Juveniles or little monsters?

Seen this story and thought, "What is up with kids nowadays?" No more comment as of this moment, except they don't need to be on the streets!

MILWAUKEE -- A group of boys was arrested Wednesday night, accused of harassing people near the corner of 28th and Fond Du Lac streets in Milwaukee.

Two 15-year-olds and a 14-year-old have been arrested out of what witnesses said was a group of at least 10 boys.

The boys allegedly pushed Gregory Neylon, 48, into the path of a bus, after allegedly kicking, punching and knocking Mary Parry, 48, to the ground.

Neylon is hospitalized in critical condition.

Parry called police from a nearby store, and was at the scene when the bus slammed into Neylon. She identified several of the group for the police.

"I got out of the car and stood right in his face, and I said, 'That's him,'" Parry said. "There's no time to back down and be fearful and scared."

It's not made up. Here's the link!

Yeah, swarmings are becoming more common every day. Sad. They do this and then hide behind their age. That this is allowed is also sad. An adult was attacked here in Canada about 5,6 years ago and he defended himself. Guess who got charged. Not the kids. Didn't hear anything after that. I'm hoping the charges were dropped.

I vote for little monsters. Arrest these little illegitimate social parasites, jail them with no bail, try them as adults and give them the highest penalites allowed by law, which should be death, because they are likely sociopathic with no hope of rehabilitation. Execution should be public with mandatory attendence of all kids of the ages of the perpetrators.

That should send a strong message.

It's all to do with the parents of these teenagers, they raise them up wrong, they let them play Grand Theft Auto all day, they smack them, they swear constantly when the teens were little, they smoked, they drank, and they could'nt give a toss about them when they were little.

Originally posted by Minime
It's all to do with the parents of these teenagers, they raise them up wrong, they let them play Grand Theft Auto all day, they smack them, they swear constantly when the teens were little, they smoked, they drank, and they could'nt give a toss about them when they were little.

Please, that is total BS. Pure conjecture. I have 3 kids, 9 to 14, they would NEVER disrespect anyone in this manner. Yes, my kids have their game systems but they're still good kids. So your GTA theory just doesn't fly.

Originally posted by intrepid


Please, that is total BS. Pure conjecture. I have 3 kids, 9 to 14, they would NEVER disrespect anyone in this manner. Yes, my kids have their game systems but they're still good kids. So your GTA theory just doesn't fly.

But I can see where he's getting that....no its not the sole reason...but combine it with bad parenting...the childs choice in friends...music...etc...it doesnt help...Generally it all goes back to bad parenting...

And by the way...GTA is one of the greatest games ever created...

Originally posted by Minime
It's all to do with the parents of these teenagers, they raise them up wrong, they let them play Grand Theft Auto all day, they smack them, they swear constantly when the teens were little, they smoked, they drank, and they could'nt give a toss about them when they were little.

Do you know if they have parents? Many delinquents, even with parents, do not live with them, so maybe its not they parents fault.
Its obviously an education problem, but if we don't know who educated them we cannot point anyone as responsible.

And yes, GTA is a great game.

I'm really at a loss to explain how children can get this way. I guess since I was raised in a loving environment that taught me to care for others I can never truely understand what drives these type of people. Seriously, what went wrong with them? Family? School? Friends? I used to believe that these incidents were rare and overblown by the media, but today's youth culture seems to have a massive problem that goes beyond just isolated incidents. I see children who will mouth off to anyone and think they can get away with it, and care little for others. Why? I just don't get it...

[edit on 2-10-2004 by Jazzerman]

Yes...I feel it has to do with raising them, but not smacking them, although mine a got their butts smacked for behavior that warranted it, but even that has to be in the proper manner....not beating a child, which projects a warped view and accomplishes nothing!...Parenting takes time and effort. You must talk to your children, respect has to be taught....children are taught to be respectful of others. They are taught right from wrong, and that there will be consequences to the actions they choose. Children also learn by example.....that ridiculous old "do as I say, not as I do" will not hold out! Sadly, many parents today set terrible examples for their children!

Originally posted by ArMaP


Do you know if they have parents? Many delinquents, even with parents, do not live with them, so maybe its not they parents fault.
Its obviously an education problem, but if we don't know who educated them we cannot point anyone as responsible.

And yes, GTA is a great game.

Ok...parents might have been to specific...but Parental supervision (or just guardian supervision in general) plays probably the most important part...kids need a responsible, trust worthy adult up their butts for years in order to keep the average child on the right track...they have to be taught...have bonds...etc....they need some kind of adult figure...

If I am correct, I think the point that Minime was trying to get across was that the way in which these children has been dragged up is the cause of the kind of behaviour we are regretably seeing all to ofter today.

I have to agree with this position. I live in a rather unpleasent area, only the other night we were woken by the police helicopter overhead looking for a murderer. Everywhere you look there are teenagers, and some even younger, treating people and property with utter disrespect.

Only the other day I went out to stop a group of kids throwing stones at next doors house when the mother was out,(sometimes unfortunately she leaves her young daughters alone in the house).

It ended up, after much provocation, with me lifting one of the youths onto a car bonnet, as I sadly lost my temper.

I was actually walking away at the time, because I knew I was going to lose my temper, and he was following me shouting abuse. So I snapped.

All hell broke loose when I grabbed him, the thing that shook me the most though was the look on his face. He was terrified, God alone knows what he thought I was going to do.

I caught myself at this stage and let him go before going any further, (thankfully). The look on his face though was... surprising.

I don't doubt that when I was his age I too tried my luck. The difference was that I got many a good kicking for it, and I knew always that this was a great possibility. The look on his face at the time was one of shock that such a thing should happen. Obviously because he is used to acting in this manner and getting away with it, because his parents can't (or wont bother) dealing with him.

It is a sad truth that in this area many children are a mere inconveniance for the parents, and so it is inevitable that they will grow up with certain problems.

The most annoying thing about this whole episode was that the was actually a man looking after the girls in the house at the time, but he only cam out right at the end because he was intimidated by the group.

Jack

Edited to add that this is the reason that unless it is a member of my family in trouble, I will no longer be getting involved with any disturbances.

[edit on 2/10/04 by JAK]

The gangs of kids going around here are getting younger and younger, there not teenagers so much now but 9, 10 and up. Causing havoc where-ever they go as well, down the beach's or in the town.

Being abusive to the shop-keepers and the elderly as well, we had a pensioner fall over and was killed last week up the road from me. Sick and really sad when you think kids as young as that are hassling pensioner's and they die from it, he wasnt that old either, in his early 60's....

I think the article below says it all whilst leaving me speechless. How can anybody raise their kids to be "gangstas"??? The very moral fibre of our society is decaying in front of us and we are just looking on.

"MILWAUKEE -- An 11-year-old Milwaukee boy has been charged with sexually assaulting a 76-year-woman.

The boy was charged Wednesday in Milwaukee County Children's Court with second-degree felony sexual assault and being a party to burglary and criminal trespassing.

Three other boys, ages 11, 12 and 13, are accused of watching the crime and were each charged with being a party to burglary and criminal trespassing.

The woman told police she was taking a sponge bath in the kitchen Friday when the 11-year-old walked in and demanded money, according to juvenile delinquency petitions filed Wednesday.

She said he was among several boys who had repeatedly broken into her home over the last few days, taking small amounts of cash and other items. This time, the boy found no money in her purse and told her to take off her clothes and head to the bedroom so he could have sex, according to the petitions."

www.wsoctv.com...




[edit on 2-10-2004 by Mynaeris]

you know this didnt happen in the days when perents were resposible for their kids.

allso it seems kids got to much time on their hands, when I was growing up I had lots of chores to keep me buisy like helping around the house and chopping fire wood

I guess when your growing up with parents that have no clue to where you are because they are to buisy yanking to porno and playng infront of a cam on the net bad things are going to happen.

I just found this follow up article to this sexual attck on the old lady - this is so shocking that i can only hope that the kids and their parents are put into institutions.

"A disabled 76-year-old woman who lives on a limited income told police a group of juvenile boys broke into her home repeatedly, sexually assaulted her, ransacked her home and stole jewelry and other items, including $4 in cash, according to charges filed Wednesday."

"The woman said that she did not call police "because she was afraid they would take her to the Mental Health Complex, as they had done in the past."

When the woman was given an examination for sexual assault in mid-September, workers at Aurora Sinai Medical Center's women's assessment center told police the woman had suffered injuries as a result of the sexual assault, the petition says."

www.jsonline.com...

Life is all about balance.

That said, It's a result of parenting (or lackthereof) and natural behavior. Some kids are simply more violent than others, that's where they get their fire from. Their "let's go kick @$$" motivation comes from no parenting or bad parenting.

Sometimes, the best of parenting cannot curb things like temper, for example.

Thus, it's a mix of all things.

So anybody who says it's only one or the other, now that's BS!

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Minime
It's all to do with the parents of these teenagers, they raise them up wrong, they let them play Grand Theft Auto all day, they smack them, they swear constantly when the teens were little, they smoked, they drank, and they could'nt give a toss about them when they were little.

Please, that is total BS. Pure conjecture. I have 3 kids, 9 to 14, they would NEVER disrespect anyone in this manner. Yes, my kids have their game systems but they're still good kids. So your GTA theory just doesn't fly.

But most kids are influenced by mature video game's/movies when they watch them under the legal age. I did'nt say your kids are influenced by them.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Life is all about balance.

That said, It's a result of parenting (or lackthereof) and natural behavior. Some kids are simply more violent than others, that's where they get their fire from. Their "let's go kick @$$" motivation comes from no parenting or bad parenting.

Sometimes, the best of parenting cannot curb things like temper, for example.

Thus, it's a mix of all things.

So anybody who says it's only one or the other, now that's BS!

You have to be kidding me???? please say you are?

For 11 year olds to gang rape a 76 yr old invalid??? Psychosis really isn't a group sport. This is a definite product of the society they are growing up in. It's time that parents are prevented from abdicating responsibility for the actions of their children and stand up and take responsibility for their lack of parenting.

If your dog bites someone, should they sue the dog?

Originally posted by Mynaeris
I think the article below says it all whilst leaving me speechless. How can anybody raise their kids to be "gangstas"??? The very moral fibre of our society is decaying in front of us and we are just looking on.

"MILWAUKEE -- An 11-year-old Milwaukee boy has been charged with sexually assaulting a 76-year-woman.

MILWAUKEE -- A group of boys was arrested Wednesday night, accused of harassing people near the corner of 28th and Fond Du Lac streets in Milwaukee.

Isn't it ironic that both incidents are in the same city, within a month? Maybe we should ask the question, "What's going on in Milwaukee?" Nothing against Milwaukee, but why are the children and teens making national news for violent acts? The authorities in Milwaukee must be really pleased.

[edit on 2/10/04 by Intelearthling]