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Coordinates are given by NASA in both Decimal Degrees and Degrees Minutes Seconds
The Apollo 11 Mission Report Table 5-IV lists the coordinates in Decimal Degrees (en.wikipedia.org...
). For the most part,
that is straight forward.
There is one exception, there are two entries for photography. Keep in mind this is not a real time solution. These figures were derived AFTER THE
ALLEGED RETURN TO EARTH. And as a matter of fact, these numbers, the photography figures were considered THE CORRECT FIGURES as you'll see.
The first set of photography figures are given in the table in decimal degrees as 0.647 north and 23.505 east. If we do the correction and add 0.04
to the north coordinate one finds 0.687 north. For the east, one subtracts 0.07 and finds 23.435 east. These Decimal Degree figures do not appear
in the table, but the table does feature these numbers converted to their Degrees/Minutes/Seconds form(www.cpearson.com...
). They list in table 5-IV for the photography based solution; 00 41' 15" north and 23
26' 00" east. I find 00 41' 13 and change and 23 26' 06" doing the conversion from Decimal Degrees to Degrees/Minutes/Seconds myself, but no big
So the table features mostly Decimal Degrees with the one Degrees/Minutes/Seconds exception for the non real-time photography solution as above, the
non real-time photography solution corrected for the trajectory to map consideration.
This is as clear as I can be given the information available to me. I have made some effort to locate Davies' original paper unsuccessfully.
Regardless, I believe the Reed comments speak for themselves. As do the comments of the Lick Observatory astronomers which are consistent with the
"story" as I present it. My version is one in which NASA more or less has FOREKNOWLEDGE of the landing site coordinates. They gave the numbers to
astronomer Joseph Wampler on the evening of 07/20/1969 and then turned around and claimed they did not have those same numbers until 08/01/1969. They
did this because were the number actually known in real time, the fraud might have been exposed right then and there with no astronauts to confirm a
McDonald blue green laser firing and what not. So Reed is given bogus numbers, he solves by way of a reverse radar solution which works, BUT
IMPORTANTLY UNDER THAT SCENARIO, THE ACCURACY OF REED'S LANDING SITE FIGURES CAN REMAIN SAFELY AMBIGUOUS FOR AT LEAST SOME TIME UNTIL AFTER THE
ASTRONAUTS RETURN AND PHOTOS AND FLIGHT DATA ARE CAREFULLY STUDIED. No one knew how good/accurate Reed's numbers were until the official landing
site coordinates were announced 08/01/1969.
Note, the astronomers expect the correct numbers so NASA must cough those up, give them to the Lick Observatory staff, but the bogus JPL program
prevents the astronomers from confirming the Eagle's landing site as in fact at 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00 " east on the night of
07/20/1969-07/21/1969(am). See; www.abovetopsecret.com...
Not a bad scam, may have held up pretty well were it not for Reed's book. But with Reed's testimony we now have the man most relevant/important to
the Eagle launch telling us very directly, very explicitly, that the Apollo 11 Mission Report is bogus, is full on fraudulent. Note in the Reed
telling how were he to have had the coordinates, the solution would have been a piece of cake. Again, from the book FROM THE TRENCH OF MISSION
CONTROL TO THE CRATERS OF THE MOON;
" I would work with SELECT and DYNAMICS to get all the relative geometry down and work out the correct ignition time for return to the CSM.Piece of
cake really. All we needed were landing site coordinates and a solid ephemeris on the CSM. "
Carefully note this comment of Reed's as well;
"After all, we knew where the CSM was and the problem was a relative one between the CSM and the LM, not actually requiring latitude and longitude. To
do this we would need to have the rendezvous radar (RR) turned on in the LM one revolution earlier than planned. Only two more passes of the CSM
remained before Ascent ignition, before we had to have a solution to this problem!"
Reed stated that the problem was a relative one, one in which what they desired was to know/understand the dynamic relationship between the LM and CM.
The latitude and longitude per se were not required. To be sure , but if one knows the dynamic relationship between the CM and LM, then as we know
the details regarding CM dynamics, we then have the landing site in latitude and longitude as well. So it turns out that it is two ways of saying the
same thing in a sense, and indeed working the rendezvous radar solution did provide landing site coordinates as I so just suggested. The rendezvous
radar solution coordinates are listed in the Apollo 11 Mission Report table 5-IV in their uncorrected form as 0.636 north and 23.50 east. Correcting
we have, 0.676 north and 23.43 east, few hundred meters from the LM at most at 0.6875 and 23.433 east.
So that's the best I can do DJW001. If you are looking for something else , it is information i do not have. Perhaps you can enlighten us. I am
sure H. David would appreciate your clarifications.
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