Proof that religion has warped your mind.

Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by jiggerj

If you don't want your kids to watch such brutal, vicious, savage violence, and justify it in the name of Jesus, then you're not insane. Many would choose this over sex without a second thought.

Quite an pretentious attitude; to exonerate someone from insanity because they agree with you, don't you think?
And if they didn't take your position, they would be insane correct?

I apologize if I am without tact, but I am a seeker of truth and not all truths are ideal to our emotions and logic. You offered proof, a step towards truth, but was immensely misleading. It was nothing more than an assumption based on what some American Christians would choose to conclusively deride Christianity.

I have no problem with Anti-Christian sentiment, my issue was the basis of your argument. It holds no ground and offers no purpose other than endorsing an agenda.

So, you're saying that if a parent chose for the kids to watch 'The Passion of the Christ', this in no way reveals a mind warped by religion. That this parent is totally mentally healthy. That right?

P.S. I'm not sure the person I exonerated was agreeing with me.

Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by jiggerj

Not really. I try to strengthen my position on the downfalls of all religions. But the point still stands, if you would cringe at the idea of young minds watching religious violence, doesn't that tell you that something is very VERY wrong with that religion.

Why should the violence only be limited to religious violence? What was your motive when you singled out religious violence as opposed to Star Wars violence, or 300 violence?

Because people don't believe Jedi's exist, nor do they live their lives according to the 300.

My cringing at an idea of children watching religious violence does NOT implicate something is wrong with that religion.

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by jiggerj

Not really. I try to strengthen my position on the downfalls of all religions. But the point still stands, if you would cringe at the idea of young minds watching religious violence, doesn't that tell you that something is very VERY wrong with that religion.

Why should the violence only be limited to religious violence? What was your motive when you singled out religious violence as opposed to Star Wars violence, or 300 violence?

Because people don't believe Jedi's exist, nor do they live their lives according to the 300.

My cringing at an idea of children watching religious violence does NOT implicate something is wrong with that religion.

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Violence is violence, does it matter what story it comes from? Whether or not people believe Jedi's or Jesus exists is irrelevant.

Funny how you decided to delete the rest of my post in your second quote...here let me refill it.

My cringing at an idea of children watching religious violence does NOT implicate something is wrong with that religion. How do you come up with this rationale? My opinion is not an universally accepted moral doctrine. Maybe you think yours is, but I certainly do not.

Originally posted by DrChuck

Violence is violence, does it matter what story it comes from? Whether or not people believe Jedi's or Jesus exists is irrelevant.

Funny how you decided to delete the rest of my post in your second quote...here let me refill it.

My cringing at an idea of children watching religious violence does NOT implicate something is wrong with that religion. How do you come up with this rationale? My opinion is not an universally accepted moral doctrine. Maybe you think yours is, but I certainly do not.

lol That part was irrelevant to my response.

Does it matter what story violence comes from, you ask? And, if you have to ask, then you accept that violence is an integral part of religion. So, it's okay for fanatical Christians to blow up abortion clinics. It's okay for radical Muslims to behead infidels and crash planes into buildings.

OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!!

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lol That part was irrelevant to my response. Does it matter what story violence comes from, you ask? And, if you have to ask, then you accept that violence is an integral part of religion. So, it's okay for fanatical Christians to blow up abortion clinics. It's okay for radical Muslims to behead infidels and crash planes into buildings. OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!!

Christ would never stand behind the bombing of abortion clinics, and most Christians realize this. Blaming a whole religion because of a few radicals is silly.

The violence that happened to Christ was not the fault of Christ, and he even told his disciples to put away their swords when they tried to fight for him, when he was seized.

I don't think you fully realize how you are blaming the acts of certain non Christians on those who did not initiate it, or condone it .

Yes..there are some whacked out Christians out there, but the number that try to live by a standard of love and forgiveness far out number the radicals.

reply to post by WhisperingWinds


Is a peaceful delusion worth more than a violent reality?

Is the calm sleep more important than the painful waking?

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by DrChuck

Violence is violence, does it matter what story it comes from? Whether or not people believe Jedi's or Jesus exists is irrelevant.

Funny how you decided to delete the rest of my post in your second quote...here let me refill it.

My cringing at an idea of children watching religious violence does NOT implicate something is wrong with that religion. How do you come up with this rationale? My opinion is not an universally accepted moral doctrine. Maybe you think yours is, but I certainly do not.

lol That part was irrelevant to my response.

Why is that part irrelevant to your response? Your stating that if I find something repulsive then something must be wrong with that religion/idea. My repulsiveness to a segment of an idea does not make the entire idea wrong. My opinion isn't a draconian moral law the universe abides by.

And there is no doctrine in Christianity that requires a viewing of the "Passion" over lovemaking, this is an hypothetical situation that you yourself have delusionally inducted into the Christian faith to discredit them.

Do you not think there are Christians who would choose the sexual viewing over the "Passion"? Are you aware that there are many different doctrines in Christianity?

And, if you have to ask, then you accept that violence is an integral part of religion.

I don't know where this logic comes from. Please explain how my asking denotes, in any way or form, my acceptance of violence as an integral part of religion.

So, it's okay for fanatical Christians to blow up abortion clinics. It's okay for radical Muslims to behead infidels and crash planes into buildings.

OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!!

If you think its ok then that's your opinion. But I never said such things. I don't know where your coming up with these confabulations about my position on the matter, but it is amusing to say the least.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
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lol That part was irrelevant to my response. Does it matter what story violence comes from, you ask? And, if you have to ask, then you accept that violence is an integral part of religion. So, it's okay for fanatical Christians to blow up abortion clinics. It's okay for radical Muslims to behead infidels and crash planes into buildings. OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!!

Christ would never stand behind the bombing of abortion clinics, and most Christians realize this. Blaming a whole religion because of a few radicals is silly.

The violence that happened to Christ was not the fault of Christ, and he even told his disciples to put away their swords when they tried to fight for him, when he was seized.

I don't think you fully realize how you are blaming the acts of certain non Christians on those who did not initiate it, or condone it .

Yes..there are some whacked out Christians out there, but the number that try to live by a standard of love and forgiveness far out number the radicals.

SOME whacked out Christians? Tell me something, what is the symbol that represents, not just Christianity but every sect of the catholic faith? What religious image is recognized and fully accepted by every Christian? Is it Jesus holding flowers? Is it Jesus feeding the poor? Healing the sick? No. It's this:



The religious can't see how brutally disgusting this is. They have been brainwashed into seeing a bloody, savagely beaten, crucified man as something beautiful. That's how twisted religion is.

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The religious can't see how brutally disgusting this is. They have been brainwashed into seeing a bloody, savagely beaten, crucified man as something beautiful. That's how twisted religion is.

I can see your point, only problem is you are trying to brainwash us into thinking that images of burnt up Vietnamese children was all about fighting for so called freedom, and we should honor those that participated in that.

The crucified Christ is a picture of a price paid for "freedom" from sin.

Please don't be a hypocrite, by saying one is far better than the other.

It was under the pagan authoritys of the day the crucifixion took place, and Christians like sex, though they consider it a private act, not a public activity.
Your whole premise is wrong. The Passion of the Christ was an art house movie, made for a select market, pornography is for a select market as well.
To suggest these movies should be viewed by children reflect more about your state of mind than anything else.

God created humanity to produce, hence God created sex. Its the worlds people who have twisted it with public acts. The violence was not instigated by religion it was exercised on Christ.
Your premise is foolish.
Violence is outlawed in the bible, so is indecent sexual activity. This is a stupid premise.

Originally posted by jiggerj

The religious can't see how brutally disgusting this is. They have been brainwashed into seeing a bloody, savagely beaten, crucified man as something beautiful. That's how twisted religion is.

The religious can see how brutally disgusting this action was, where is your head at?
What we can also see is how beautiful the sacrifice, the choice that made was is.

Do you get that, two views of the one thing. What the Pagans and Jews did was bad, horrible, what Jesus allowed to happen to rescue me was sad but beautiful. I am awe struck that God allowed and did this for me.

I know its hard for you to understand but try.

Sounds like you have the twisted comprehension not us.

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Love is all.

God is love.

Sex expresses love best.

Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by jiggerj

The religious can't see how brutally disgusting this is. They have been brainwashed into seeing a bloody, savagely beaten, crucified man as something beautiful. That's how twisted religion is.

The religious can see how brutally disgusting this action was, where is your head at?
What we can also see is how beautiful the sacrifice, the choice that made was is.

Do you get that, two views of the one thing. What the Pagans and Jews did was bad, horrible, what Jesus allowed to happen to rescue me was sad but beautiful. I am awe struck that God allowed and did this for me.

I know its hard for you to understand but try.

Sounds like you have the twisted comprehension not us.

Oh I get it all right. It's a real beautiful thing to base a religion on. Lovely. Hey! Let's all have crucifixes that drip red food coloring for blood. Awesome! Kids'll love it!

Jeez.

Originally posted by borntowatch
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To suggest these movies should be viewed by children reflect more about your state of mind than anything else.
Your premise is foolish.
Violence is outlawed in the bible, so is indecent sexual activity. This is a stupid premise.

Are you so twisted that you can't see what you're writing? What's the difference between a child viewing what is supposedly an historical event and a parent merely allowing the child to hear that a god will send them to burn in hell if they steal a cookie???? That is mental child abuse no matter how you cut it. People should be arrested for teaching children this!

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds


you are trying to brainwash us into thinking that images of burnt up Vietnamese children was all about fighting for so called freedom, .

Huuuuuh????? Wait, let me try again. Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh???????????

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So the choice is to let some kids watch pornography, or watch a fillm depicting their Savior and God give it all to redeem them so they can be with him for eternity and never die?

I'll take the Passion of Christ over porno any day especially with kids watching, at least they can benefit from his teachings to love your enemies as you love your friends and neighbors and to be at peace verses learning what to do with their penis or vagina from pornography.

Originally posted by chr0naut
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Love is all.

God is love.

Sex expresses love best.

It also expresses lust best.

In this case morality should have the upper hand.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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So the choice is to let some kids watch pornography, or watch a fillm depicting their Savior and God give it all to redeem them so they can be with him for eternity and never die?

I'll take the Passion of Christ over porno any day especially with kids watching, at least they can benefit from his teachings to love your enemies as you love your friends and neighbors and to be at peace verses learning what to do with their penis or vagina from pornography.

That's

just

wrong.

Originally posted by micmerci
Isn't this really a question of sex vs. violence? Ideally, I would prefer to expose my young children to neither because I think both have the potential of having adverse effects on their development. If the children were perhaps in their teens then I would choose the sex over the violence because I think it is easier for a teen to properly process sexuality and make discerning decisions on that subject than it is for violent acts. Just my opinion.

Exactly. Neither are appropriate for young children. However, the Christ scene is more appropriate than pornography any day of the week.

You prefer pornography over religious history and you are saying religion warps minds?

Very weak attack on religion. Try harder next time, OP.

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SOME whacked out Christians? Tell me something, what is the symbol that represents, not just Christianity but every sect of the catholic faith? What religious image is recognized and fully accepted by every Christian? Is it Jesus holding flowers? Is it Jesus feeding the poor? Healing the sick? No. It's this:

I got some news for you, the cross is empty. Btw what Jim Caviezel got for torture in that movie doesn't do it justice to what the romans did to Jesus. He was beaten and whipped unrecognizeable with his ribs exposed and intestines exposed with those hyssop thorns digging into his skull while being nailed to that cross. Doctors say that where the nails pierced his hands they hit the nerves there and he was in such intense pain that just the wind blowing on his skin was excruciating pain to him. He was a ragged heap of flayed flesh. All he had to do was will us all to be dead and humanity would have been destroyed in a flash of light, instead he prayed for the people who were killing him and he forgave them.

Could you do the same to your killers? I doubt that, you take jabs and make fun of the very people who love this same Jesus who took all this to save you from spiritual death. We love him, and you piss in his face and in ours for loving him. This speaks volumes as to your character sir. Even his own people hated him, yet people 2000 years later can find it within themselves to love him when even his own rejected him. To this day he is still an outcast amoung his own people, still they curse his name and say terrible lies about him, yet a people not his own, a people who branded themselves outcasts for loving him have claimed him as their own. You should be ashamed, yet i doubt you even have a heart to feel even that.

The cross is a symbol of how much he loved us, that he could endure all of that so save us. There is no greater love than to sacrifice yourself to save a people you love despite them hating you with all their hearts and torturing you blacking your eyes and spitting on you while you love them instead. Everytime we see a cross it makes us want to cry, it is the constant reminder of what he had to do to save us all and you disrespect his self sacrifice.