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Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by TKDRL
The most important people to ever walk the earth never wrote their words themselves. Jesus, Aristotle, Confucius, Muhammad (Mirrored Truth) and so on. Read their words, written by disciples, and you are reading true perspective to find truth.
I would counter with the most important people actually DID write down their words themselves.
But.. I guess it depends on what you hold important. Esoteric mumblings or human progress.
Umm, no. This is just false. Aristotle wrote all of his own philosophic works, plus works on other topics. No one did it for him. Socrates did not write anything down, but really there can be no distinction between the ideas of Socrates and Plato, for the most part at least. ...
Originally posted by prevenge
watch the movie "Stigmata" - it's all about the Gospel of Jesus and how it was intentionally removed from the Bible.. because it professed that one should "not look under brick or wood to find him" .. meaning you wouldn't go into a church to find Christ.. you found it within yourself.... this statement is obviously at odds with the Church's existence.
Although there is overwhelming evidence that the New Testament is an accurate and trustworthy historical document, many people are still reluctant to believe what it says unless there is also some independent, non-biblical testimony that corroborates its statements. In the introduction to one of his books, F.F. Bruce tells about a Christian correspondent who was told by an agnostic friend that "apart from obscure references in Josephus and the like," there was no historical evidence for the life of Jesus outside the Bible. This, he wrote to Bruce, had caused him "great concern and some little upset in [his] spiritual life." He concludes his letter by asking, "Is such collateral proof available, and if not, are there reasons for the lack of it?" The answer to this question is, "Yes, such collateral proof is available," and we will be looking at some of it in this article.
Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources
Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .
What all can we learn from this ancient (and rather unsympathetic) reference to Jesus and the early Christians? Notice, first, that Tacitus reports Christians derived their name from a historical person called Christus (from the Latin), or Christ. He is said to have "suffered the extreme penalty," obviously alluding to the Roman method of execution known as crucifixion. This is said to have occurred during the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilatus. This confirms much of what the Gospels tell us about the death of Jesus.
Evidence from Pliny the Younger
Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity.
At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:
They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food--but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.
Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud
There are only a few clear references to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500. Given this time frame, it is naturally supposed that earlier references to Jesus are more likely to be historically reliable than later ones. In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A.D. 70-200. The most significant reference to Jesus from this period states:
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."
Evidence from Lucian
Lucian of Samosata was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his works, he wrote of the early Christians as follows:
The Christians . . . worship a man to this day--the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. . . . [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
Although Lucian is jesting here at the early Christians, he does make some significant comments about their founder. For instance, he says the Christians worshipped a man, "who introduced their novel rites." And though this man's followers clearly thought quite highly of Him, He so angered many of His contemporaries with His teaching that He "was crucified on that account."
Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by 1littlewolf
The book is filled with lessons for our lives.
Only someone with little faith can say the book has inaccuracies.
If god the creator of all seen all unseen wanted chapters left out from the book he simply manipulated man to do so.
If god wanted a paragraph changed, he caused man do it.
Why would you think the book of God is subject to the control of man?
Christian believe God and Christ are the same, when it is said that Jesus wrote the book he did, as GOD
To help to understand the book, go to church.
As I have seen here on ATS church is bad
Find a church that has the same viewpoint as you about the gospel
You don’t have to go to church; you could go to a bible study class and meet people with the same questions as yourself
Originally posted by SanguineDenial
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I never claimed that the man was an intellectual sniper. Even a fool can speak the truth some of the time.
Originally posted by iIuminaIi
The "gospel" is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus. The Christians boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew, according to St. Mark, according to St. Luke and according to St. John, but there is not a single Gospel "according" to (St.) Jesus himself! In his life-time Jesus never wrote a single word, nor did he instruct anyone to do so. What passes off as the "GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands!
Originally posted by ronnypeppers
heres what i know the cathlic church removed books in the bible many many years ago including any book written by a woman and the book written by judas
jesus life is in patches in the bible may have to look this up that jesus may have studied as a hindu for a point in his life when he went to india witch isint in the bible and i have no proof of but ive heard this somwhere
the term that says be more like crist we are all children of a god and god knew his children wouldnt get along so he created differnt religions so they could worship him in differnt ways and we where seperated on the earth and spoke differnt languages these things where ment to help us create one world like we have but the evil of man has twisted every religion to where it benifits few and tears the world apartedit on 27-5-2012 by ronnypeppers because: (no reason given)
PART 1: GOOD REASONS TO READ THE BIBLE
1. The world's best selling book
The Guiness Book of Records acknowledges the Bible as the world's best selling book.
"It has been estimated that between 1815 and 1975 some 2.5 billion copies of the Bible were printed ... Since 1976 combined global sales of Today's English Version ... have exceeded 118 million copies." (Guinness Book of Records)
These sales are for only one of the many versions of the Bible available.
If you are a person who thinks the Bible is an outdated book just sitting unread on bookshelves, think again!