Nebula or Nibiru (May 28 2012)

reply to post by eriktheawful

Pssssst. stereologist......The US Navy (and others) still teach us how to navigate by the stars using a sextant and star charts.

I know that. I wasn't clear enough to say without instruments. Thanks for pointing that out since it makes a big difference between ancient star navigation and modern navigation.

But they don't teach us how to make bone harpoons anymore.

Shameful what passes for military training these days.

I wanted to add that there are schools still teaching stone knapping methods to help archaeologists understand the stone tools they encounter.

reply to post by PluPerfect

Even though every true scholar of the Maya, and their culture.....and every true scholar of the ancient Sumerians do NOT support Sitchen,

Ah yes the infamous scholars tell me again why you think there side is always right? scholars always seem to be end be working with the government.

every true scholar of the ancient Sumerians do NOT support Sitchen, and his ridiculous interpretations?

Just like those ridiculous interpretations of nostradamus? since nostradamus spoke in the ancient french language which we could still to this day cant even translate it yet.

Why has all of the nostradamus interpretations been proven false?

Really Saddam the anti Christ?


In my belief scholars have been proven wrong in the past before. And sometimes i believe our own history is pretty much false.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


"Nostradamus"??

Did he "predict" Nibiru too?

Sorry, but......the people who 'believe' in this fiction need to form a consensus. And, they need to select a firm "date" for the "arrival".

So, what is it?

Many point to the writings (or, should I say, "rantings"?) of Zechariah Sitchen, and then somehow blend in the hysteria over the Maya, and their "calendar", and thus....badda-bing! Badda-Boom!! December, 2012!!

Yet, others who follow Sitchen (for gawd-only-knows what reason!) realize that in other writings (rantings) he proclaims that his fictional "Nibiru" will not interact with the Earth until sometime in 2900 AD...

SO...which is it??

Please, regale the ATS audience with your 'opinion'.....

....OH, and in January, 2013.....do please come on back now, ya'hear?

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

Ah yes the infamous scholars tell me again why you think there side is always right? scholars always seem to be end be working with the government.

Many scholars do not work for the government. There are scholars from many countries. Their work is openly published. Not all of them agree with each other. There are many different thoughts on subjects. One idea they are sure of though is that Sitchin is wrong.

In my belief scholars have been proven wrong in the past before. And sometimes i believe our own history is pretty much false.

Of course that happens. Scholars test and retest ideas double checking their work and looking for things they overlooked. The publish. That puts their ideas into theopen arena for testing. They change when they find that their line of research is wrong.

Sitchin is clearly wrong. His translations and interpretations are ridiculous. His claim of regular catastrophes on Earth is ridiculous. The properties he assigned to Nibiru are impossible.

Of course none of that matters to the close minded individuals that shun the evidence.

Originally posted by stereologist
Many scholars do not work for the government. There are scholars from many countries. Their work is openly published. Not all of them agree with each other. There are many different thoughts on subjects. One idea they are sure of though is that Sitchin is wrong.

Where do scholars get their funding from or where do the institutions that hire them get their funding from? The government or big business. The stories are legion of those scholars who lost funding by going against the dogma//dictates of the government.

The US Naval astronomer Robert Harrington thought Sitchin was correct.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Harrington did not agree with Sitchin. What Harrington was looking for was Lowell's Planet X. This is completely different from Nibiru. However that hasn't stopped Sitchin's followers from trying to claim that Harrington's work is proof of Nibiru.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Read again:

The US Naval astronomer Robert Harrington thought Sitchin was correct.

Here:

en.wikipedia.org...

Harrington became a believer in the existence of a Planet X beyond Pluto and undertook searches for it, with positive results coming from the IRAD probe in 1983. Harrington collaborated initially with T. C. (Tom) Van Flandern. They were both "courted" by Zecharia Sitchin and his followers who believe in a planet Nibiru or Marduk, who cite the research of Harrington and van Flandern as possible collaborating evidence, though no definitive proof of a 10th planet has surfaced to date.

Nice try.....

....at obfuscating the facts.

Confusion about the term "Planet X" (attributed to Percival Lowell) and the fictional creation "Nibiru" abound......

Originally posted by switching yard
There is film of a meeting of top freemasons and one looks just like Sitchen. He covers his face when he realizes the camera is on him.

Do you happen to have a link to this video? Is it on YouTube?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it.

Originally posted by stereologist

I believe that the site was published by Flandern and seems to be in limbo since it reports 3 year old news. Fladern was known for some unorthodox ideas including the idea of limitless free energy. He also thought that the face on Mars was not natural.

It is known that he is a Yale educated PhD in astronomy, as opposed to your unknown credentials.

He died due to a swift onset of cancer, just like his friend Dr. Robert Harrington, who some suspect was given cancer by the CIA to shut him up about Planet X.

Many people think the face on Mars is not natural.

www.youtube.com...

Yes, of course I know NASA has debunked it, what would you expect them to do? But they also admitted Mars had water - about 20 years after they knew it - so how can they be trusted?

It is funny how over the past thirty years most images have become much higer resolution, but the Mars face images, today, are even lower resolution than the original pictures. Hiding something much?

You can believe the NASA "knowledge management specialists" if you choose to, but there is overwhelming evidence they have been lying to us for years, such as the FACT it took decades to release to the public they had discovered water on Mars.

When the public learns soon the extent of NASA's lies, they will become one of the first targets, as well as those who aided in the coverup. All those aiding in the coverup can make the choice today to come clean or suffer the consequences later.

And Stereologist, I came across a great quote the reminded me of you:

"In times of change learners inherit the Earth while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists"

Originally posted by PluPerfect

Confusion about the term "Planet X" (attributed to Percival Lowell) and the fictional creation "Nibiru" abound......

Do you know what Nibiru means in ancient Summerian, where the word comes from?

It means planet of the crossing.

Many people believe in this planet, though there are many names for it, they are all referring to a planet written about in many ancient texts which is said to "cross" earth's orbit every 3600 years or so, causing mass upheavals on earth. Some of the names include Planet X, Nibiru, Wormwood, Marduk etc etc. All the ancient religions, tribes, such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mayans, Summerians, Aztecs, Hopi's all refer to the SAME THING.

Does that clear up your confusion about who's obfuscating?

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Do you know what Nibiru means in ancient Summerian, where the word comes from?

Is it always summer in Summeria?

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Do you know what Nibiru means in ancient Summerian, where the word comes from?

Is it always summer in Summeria?

Ya, and the breaks are gnarly dude!

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Do you know what Nibiru means in ancient Summerian, where the word comes from?

Is it always summer in Summeria?

Ya, and the breaks are gnarly dude!

I'm there dude!

I wonder if this Nibiru place has some tasty waves?

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


The word nibiru is not Sumerian in origin. It is Akkadian and had nothing to do with astronomy. It wasn't until the Babylonians that it took on an astronomical meaning. The only time when it had to do with planets is when a planet was at the highest point of the ecliptic. This was generally the case with Jupiter and Mercury. Speaking of Jupiter and the Babylonians, Marduk was their name for Jupiter. Planet X was a term created by Percival Lowell for a trans-Neptunian object that caused perturbations in the orbits of the gas giants. These perturbations did not actually exist meaning the need for Planet X disappeared. As for thos ancient cultures you mentioned, none of them refer to a "12th planet."

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


LOL!!!

LOL!!!!

Do you know what Nibiru means in ancient Summerian, where the word comes from?

It means planet of the crossing.

LOL!!!

The question is....do YOU understand what that "means"??

LOL!!!!

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Where do scholars get their funding from or where do the institutions that hire them get their funding from? The government or big business. The stories are legion of those scholars who lost funding by going against the dogma//dictates of the government.

The US Naval astronomer Robert Harrington thought Sitchin was correct.

Scholars often get their funding from private sources. Your claim is the sort of hogwash constructed by fringe authors that are selling rubbish. "Stories are legion?" You're kidding, aren't you?

Harrington thought that there was evidence for Planet X. His search was before the 1987 flyby of Neptune. He didn't think Sitchin ws right. Harrington was smarter than that.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

It is known that he is a Yale educated PhD in astronomy, as opposed to your unknown credentials.

Your argument is a straw man argument involving an appeal to authority. We already know that Flandern had some odd, non-mainstream ideas. He thought gravity might propagate superluminally. He thought the face on Mars was real. Do you dispute that?

He died due to a swift onset of cancer, just like his friend Dr. Robert Harrington, who some suspect was given cancer by the CIA to shut him up about Planet X.

That is how you shut someone up you give them a disease that kills in weeks, months, or years. I have heard this stupid claim before. Some things are silly. That is really stupid.

Many people think the face on Mars is not natural.

There are even people that think Nibiru is real. Hard to believe isn't it?

Yes, of course I know NASA has debunked it, what would you expect them to do? But they also admitted Mars had water - about 20 years after they knew it - so how can they be trusted?

Another dubious statement. Water appears everywhere in the solar system. Why not on Mars? You've got things messed up again I suspect.

It is funny how over the past thirty years most images have become much higer resolution, but the Mars face images, today, are even lower resolution than the original pictures. Hiding something much?

Clearly you have no idea what you are saying since it is the higher resolution images that show no face.

You can believe the NASA "knowledge management specialists" if you choose to, but there is overwhelming evidence they have been lying to us for years, such as the FACT it took decades to release to the public they had discovered water on Mars.

Repeating a mistake won't make it true. Clearly you are mistaken.

Unfortunately, you need to start learning astronomy and getting your facts correct. I have confidence that you can do it.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Do you know what Nibiru means in ancient Summerian, where the word comes from?

It means planet of the crossing.

It's spelled with one 'm' and your definition is wrong.

Many people believe in this planet, though there are many names for it, they are all referring to a planet written about in many ancient texts which is said to "cross" earth's orbit every 3600 years or so, causing mass upheavals on earth.

That is false. There are no ancient texts describing that. None at all.

Some people do not understand that there is a difference between names Planet X and Nemesis. The reason there are different names is that there are very different reasons for supposing there might be something to find. People that mix these names up seem to be unaware of what the names mean.

All the ancient religions, tribes, such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mayans, Summerians, Aztecs, Hopi's all refer to the SAME THING.

Once again the "one size fits all" doctrine rears its ugly head.

That statement is so ridiculous. Hopi's didn't describe something like an unknown planet. Wormwood is not a planet. It seems to be a star or an angel. You claim is the sort of rubbish pawned off by hoaxers that seek to empty the wallets of the gullible.

reply to post by PluPerfect


So much for "fictional Schumann resonance baloney", you and Stereologist always cry for proof or evidence from people, but never prove theories wrong either. Can you prove the Schumann Resonance exists? Or does not exist?

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by stereologist


And I'm inferring from this that you know of just about ALL of these texts huh? Do you think it isn't just slightly suspicious that the Vatican, the most powerful institution in the world, requested meetings with Zecharia Sitchin? Or the fact that there is a video of a Christmas speech at the Vatican, and hanging right below the Pope's upside down cross in his chair on the balcony, was an 8-pointed star.

www.youtube.com...

Wait just what is that at 0:15?? An eight point star?!

Where did this 8-pointed star originate from?

en.wikipedia.org...

Sumeria, as the Star of Ishtar..Coincidence? Maybe, if you'd just like to be naive about things, and not realize that there is a deliberate cover-up of knowledge and information. You can believe 9/11 was a conspiracy, that banking is a sham, health care is killing people from deliberate malpractice due to throwing pills at people, food supply is tainted with poisons, while water and the sodium fluoride issue go on. Yet it is such an imagination stretch to think that your friendly neighborhood scientists don't tell you everything.

There is a very good reason you can't detect Nibiru or whatever type planet that is being hypothesized about, names are labels, and labels are good for nothing. The reason you can not see it is because of the means being used to attempt and OBSERVE it. If it exists at all, it is obviously not in the 3rd Dimension, but the 4th or higher. Are you aware of atoms and particles that take place on such a small scale right before your eyes, but you could never see it? Energy and matter is all around us, and not all of it can be seen. Also if Nibiru is in a separate dimensional time-line, it would not be effecting the planets on our dimension, but theirs.