Nebula or Nibiru (May 28 2012)

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Planet X emits most of it's light in the IR spectrum, hence invisible to the naked eye unlike Elenin, and only able to be viewed with special IR filters, some say old floppy disks work.

Your eyes can't see IR regardless of what color film you look through. Modern digital cams have IR blocking filters on the lens or the CCD. Maybe the photographers here will correct me or explain in better detail.

reply to post by Human_Alien

I do believe it'll be here before I die though and...I'm 53. So, take that for what that's worth.

Then you probably shouldn't believe that is nibiru in the video. How fast do you think it can travel?

reply to post by DenyObfuscation


I have an old Sony handycam that films in IR. If the OP will tell me what they would liked filmed I would gladly do it.


This is directed at the OP and any other readers from here out.

I would also be willing to take a photo of NGC246 but my deep sky skills are a bit lacking. However this will prove nothing as I'm starting to feel like if I am not a believer in Nibiru I have a closed mind but I am thinking the opposite is true.

I would gladly track down, film, observe an object in the night sky that is not supposed to be there...but I have to tell you there are none! Someday there maybe one and all the wolf (Nibiru) criers will not believed. And then if I could find nothing I would be told I just am not special enough to see it?

Taking images and playing with them in photoshop or any other program does not prove the existence of Nibiru.

I actually believe in the possibility of many unseen objects in our solar system larger than Pluto possibly even the existence of Nemesis ( the suns so called companion). But I have too many friends who do astrophotography as a hobby to say that Scientists are lying.

And taking a known object A WELL KNOWN OBJECT and claiming it is Nibiru is just plain ludicrous.

But I think I need to give up on these threads, let them cry wolf till they find some other disaster porn to shout about...sure there is Nibiru and it is coming to blow up the planet, believe what you want! Nibiru should start its own religion at this point! Or stick your head in a hole and cower, if there truly was a inbound planet there is NOTHING anyone could do to stop it so why worry...

You can either in fear that you can trust no science or you get out there and actually show me some real proof or prove it to yourselves. Learn the night sky and be really surprised!

reply to post by abeverage

I have an old Sony handycam that films in IR.

Does that cam need IR film? From what I've read regular film isn't sensitive to IR but IR will distort natural color.

I'm trying to find out about PX's claim that people are snapping pics of nibiru near the Sun.

Unlike film, digital cameras are all sensitive to IR. This is unfortunate for regular photography since sensitivity to IR can makes colors look unnatural. Thus all digital cameras and camcorders have an internal filter deliberately to remove IR.

SOURCE

reply to post by DenyObfuscation


It shoots 8mm Hi8. I also have a Film camera that shoots IR film (expensive) and a Digital camera with all sorts of lenses. But then I will be told it is only viewable in the Southern Hemisphere or space...or whatever.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
You're trusting the very people who made and then demoted Pluto. as a planet.
So if they're having a hard time telling what Pluto was, due to its vast distance, why are you crediting them to know what's BEYOND Pluto?
I don't exactly know or understand who you're trusting.

I trust the people who base their conclusions, such as "demoting" Pluto, based on the best available information, even if that means correcting earlier conceptions.

I do not trust the people who have little idea what they are talking about, do not base their conclusions on the best available information but that information which best fits the conclusion they want to make, and never admit to mistakes but instead equivocate or attempt to explain them away.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Anyway, yes, if the best minds in the astronomical world can't make up their minds as to whether Pluto is a Planet or a Planetoid - I don't think we should have much confidence in what they know or don't know.

And you are completely misrepresenting the "Pluto-debate," either purposefully or through ignorance. Even saying "the same people" is a stretch, as those involved in declaring Pluto a planet (then based on the best available evidence) are not the same people who decided it better represented a dwarf planet (who themselves drew their conclusions on the best available evidence).

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Jeez, it was only 20 years ago they thought asteroids and comets posed no threat to earth until they saw the devestating impact comet Shoemaker-Levy had on Jupiter.

And 40 years ago scientists were scratching their heads as to what happened 65 million years ago to the dinosaurs

Again, we see your ignorance of science at play.

The impact theory of dinosaur extinction was first proposed in 1980, blowing apart your ludicrous claim that scientists did not think asteroids posed a threat to Earth until after Shoemaker-Levy 7.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
and 60 years ago few geologists accepted plate tectonics.

And your point being what? Simply because scientists may have been wrong about something in the past does not lend any weight whatsoever to Planet X theories.

I know you are attempting to show the weaknesses of science, but what you are instead doing is showing the strength of science versus the weakness of the various pseudosciences.

Science will admit when it is wrong, science makes corrections, discarding incorrect ideas what are not supported by the best available evidence. Pseudoscience, in this case Nibiru believers, will do no such thing. Shown to be wrong, they will not admit it. They are, they believe, never wrong. Come January, 2013, they will continue to insist they are not actually wrong, but employ some special pleading that some made-up events and circumstances (you see this now in the "Planet X can only be seen in IR" or "it's behind the Sun" or "it's below the equator" claims -- claims made with absolutely no evidence) make it appear they are wrong and that the failed manifestation actually proves them right. There are no mistakes, there is no falsification; everything proves them right.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Ya know what? I think they're scared. Scared of the implications and possible ramifications this might have to our history.

Or, you know, basing our conclusions on actual science.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
This 'idea' of a tenth planet is a given now. It's not a myth. It's not a conspiracy. It's not an alien wish-list item. It's real. What else needs to be done?

A tenth planet is a far-cry from the mythical (and impossible) Nibiru.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
And I was watching their video (78?) the other night when it got pulled off YouTube. Which just adds to the mystery. Why anyone would want to pull down a 'tin-foil hat wearing' video, is beyond me.

But thanks

And yet, there it is, up, despite claims from the video's author that it was taken down without explanation. And yet, the supposed conspiracy has allowed it up for six days since it was posted again on May 21.

Someone is lying to you and you're falling for it.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I am sick and tired of not knowing what or who to trust when it comes to 'showing us the light' when it comes to Nibiru.

I don't think it would be these guys

Don Adams /Donny Gillson
have been caught out faking pictures
astroblogger.blogspot.com...
What Can We Learn from the Fake HMO Image Incident?
astroblogger.blogspot.com...
In Which I (Fail to) Discover Nibiru: Or Fakery is Flattery

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by PluPerfect

 

There is something out there. MSM is reporting that now.
Why is it out of the question that that MIGHT be Nibiru?

Umm, come again. Show me where the MSM is reporting there is something out there please.

reply to post by Human_Alien


If that is what you think is Nibiru or Planet X .... I can't help you because you choose to ignore scientific fact.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Umm, come again. Show me where the MSM is reporting there is something out there please.

I think he may be referring to this...which other than the superficial similarity of being beyond Pluto, bears no resemblance to Nibiru whatsoever.

reply to post by WingedBull


Hence my next post saying he is out of his mind if he is saying that is planet x or Nibiru.

It's a gas giant, and is not on an orbit that could ever make it Nibiru. It also couldnt be planet x, for reasons that are easy for anyone with half a brain to figure out. You know what, I'm in a generous mood .. one minute ...

Meanwhile, the spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11 and Voyagers 1 and 2 had travelled outside the solar system, and could also be used as "probes" for unknown gravitational forces possibly from unknown planets -- nothing has been found. The Voyagers also yielded more accurate masses for the outer planets -- when these updated masses were inserted in the numerical integrations of the solar system, the residuals in the positions of the outer planets finally disappeared. It seems like the search for "Planet X" finally has come to an end. There was no "Planet X" (Pluto doesn't really count), but instead an asteroid belt outside Neptune/Pluto was found!

nineplanets.org...

In short planet x was hypothesized to exist to explain perturbations observed. They have now been explained by the asteroid belt.

Originally posted by quedup

What really gets me thinking is - when those satellites were falling to earth not so long back - they couldn't tell us when or where they would land yet they expect us to trust them on this?????

This kind of comment really annoys me. Even here on ATS there have been threads about every single satellite falling to earth with the approximate crash site described. What we had was specualtion and doom mongering about nuclear contents and cities being destroyed!

I wonder how long it will take somebody else to quote your statement as "Proof MSM hides information about crashing satellites".

Just clarify : every single satellite falling to earth has its tragetory mapped and approximate crash site described. It can't be exact due to the random nature of what happens during re-entry and burn. But they do know the path around the earth just not quite how far along the path.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by PluPerfect

 

What do you mean 'do the research'??? Do you think we all just dreamed this one afternoon and it subconsciously went viral?

C'mon. You can do better than that.

There is something out there. MSM is reporting that now.
Why is it out of the question that that MIGHT be Nibiru?

Because Nibiri is a work of fiction invented by Sitchin. How many times has this been stated on ATS?

You're trusting the very people who made and then demoted Pluto. as a planet.

Deep sigh : they re-classified Pluto because there are Kuiper belts objects larger than freaking Pluto. It is quite clear that our solar system consists of a whole host of extra orbiting objects of varying sizes. So they came up with a method of classifying everything and lo and behold Pluto is too small to be a "planet". Now some people got all agitated, looked up how to spell conspiracy, and started spewing forth a myriad nonsensical explanations why this was done except one : the REAL one.

Try this : there are things orbiting the sun that lie between mars and jupiter. Now if it orbits the sun surely it is a planet? Or maybe just maybe it has to be certain size? Otherwise we end up with thousands of planets no larger than a city!

So if they're having a hard time telling what Pluto was, due to its vast distance, why are you crediting them to know what's BEYOND Pluto?

It's called science. Unless you are one of these people who believes that "science" instantly knows 100% and there is no such thing as further discoveries and expanding knowledge........of course that nonsensical belief would require science to have the ultimate telescope NOW, the ultimate microscope NOW, the ultimate particle accelerator NOW etc etc .........severe shake of head inserted just here.

I don't exactly know or understand who you're trusting.

Thanks for sharing your opinion though

I trust science to keep discovering and having the guts to overturn some previously held beliefs. Now it does tend to do that but science (like ATS) has its "believers" who point blank refuse to accept they are wrong or have pursued a line of argument for years based on incomplete or flawed evidence.

It is ironic that is those who have the honestly to state "what we knew to date was incomplete, we now know better, we have changed our mind" are labelled conspirators, hiding the truth, illuminati, TPTB, NWO shills etc etc. A sad reflection on the ignorance of people who don't understand how science works.

reply to post by Human_Alien

There is something out there. MSM is reporting that now.
Why is it out of the question that that MIGHT be Nibiru?

The MSM is not reporting something out there. Every once in a while there is a report about some conjecture that something might be out there. That is very different from something being out there.

reply to post by Human_Alien

I trust the ancients who supposedly had no electricity, no car, no heat, no toilet and YET....knew 5000+ years in advance when Venus would transit the Sun.
Now THOSE are the 'scientists' I trust.

That is not true. Where did you get the idea that ancient astronomers knew about a Venus transit?

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Thanks OP, why is it posters advocating Planet X just use logic, but those debunking Planet X have resort to ad hominem attacks - insults, denigration, insinuations, derogatory statements etc.

This is about Nibiru and not Planet X. Planet X evidence was shown to be an error in the mass of Neptune in 1987. Second, Nibiru believers tend to believe in false or faked evidence, while debunkers as you call them rely on survey and gravity evidence.

Anyway, yes, if the best minds in the astronomical world can't make up their minds as to whether Pluto is a Planet or a Planetoid - I don't think we should have much confidence in what they know or don't know.

Look up the debate on Pluto. Learn why it has been reclassified.

Jeez, it was only 20 years ago they thought asteroids and comets posed no threat to earth until they saw the devestating impact comet Shoemaker-Levy had on Jupiter.

That's false. The devastation of impacts has been in popular fiction for decades. Look at the Moon. Anyone can see what an impact did on the Moon.

And 40 years ago scientists were scratching their heads as to what happened 65 million years ago to the dinosaurs, and 60 years ago few geologists accepted plate tectonics.

Misleading - probably not done on purpose. There were other extinction ideas before an asteroid impact was proposed by Alvarez. Plate tectonics was developed only after extensive mapping of the oceans was completed after WWII. About 69% of the planet was unknown until then.

Planet X emits most of it's light in the IR spectrum, hence invisible to the naked eye unlike Elenin, and only able to be viewed with special IR filters, some say old floppy disks work.

Objects emit light and objects reflect light. Elenin reflected light. Planets reflect light.

Planet X does not exist. Which of the other new planet proposals are you referring to?

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

There is something out there. MSM is reporting that now.
Why is it out of the question that that MIGHT be Nibiru?

The MSM is not reporting something out there. Every once in a while there is a report about some conjecture that something might be out there. That is very different from something being out there.

They wouldn't be conjecturing unless there was something to conjecture. It's not like they're conjecturing pink elephants soaring through space. They're 'conjecturing' about something very possible and extremely likely to be out there. I happen to think they happen to know too. But that's MY conjecturing.

A tenth (ninth) planet is not a conspiracy so not sure why many take on a rejection-able attitude.

By the way, I did NOT put this in the 2012 forum. It was moved without permission. I don't think there's any relationship with this object and the year.