following from A.S. Fulton:

. . . Of the Ishmaelite tribes, Kedar must have been the most important and thus in later times the name came to be applied to all the wild tribes of the desert. It is though Kedar (Arab Keidar) that Muslim genealogists trace the descent of Muhammad from Ishmael.”


(c) “. . . he (Muhummed pbuh) shined forth from mount Paran (in Arabia), and he came with ten thousand saints. DEUTERONOMY 33:2. (Referring to the conquest of Makkah).


(d) ” . . and I (God Almighty) will move them (the Jews) to jealousy with those (the Arabs) which are NOT A PEOPLE (a non-entity): I will provoke them (the Jews) to anger with a FOOLISH NATION,” | the pre-Islamic Arabs) DEUTERONOMY 32:21

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

probably just lined it up with the same stars in the direction of mecca..not a big deal really

the mindblowing "evidence" is thus

Some bloke said God told him how to do it- and that is his proof, nothing else can be considered because this is what some bloke supposedly said.............

Originally posted by iIuminaIi
The Bottom Line Prophecy

ARABS AND ARABIA: In the Christian Bible.

(a) The burden upon Arabia” ISAIAH 21:13. “Burden” = responsibility. God has imposed upon the Muslims, the duty to deliver His Message to mankind. ISAIAH mentions this after having seen the vision of a chariot of asses and a chariot of camels (ISAIAH 21:7) The chariot of asses turned out to be Jesus (PBUH) who entered Jerusalem riding on two donkeys (Matthew 21:7) Who then was of the “Chariot of Camels”?

It could be none other than Muhummed (PBUH) who came about six hundred years after the advent of Jesus Christ (PBUH). If this conclusion is not accepted, then this prophecy would still remain unfulfilled.


(b) ” . . the villages that Kedar doth inhabit ISAIAH 42:11 Kedar being Ishmael’s offspring. “Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar. . .” EZEKIEL 27:21


The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia quotes the following from A.S. Fulton:

. . . Of the Ishmaelite tribes, Kedar must have been the most important and thus in later times the name came to be applied to all the wild tribes of the desert. It is though Kedar (Arab Keidar) that Muslim genealogists trace the descent of Muhammad from Ishmael.”


(c) “. . . he (Muhummed pbuh) shined forth from mount Paran (in Arabia), and he came with ten thousand saints. DEUTERONOMY 33:2. (Referring to the conquest of Makkah).


(d) ” . . and I (God Almighty) will move them (the Jews) to jealousy with those (the Arabs) which are NOT A PEOPLE (a non-entity): I will provoke them (the Jews) to anger with a FOOLISH NATION,” | the pre-Islamic Arabs) DEUTERONOMY 32:21

edit on 28-5-2012 by iIuminaIi because: (no reason given)

First off WOW,
The way you just misquoted scripture is remarkable.
a) That prophecy is about the FALL of those tribes because they would be confronted with war within a year, which they did. Part 2 of your b where you misquoted Matthew 21:7, is Jesus' entry into the town on the donkey (palm sunday)... and Chariot of Camels, HUH!?!
b) I don't understand what you're trying to prove with your point b :S That chapter of Ezekiel is about the lament of Tyre, the mention of Kedar is only for the purpose of telling how they traded with them...
c)You do realize Deuteronomy was written over 2000 years ago by Moses right? how can it be talking about the conquest of makkah (which is in the 6th century), when Deuteronomy 33 is all about Israels blessing?
d)I also don't see your reasoning for providing this passage because that's the Song of Moses..

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In Plain Sight...............For noobs

BIBLE PROPHECIES ABOUT THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD

Abraham is widely regarded as the Patriarch of monotheism and the common father of the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Through His second son, Isaac, came all Israelite prophets including such towering figures as Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus. May peace and blessings be upon them all. The advent of these great prophets was in partial fulfillment of God's promises to bless the nations of earth through the descendents of Abraham (Genesis12:2-3).Such fulfillment is wholeheartedly accepted by Muslims whose faith considers the belief in and respect of all prophets an article of faith.

BLESSINGS OF ISHMAEL AND ISAAC

Was the first born son of Abraham (Ishmael) and his descendants included in God's covenant and promise? A few verses from the Bible may help shed some light on this question;

1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God's promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.

2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God's promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.

3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become "a great nation" especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.

4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a "free" woman such as Sarah, Isaac's mother, or a "Bondwoman" such as Hagar, Ishmael's mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.

5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham's son and "seed" and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham's wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God's promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600 years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God's blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham's family tree was now fullfilled. But are there additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad?

MUHAMMAD: The Prophet Like Unto Moses

Long time after Abraham, God's promise to send the long-awaited Messenger was repeated this time in Moses' words.
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses spoke of the prophet to be sent by God who is:

1) From among the Israelite's "brethren", a reference to their Ishmaelite cousins as Ishmael was the other son of Abraham who was explicitly promised to become a "great nation".

2) A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).

Continued below..................

Continued............

THE AWAITED PROPHET WAS TO COME FROM ARABIA

Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).

Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.

Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.

MUHAMMAD'S MIGRATION FROM MECCA TO MEDINA : PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE ?

Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God's help) coming from Te'man (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran.That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad.

Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. That section foretold as well about the battle of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithful miraculously defeated the "mighty" men of Ke'dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned -to Islam.

THE QUR'AN (KORAN) FORETOLD IN THE BIBLE?

For twenty-three years, God's words (the Qur'an) were truely put into Muhammad's mouth. He was not the "author" of the Qur'an. The Qur'an was dictated to him by Angel Gabriel who asked Muhammad to simply repeat the words of the Qur'an as he heard them. These words were then committed to memory and to writing by those who hear them during Muhammad's life time and under his supervision.

Was it a coincidence that the prophet "like unto Moses" from the "brethren" of the Israelites (i.e. from the lshmaelites) was also described as one in whose mouth God will put his words and that he will speak in the name of God, (Deuteronomy 18:18-20). Was it also a coincidence the "Paraclete" that Jesus foretold to come after Him was described as one who "shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak (John 16:13)

Was it another coincidence that Isaiah ties between the messenger connected with Ke'dar and a new song (a scripture in a new language) to be sang unto the Lord (Isaiah 42:10-11). More explicitly, prophesies Isaiah "For with stammering lips, and another tongue, will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). This latter verse correctly describes the "stammering lips" of Prophet Muhammad reflecting the state of tension and concentration he went through at the time of revelation. Another related point is that the Qur'an was revealed in piece-meals over a span of twenty three years. It is interesting to compare this with Isaiah 28:10 whichspeaks of the same thing.

It is all so simple to dont confused
Jesus is the Christ son of God
Allah has 99 names
Jesus is telling Muslims in his own words “I am your God”
Repeatedly, but they have Satin the puppet master pulling the strings.

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OP,

1- The source of your story is a book called "Mojam Al-Tabarani Al-Awsat". It's not Quran, not even a Hadith. It's a third rank that's called "Rewaya". Now, so what if the find is interesting?Well, I have a few things to say about that:

The way you put the story was (maybe not intentionally) a little bit misleading. God didn't exactly order Mohammed to build the mosque. Mohammed ordered a guy called [Wabr Ibnu Hannas Al-Khuzaey] to go to Sanaa and build that mosque and tell people about Islam. Now, the prophet, not God, didn't ask that guy to build the mosque to point in the direction of the peak of the mountain as you mentioned. He asked him to build the mosque, and I am literally translating "to the right of a mountain that's called Dein". It didn't mention anything about peaks. I am a fluent Arabic speaker, and the word peak is not there. So, "the right of Dein mountain" is a huge area where the mosque could be, that of course, if the mosque was actually really to the right of the mountain. According to Google Earth, it's nowhere to its right, it's way way way south, which raises doubts about the accuracy of the account and its link to real life.

Now let's assume that I am wrong about that and check the claimed miraculous divine accuracy. Please, allow me to raise my expectations to God level since we're talking miracles here. I have a problem with those pictures:





The red line is line connecting to Qabba, Meccah. The yellow line is the line that's parallel to the sides of the mosque and perpendicular to its front side, which I can safely assume is how the mosque is 'facing'. I believe the yellow line represents which direction the mosque faces. And since we're using Google Earth, numbers, Geometry, and Math to test a miracle, then, I don't think I am being over analytical. The yellow line is not facing Meccah. This is where is ends (scroll to the right):



So, the miracle is off by 128 Kilometers. I would say it's a miracle if the error was up to 5 Kilometers. But, 128 just really sounds like they knew the whereabouts of the Kabbah. After all, when they wanted to get back to Mekkah, they did. So, they know, to a certain degree, how to face it.

2- Even if the account mentions anything about a tip, how small is the tip? Is it so small that it lies exactly (or at least almost exactly) on the line connecting the mosque with the Qaba? Or is it a big area? Well, it is so big, and not even pointy enough to determine where our point is, that the chance the line connecting from A to B will aomost most definitely cross that tip. So, you have a large area between point A and B that hosts a huge number points that all work to validate your miracle.

3- (Offtopic), I have seen enough errors in the Quran that even if you could come up with a miracle from it, I would choose to believe that he got contacted by aliens, seers, shamans, druids, time travelers, magicians, anything. It's so full of errors that even if it had miracles, I would attribute it to another higher power than God.

My claim that Islam sees Jesus as the messiah is from the Koran itself. (read above)
Where are you getting your information from? Pastor Terry Jones?

Hi,

I don't know as much as I should about the Quran. How do Muslims define 'Messiah'?

Thanks,

Eric

The easiest way to establish a line in those days, for people who did not have sophisticated tools is...

Fire. Light 3 big fires and make them nice and big wih black smoke and then you line up the points and naturally, it might not be completely straight but it's better than what you started with, which is nothing.

I see no deity in that.

Originally posted by DumbTopSecretWriters
Misconception: The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile

While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used today to determine the age of marriage in many parts of the world. This was part of the norm and is not something that Islam invented. The girl he got married to had reached puberty 3 years before marriage.

Are you saying that the girl had entered puberty at age 6? Is there any proof of that anywhere?

And are you also saying that pedophilia is subjective, depending on the society?

Eric

reply to post by iIuminaIi

Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.

Nope. You got this totally wrong. By the time Muhammad was born christianity and judaism had already grown and reached Kedar. The "Law that could not Fail till God sets judgement on the earth" is the second covenant with Christ. Isaiah 42 says nothing about it being a decendant of Kedar that is your own opinion being inserted in your desire to vindicate Muhammad from being a false prophet. You are injecting more than what is there into the old testament.

We already know the Quran proves Muhammad a liar by the very pages in it's own book:

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MOHAMMAD FAILED THE TEST OF PROPHET HOOD, if muhammad's allah was true, it would have informed him about the poisoned goat, which later led to his death.
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Ibn Sa'd page 249: Verily a Jewish woman presented poisoned (meat of) a she goat to the apostle of Allah. He took a piece form it, put it into his mouth, chewed it and threw it away. Then he said to the Companions: "Halt! Verily, its leg tells me that it is poisoned." Then he sent for the Jewish woman and asked her; "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "I wanted to know if you are true; in that case Allah will surely inform you, and if you are a liar I shall relieve the people of you."

**PROPHET HOOD FAILED**: The question here is weather allah told muhammad that the goat is poisoned or not? CLEARLY NOT, as he had to put it in his mouth. Quran says "if you are true; in that case Allah will surely inform you" [muhammad would not eat the goat and he would not die] but because allah NEVER informed him, and muhammad was a liar he ate it and he died, just as the verse says "if you are a liar I shall relieve the people of you."

After all this even if Muhammad knew that it was poisoned, and he still put it (goat) in his mouth, he committed suicide.
And if he came to know after chewing it, its nothing special as anybody would know after they chewed it, no need for special powers.

Muhammad was called a liar
Muhammad informed Umar [the second Caliph], and he called the Prophet a liar. Ishaq:567.

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Mohammad being a false prophet did not perform any miracle.
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The Qur'an very clearly says of Muhammad that he performed no signs. In Surah 6.37, when Muhammad's adversaries say "Why has no sign been sent down to him from his Lord?", Muhammad is bidden to reply merely that God could send one if he wanted to but had not done so.

In the same Surah we read that Muhammad said, "I have not that for which you are impatient" (Surah 6.57), meaning signs and wonders such as Moses had. He goes on to say that if he had had them, the dispute between him and them would have been decided long ago.

Jeremiah 31: 31-34 (this section is speaking about the new spiritual Israel and his new covenant with them that can't fail)

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

And this covenant shall never fail because once established he will remember their sin and iniquity no more. Do you know what happens when you accept the second covenant of Christ? No one says to you "know the Lord".

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Off to the skunk works, this one disproves Muhammed -Islam

Google Earth disproves Muhammad-Islam

remember the Almo

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Again........... for noobs

THAT PROPHET- PARACLETE- MUHAMMAD

Up to the time of Jesus (peace be upon him), the Israelites were still awaiting for that prophet like unto Moses prophecied in Deuteronomy 18:18. When John the Baptist came, they asked him if he was Christ and he said "no". They asked him if he was Elias and he said "no". Then, in apparent reference to Deuteronomy 18:18, they asked him "Art thou that Prophet" and he answered, "no". (John 1: 1 9-2 1).

In the Gospel according to John (Chapters 14, 15, 16) Jesus spoke of the "Paraclete" or comforter who will come after him, who will be sent by Father as another Paraclete, who will teach new things which the contemporaries of Jesus could not bear. While the Paraclete is described as the spirit of truth, (whose meaning resemble Muhammad's famous title Al-Amin, the trustworthy), he is identified in one verse as the Holy Ghost (John 14:26). Such a designation is however inconsistent with the profile of that Paraclete. In the words of the Dictionary of the Bible, (Ed. J. Mackenzie) "These items, it must be admitted do not give an entirely coherent picture."

Indeed history tells us that many early Christians understood the Paraclete to be a man and not a spirit. This might explain the followings who responded to some who claimed, without meeting the criteria stipulated by Jesus, to be the awaited "Paraciete".

It was Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was the Paraclete, Comforter, helper, admonisher sent by God after Jesus. He testified of Jesus, taught new things which could not be borne at Jesus' time, he spoke what he heard (revelation), he dwells with the believers (through his well-preserved teachings). Such teachings will remain forever because he was the last messenger of God, the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God and on the path of PRESERVED truth. He told of many things to come which "came to pass" in the minutest detail meeting, the criterion given by Moses to distinguish between the true prophet and the false prophets (Deuteronomy 18:22). He did reprove the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgement (John 16:8-11)

WAS THE SHIFT OF RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP PROPHECIED?

Following the rejection of the last Israelite prophet, Jesus, it was about time that God's promise to make Ishmael a great nation be fulfilled (Genesis 21:13, 18)

In Matthew 21:19-21, Jesus spoke of the fruitless fig tree (A Biblical symbol of prophetic heritage) to be cleared after being given a last chance of three years (the duration of Jesus' ministry) to give fruit. In a later verse in the same chapter, Jesus said: "Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof" (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael's descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophecied by Jesus: "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder" (Matthew 21:44).

OUT OF CONTEXT COINCIDENCE?

Is it possible that the numerous prophecies cited here are all individually and combined out of context misinterpretations? Is the opposite true, that such infrequently studied verses fit together consistently and clearly point to the advent of the man who changed the course of human history, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Is it reasonable to conclude that all these prophecies, appearing in different books of the Bible and spoken by various prophets at different times were all coincidence? If this is so here is another strange "coincidence"!

One of the signs of the prophet to come from Paran (Mecca) is that he will come with "ten thousands of saints" (Deuteronomy 33:2 KJV). That was the number of faithful who accompanied Prophet Muhammad to Paran (Mecca) in his victorious, bloodless return to his birthplace to destroy the remaining symbols of idolatry in the Ka'bah.

Says God as quoted by Moses:
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:19)


Jesus said the Spirit of Truth (Muhammad) would come




Passion of the Christ, mentions about Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as Mentioned in the Bible !

I find it interesting.....

And this proves my theory in my mind, that there is a war against Christains........

If this title said "google earth proves Christianity/Christ" It would have gotten barely any flags or stars....

And the OP would have been torn apart by the anti-religious crowd.......


IInstead, I watch the other religion, who in parts of the world all over, is infested with suicide bombers, and thousands of families of mothers who urge their sons into martyrdom to die for it, flagged and starred like there is no tomorrow........

People have lost their minds

The magic flying white pony of Mohammed’s was off by a few degrees
He should have stuck with the standard flying carpet.
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