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reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 09:45 PM by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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but I think his wife was the source of the wisdom that accomplished that feat.


But his wife was not a prophet, plus where did she get the information from


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 09:47 PM by charles1952
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You and ATS have given me another topic I know absolutely nothing about. So, as a starting point, I used wikipedia, as you did. Here are some of the things I found.
Great Mosque of Sana'a is an ancient mosque in Sana'a, Yemen, just east of the old Ghumdan Palace. It dates to the 7th century and was reportedly built in part from the materials of the initial Ghumdan palace which was destroyed by Caliph Uthman because he feared it could be used as a stronghold for a rebellion.

en.wikipedia.org...
OK, so if Uthman destroyed the Ghumdan palace to get the material, when did he do it? Again from wikipedia, en.wikipedia.org...
Muhammad died in 632. He was followed by Abu Bakr who ruled from 632-634. Then there was Caliph Umar from 634-644. Uthman was chosen as Caliph in November of 644. So if Caliph Uthman destroyed the Ghumdan palace, it couldn't have been before 645. Thus the materials weren't obtained until 645, making it impossible for Muhammad to build the mosque.

It may very well be that wikipedia is wrong, but I would like to see an explanation of how this could have happened.

With respect,
Charles1952



reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 09:47 PM by Danbones
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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post by Danbones





but I think his wife was the source of the wisdom that accomplished that feat.


But his wife was not a prophet, plus where did she get the information from


black and decker DIY home improvement encyclopeadia I"ll wager...


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 09:51 PM by Danbones
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hope this helps:
from knowallopeadia
The palace was destroyed by Caliph Uthman, or even earlier, by the Abyssinian conqueror Abrahah Al-Hubashi. Restored several times, the palace history is rich in legends and tales. It is mentioned in many pieces of Arabic poetry, the poets singing about its beauty.[4]Ghumdan Palace tower, a 20-storey high rise building, is believed by some to have been the world's earliest skyscraper.[5]

en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 09:59 PM by charles1952
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I'm less than impressed with the ability of Muslims to line up their mosques with Mecca. From The Telegraph
Muslim worshippers at about 200 old mosques in Mecca have been praying in the wrong direction for decades because the mosques were not built correctly, a Saudi newspaper has reported.

The discrepancy was only realised after looking at the old mosques, some built more than 50 years ago, from atop the new skyscrapers being constructed in Islam's holiest city in western Saudi Arabia, the report said.

Mosque errors
Two hundred mosques, right in the city of Mecca, are not aligned properly. Is this proof that Islam is wrong? It certainly weakens the case for God's intervention.


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 10:10 PM by charles1952
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Dear Danbones,

Thank you very much. Unfortunately it doesn't clear up my troubles. Remember my quote?
Great Mosque of Sana'a is an ancient mosque in Sana'a, Yemen, just east of the old Ghumdan Palace. It dates to the 7th century and was reportedly built in part from the materials of the initial Ghumdan palace which was destroyed by Caliph Uthman because he feared it could be used as a stronghold for a rebellion.
I don't see how we can avoid (if this quote is accurate) the idea that Uthman at least messed up the Ghumdan palace site and some of the stuff he messed up was used in making the mosque. I still can't see how someone can claim that Muhammad built the Mosque, then 13 years later Uthman took material from the Ghumdan site to build the mosque that Muhammad had already built. If the mosque had been built by Muhammad, why bring Uthman into it? It doesn't make sense to me yet.

With respect,
Charles1952


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 10:15 PM by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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No it as a matter of fact strengthens my case. When were these mosques built and by whom? Did muhammad build them or someone else?


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 10:28 PM by Danbones
Originally posted by charles1952
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post by Danbones


Dear Danbones,

Thank you very much. Unfortunately it doesn't clear up my troubles. Remember my quote?
Great Mosque of Sana'a is an ancient mosque in Sana'a, Yemen, just east of the old Ghumdan Palace. It dates to the 7th century and was reportedly built in part from the materials of the initial Ghumdan palace which was destroyed by Caliph Uthman because he feared it could be used as a stronghold for a rebellion.
I don't see how we can avoid (if this quote is accurate) the idea that Uthman at least messed up the Ghumdan palace site and some of the stuff he messed up was used in making the mosque. I still can't see how someone can claim that Muhammad built the Mosque, then 13 years later Uthman took material from the Ghumdan site to build the mosque that Muhammad had already built. If the mosque had been built by Muhammad, why bring Uthman into it? It doesn't make sense to me yet.

With respect,
Charles1952






or even earlier, by the Abyssinian conqueror Abrahah Al-Hubashi.

from my above post and quote
I would have thought that might have explained your delimma


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 11:11 PM by rabzdguy
reply to post by lostinspace



Yes, muslims walk around the kabaa 7 times during hajj.


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 11:16 PM by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Does Islam hold any high regard for the number seven?


Yes they do indeed:

The Seven Heavens in Islam

Seven layers of hell

The seven layers of the earth..etc


reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 11:42 PM by THE_PROFESSIONAL
For those of you who do not want to install Google earth you can easily do it here:

wvaughan.org...

Just double click on Yemen, and zoom into the mosque. The green line will always be pointing at Mecca:



This model is the most accurate, even more accurate than Google Earth, because it takes into account earths slight oblate shape based on the WGS-84 model. As you can see The green line passes through the peak of the Mountain.
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