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Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Tell me how that should mean "more secrecy for the press"? This was a very brave speech for JFK and it is in very clear english.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by HIWATT
Unless they themselves agree, FreeMasonry is a Secret Society which by it's very nature is abhorrent as specified by John F. Kennedy - and yes, I see his as a credible voice on the matter - as he was killed for it.
Thanks for playing. Kennedy's Speech, entitled The President and the Press, was calling for more secrecy, from, guess who? The Press. And if he was killed for it they sure waited long enough since he gave this speech in 1961.
Also, he himself was a member of a Secrect Society.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Oceanborn
He was a member of the Knight of Columbus. A Catholic secret society much like masonry.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by HIWATT
God bless the fool who just takes a few quotes out of context without reading it in its entirety.
edit on 27-5-2012 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)
Just as you cannot accurately claim all secrecy is nefarious, you cannot accurately claim all secrecy is not nefarious. My favorite color is a secret. The identity of a serial killer is a secret, until it's not a secret. Secrets, by their very nature, are not created equally..
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by protocolsoflove
Secrecy isn't nefarious. It is not a bad thing and there's nothing wrong with it.
Everyone enjoys secrecy and if you look at it secrecy breeds trust.
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
"An occult school can only be founded by an initiate of one of the great traditions. It will be recalled
that Paracelsus travelled in the Near East before he received occult power; it will also be remembered
that Mme Blavatsky penetrated into Tibet before she was able to establish an esoteric school. The
reason that the Lesser Mysteries of Europe use the terminology of the building trade is that the
necessary contacts for the degrees were found in the debased rituals that the mediaeval building guilds
performed ‘for luck’ when laying foundation stones. These rituals dated back to the times when temples
of the Mysteries were designed as great symbols and systems of correspondences, and the men who
did the work had therefore to be initiated into certain lower degrees in order that they might adequately
perform their tasks. Only initiate workmen could be allowed to build these symbolic temples, just as
only initiate caretakers can look after Masonic temples, and so an elementary knowledge of the
Mysteries was as much a part of the training of the better type of builder as an elementary knowledge of
mechanics." Dion Fortune "Esoteric Orders and their Work"
Why would anyone openly join a satanic or luceferian organization?
IMHO, the top levels of FM are run by very dark people who are part of the Order of the Illuminati. However, a vast majority of the folks who join do so for the same purpose people join a fraternity. Establish relationships, network of friends who can help in a capitalistic world and so on.
I've known several people who are Freemasons. Many of them talk about how they were just trying to help the community etc etc. The bottom line is, that when you read the authors who are seen as great Masons, and authorities in Freemasonry, they talk about harnessing the power of Lucifer etc. Their vow to secrecy is directly related as well. There is layers upon layers of deception.
Like most organizations though, it's a bit more complex than "all FM's are satanists." Far from it. There is a certain level of credibility and good will that needs to reside for the public face of such organizations.
One particular friend who got up to 32nd degree Freemason told me that he was being recruited heavily by the higher ups. When he met with them, he said that those guys at the top really are delusional in that they feel they "run the world." They have more money than you could imagine and feel that the rest of humanity are cattle. Not far from the accusations made against the organization by conspiracy theorists.
You guys are correct in what you say about your craft being harmless because I honestly think you believe it and I apologize for calling everyone liars when it's probable that you guys are given only enough occult knowledge to get your feet wet. I'm sure most people don't care to read or understand the mysteries so no one brings them "above" masonry.edit on 27-5-2012 by protocolsoflove because: (no reason given)edit on 27-5-2012 by protocolsoflove because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
"An occult school can only be founded by an initiate of one of the great traditions. It will be recalled
that Paracelsus travelled in the Near East before he received occult power; it will also be remembered
that Mme Blavatsky penetrated into Tibet before she was able to establish an esoteric school. The
reason that the Lesser Mysteries of Europe use the terminology of the building trade is that the
necessary contacts for the degrees were found in the debased rituals that the mediaeval building guilds
performed ‘for luck’ when laying foundation stones. These rituals dated back to the times when temples
of the Mysteries were designed as great symbols and systems of correspondences, and the men who
did the work had therefore to be initiated into certain lower degrees in order that they might adequately
perform their tasks. Only initiate workmen could be allowed to build these symbolic temples, just as
only initiate caretakers can look after Masonic temples, and so an elementary knowledge of the
Mysteries was as much a part of the training of the better type of builder as an elementary knowledge of
mechanics." Dion Fortune "Esoteric Orders and their Work"
You guys are correct in what you say about your craft being harmless because I honestly think you believe it and I apologize for calling everyone liars when it's probable that you guys are given only enough occult knowledge to get your feet wet. I'm sure most people don't care to read or understand the mysteries so no one brings them "above" masonry.edit on 27-5-2012 by protocolsoflove because: (no reason given)edit on 27-5-2012 by protocolsoflove because: (no reason given)
Here is what they are missing. Secrecy breeds trust and courage. There are many reasons we may love our spouses, but believing we can share anything with them is an important aspect to a healthy relationship. The idea that your closest companion will not share your private moments with anyone else is what allows you to trust them. The idea that we can trust them gives of the courage to share with them.
The Relevant Mason
Your argument, IMHO, is limited to being a half-truth.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Erbal
Secrecy does build trust. Or are you incapable of keeping secrets? If you can't, I feel bad for those close to you who might have given you something to keep private/secret.
Secrecy isn't the antithesis of truth.
Here is what they are missing. Secrecy breeds trust and courage. There are many reasons we may love our spouses, but believing we can share anything with them is an important aspect to a healthy relationship. The idea that your closest companion will not share your private moments with anyone else is what allows you to trust them. The idea that we can trust them gives of the courage to share with them.
The Relevant Mason
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
YES JFK AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WERE BOTH MEMBERS OF THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS. ASK YOURSELF WHY THE GREAT HUMAN AND AMERICA'S LAST GREAT PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS MURDERED IN MASONIC JURISDICTION.
Originally posted by W3RLIED2
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
YES JFK AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WERE BOTH MEMBERS OF THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS. ASK YOURSELF WHY THE GREAT HUMAN AND AMERICA'S LAST GREAT PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS MURDERED IN MASONIC JURISDICTION.
You realize that according to Masons, the MOON belongs to the Texas Grand Lodge? Specifically the Sea of Tranquility I think.
Every step you have taken on this planet has been in a Masonic juristiction.