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Originally posted by neformore
.Is abnormal, and frankly, it looks like "we" caused it.
I don't think you need to be a scientist or Miss Marple to deduce that...
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by DCPatriot
Guy...That was the Mahdi Army. A particularly vicious militia who share a belief in the Mahdi...Men who believe death and chaos is necessary to bring back the 12th Imam. Funded, sheltered, equipped and trained in Iran, they were the most formidable force facing US troops in Iraq.
They were NOT the civilian population. Who don't deserve to suffer.
But to the people the particles do settle on in the briefness, is it cause for concern in your opinion?
I can see this issue has many facets and I appreciate your view. Do you think the shrapnel and shell casings that remain long after the battles can cause any harm?
I like to use a more personal analogy when considering these things, and I ask this in general, not just towards you, would you let your kids play around such environments with DU shrapnel and shell casings?
If the answer is no, then that kind of supports the notion that just the uncertainty alone is enough to warrant further investigation from independent investigators.
Originally posted by ezekielken
reply to post by projectvxn
What could possibly be propoganda regarding Anti-war. You my friend should go play on the I-15.
Doug Rokke has a PhD in health physics and was originally trained as a forensic scientist. When the Gulf War started, he was assigned to prepare soldiers to respond to nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare, and sent to the Gulf. What he experienced has made him a passionate voice for peace, travelling the country to speak out. The following interview was conducted by the director of the Traprock Peace Center, Sunny Miller, supplemented with questions from YES! editors
QUESTION: Any viewer who saw the war on television had the impression this was an easy war, fought from a distance and soldiers coming back relatively unharmed. Is this an accurate picture?
ROKKE: At the completion of the Gulf War, when we came back to the United States in the fall of 1991, we had a total casualty count of 760: 294 dead, a little over 400 wounded or ill. But the casualty rate now for Gulf War veterans is approximately 30 percent. Of those stationed in the theater, including after the conflict, 221,000 have been awarded disability, according to a Veterans Affairs (VA) report issued September 10, 2002.
Many of the US casualties died as a direct result of uranium munitions friendly fire. US forces killed and wounded US forces.
We recommended care for anybody downwind of any uranium dust, anybody working in and around uranium contamination, and anyone within a vehicle, structure, or building that's struck with uranium munitions. That's thousands upon thousands of individuals, but not only US troops. You should provide medical care not only for the enemy soldiers but for the Iraqi women and children affected, and clean up all of the contamination in Iraq.
And it's not just children in Iraq. It's children born to soldiers after they came back home. The military admitted that they were finding uranium excreted in the semen of the soldiers. If you've got uranium in the semen, the genetics are messed up. So when the children were conceived—the alpha particles cause such tremendous cell damage and genetics damage that everything goes bad. Studies have found that male soldiers who served in the Gulf War were almost twice as likely to have a child with a birth defect and female soldiers almost three times as likely.
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by usmc0311
Yes, but the April operation ended abruptly for political reasons. Your certainly right that every civilian did not get out as I saw firsthand but many who stayed were helping the insurgents as well. Not all but some. I definitely do not feel that our cause was just but at the time we were facing an enemy that was hell bent on killing us. We were ordered to be there and we did what we felt was nesassary for our survival. Given what I know now the whole war was a warcrime so you can take what you want from that.
In what ways did you see or find evidence of the Fallujah civilians helping the insurgents? Did you see them as legitimate targets because of this? What were the ROE set done by your commanding officer in relation to this?
I am not asking these questions in a confrontational way, genuinely interested in how you saw it as I just recently typed a paper on the different types of violences Iraqis found themselves at the mercy of following the invasion.
Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by usmc0311
Careful what you say. If you are still in , you do know you limited your Freedom of Speech when you signed the dotted line.
Even if the war was to secure Oil Assets. Oil is just as vital as fresh water to pretty much all nations.
Also , the US does not recognize international law.
You should also know , we are around DU materials often and nothing happens , hell we even handle the materials and sit next to them for hours. Nothing.edit on 28-5-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)