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An apology to the masons.

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:11 AM
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freemasonry.bcy.ca...

I found this awesome website. Whenever I have a masonic conspiracy question I can just refer to this


I've seen many of these same points raised lately!




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:17 AM
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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I have this quote to say:


"The Nazis claimed that high degree Masons were willing members of "the Jewish conspiracy" and that Freemasonry was one of the causes of Germany's loss of the First World War. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that Freemasonry has "succumbed" to the Jews and has become an "excellent instrument" to fight for their aims and to use their "strings" to pull the upper strata of society into their alleged designs. He continued, "The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self-preservation begun by Freemasonry" is then transmitted to the masses of society by the press.[7] In 1933 Hermann Göring, the Reichstag President and one of the key figures in the process of Gleichschaltung ("synchronization"), stated "...in National Socialist Germany, there is no place for Freemasonry."[8]
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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Just to keep the discussion going, this is a pretty crazy documentary.

Remember, love is for ALL in the mind of God.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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That is a very good quote. So very apt.

I've noticed being compared to Jews makes Freemasons go crazy. They seem to play the same games. One side infiltrates the banks and the other the courts, or legislative assemblies etc. They are working in exactly the same way with a lot of cross contamination.

They both have foot soldiers who are brainwashed. These people are trying to make us believe they have secret passwords and handshakes for no reason at all. The passwords and handshakes are not meant to guard secrets? This brand of willful deception is damning indictment. It shows how bold they are.

I hate it when Hitler is right, but indeed taking advantage of general apathy is their claim to fame.

The sad part is that these guys will read our commentary and not only know that what we say is true, they will be very pleased about themselves because they joined a group that is busily working against society. These types (okay my 1st generalization) have lost their faith in truth or justice, so being unscrupulous in a world that holds only the law of the jungle is a positive thing to them. For example, you say FM is like Jewish and they think "woot, we control the banks and have normal people at our mercy". They don't think it is unfair at all. They are in FM because society scares them anyway. No backbone is what it takes to join FM.

Pity so few people have the moral character to reject them for what they are, though that's unfair. FM has secret handshakes because they don't want to be caught.

They aren't necessarily the worst group. I think crime gangs like Yakuza do more harm and pose a bigger threat to society, but that doesn't mean that they can't work together. It doesn't seem like their is any purpose to FM other than lift themselves up at the expense of others and use their clout to ensure the group profits at societies expense. This is morality free standpoint and one that is unfortunately shared amongst the ultra right wing nationalists, jews, FM and crime gangs alike.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 05:43 AM
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So we should identify the Jews and Freemasons so they cannot get into public office. Perhaps we should make them wear a star on their clothing and tattoo some numbers on their wrists. Do you have any spare cattle cars?

You should stop while you're behind.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by network dude
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So we should identify the Jews and Freemasons so they cannot get into public office. Perhaps we should make them wear a star on their clothing and tattoo some numbers on their wrists. Do you have any spare cattle cars?

You should stop while you're behind.


Haha, that one made me spit my milk.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Before my post gets buried more than it has already, is there any source on the internet which shows exactly what Freemasonry DOES teach it's brothers, aside from grips, passwords, and modes of recognition?

My original post goes into more depth to what I'm asking, it was in response to very specific claims and an invitation to ask questions, both of which originated from a Mason.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Try this one to start. Click here . Lots of good stuff and more links too.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by W3RLIED2
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Try this one to start. Click here . Lots of good stuff and more links too.

I was referring to what Freemasonry, the fraternity itself, actually teaches it's initiated, beyond the passwords, modes of recognition, and rituals/oaths/protocol/rules.

You join the fraternity, you pass the blue lodge, you learn the passwords, grips, tokens, handshakes, rules, and obviously you learn the rituals too... then what, in regards to education? You just educate/enlighten yourself on your free time from the FM library, all of which is available outside of the lodge? Or you get secret educations because the material, to your knowledge, is not available outside of the lodge to the public? Something else, if so what?
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Erbal

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
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Try this one to start. Click here . Lots of good stuff and more links too.

I was referring to what Freemasonry, the fraternity itself, actually teaches it's initiated, beyond the passwords, modes of recognition, and rituals/oaths/protocol/rules.

You join the fraternity, you pass the blue lodge, you learn the passwords, grips, tokens, handshakes, rules, and obviously you learn the rituals too... then what, in regards to education? You just educate/enlighten yourself on your free time from the FM library, all of which is available outside of the lodge? Or you get secret educations because the material, to your knowledge, is not available outside of the lodge to the public? Something else, if so what?
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It's available to the public, you just have to know where to look.

The Appendant rites off further Light in regards to the esoteric. From my understanding the Royal Arch is consistent with and an expansion of the degrees of a Blue lodge. The Scottish Rite will expand on the occult more, and incorporates A LOT of symbolism through out the degrees.

Ther is a saying in Masonry " you get out of it what you put in ". I've found this to be exceedingly true. A little dedication and the willingness to learn will get you far in Masonry, as it will in most aspects of life.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Thanks for the replies.

I'm still confused by the point of your fraternity needing this shroud of mystery and secrecy if the material exists freely outside the fraternity and anyone is free to teach it to outsiders, all sans a lodge at all. Yet I can't find where this enlightenment is taught outside of a lodge, regular or irregular, which I find extremely odd. I do get how Freemasonry existed in a time where occult material, and it's followers, could easily be misunderstood and burned at the stake... it's 2012 now, society has changed drastically, why hasn't Freemasonry opened up?

Can you at least recognize how an outsider CAN reasonably perceive the fraternity to be at the very least a hidden good ole boys network, and at worst being a seemingly perfect organization to be infiltrated by nefarious occult networks?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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A lot of it is self-education.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
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So we should identify the Jews and Freemasons so they cannot get into public office. Perhaps we should make them wear a star on their clothing and tattoo some numbers on their wrists. Do you have any spare cattle cars?

You should stop while you're behind.


There is a very long list of organisations that work against decent people who are willing to get by in society without being propped up by underhanded organisations.

Freemasons is one of them

The fact you chose to slander me as a Nazi is absolute proof you have no come back at all.

The fact you can't see how stupid you look, pulling a trick like that, is laughable.

The fact you got stars for this comment proves without a doubt that Freemasons are not decent people. They are partisan and only care for Freemasons - a morality free zone. In this sense you are exactly the same as the Jews. Hitler is not the issue here. You calling me a Nazi is like being a racist by a black panther member.

Enjoy the hell you create.



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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Erbal
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Before my post gets buried more than it has already, is there any source on the internet which shows exactly what Freemasonry DOES teach it's brothers, aside from grips, passwords, and modes of recognition?

My original post goes into more depth to what I'm asking, it was in response to very specific claims and an invitation to ask questions, both of which originated from a Mason.


They band together to get a boost in their society. They operate as a secret society so people don't realize they could never have got that raise or promotion when their boss is only allowed to put the needs of Freemasons first.

This is why almost all the people on this thread joined. (One joined because everybody else mistreated him). You won't get any answers as to the secrets. The sheepish members are hoping to gain some of these secrets. I'm quite sure they know nothing, or if they had information of worth, they would reply with some evidence of intelligence..

I assume the secrets pertain to occult practices, not unlike the Jewish Gnosticism, or something that puts them against the jews. Good luck finding out. I find that annoying them and making them angry is both rewarding and is the best way to discern where their minds are at.

Be absolutely certain that if you are not with them they are against you. They are societies cowards - people who never think about the repercussions of their actions or even question who or what they they are. They let people do their thinking for them.

They chose the red pill



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
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A lot of it is self-education.
Right. I keep hearing that. That's not what my question is asking, I've been pretty clear on this.

What, explicitly, is not self-education in regards to Freemasonry, beyond the modes of recognition, symbols, and the rituals/oaths?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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I'm trying to get past the trolling and hear from Masons themselves as to what exactly is taught by the fraternity, or even just to hear they are not willing or not permitted to actually answer that question without dancing around and lawyering me to death.




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