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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I hope you are right. The more I pay attention to people around me, the more I feel like an alien....
For example this weekend, memorial day weekend. I hear many people that are supposedly against war, talking up the support the troops hype..... How can you be against war, and at the same time support those that sell their souls for a mere pittance, and do the bidding of the bloodhungry?
It's like saying you are against animal abuse, but support the cock owners in the cockfight rings. It is like being against child abuse, but support the people that traffic children for sex. Etc etc, makes zero sense to me.
I try my hardest to love everyone as my brother/sister, but I still have not found the secret of loving the people that exploit the weak. Try as I may, I cannot relate to people like this. I wish I knew the secret, I cannot even forgive myself some of the things I have done.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
The gift and station of the scribe was a position of honor. Likely, there was a scribe somewhere who realized the significance of who Jesus was.
scribes
I will side with historical context and tradition to see that it is more probable that a scribe recorded the history that was obvious to the trained eye. The format of the entire Bible follows the rules of hermetically sealing scripture. Hillel's Seven Rules of rightly dividing truth verify.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
The gift and station of the scribe was a position of honor. Likely, there was a scribe somewhere who realized the significance of who Jesus was.
scribes
I will side with historical context and tradition to see that it is more probable that a scribe recorded the history that was obvious to the trained eye. The format of the entire Bible follows the rules of hermetically sealing scripture. Hillel's Seven Rules of rightly dividing truth verify.
You draw a very long bow there my friend.
You can be the most studious scribe in the world but when you are describing events which have been orally handed down through 4, 8 or even 15 generations prior to being written they can only be relied upon as a general inference of what may have happened.
You seem to believe that every person that orally passed on the eyewitness testimony must have remembered every single detail with some sort of photographic memory and themselves must have been equally pure as Jesus would have been. But you are dealing with imperfect men who forget details, make up other things and have various motivations and agendas as do we all.
The scriptures cannot be relied upon in any way shape or form as eyewitness testimony because they are not.
As for your 7 rules, I read them and do not see at all how they relate to the accuracy of the New Testament.
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Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
The gift and station of the scribe was a position of honor. Likely, there was a scribe somewhere who realized the significance of who Jesus was.
scribes
I will side with historical context and tradition to see that it is more probable that a scribe recorded the history that was obvious to the trained eye. The format of the entire Bible follows the rules of hermetically sealing scripture. Hillel's Seven Rules of rightly dividing truth verify.
As for your 7 rules, I read them and do not see at all how they relate to the accuracy of the New Testament.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
These people were not cave men around a fire. This was Israel, Egypt and Rome. The method of historical record keeping and recording of scripture was perfected here. The entire language systems of the modern world were derived from literate men and women of the temple tradition. Read the article. Have you seen the movie idiocracy? It's called information entropy. It happens in documents and it happens with people over time. Cycles of intelligence rise and fall. This was the peak of such skills as were needed for the transmission of important events. Truth is Hermetically sealed by Hillel's Seven Rules. Verification comes in the form of context to the larger document. Symbol is the key to unlocking what is said, not the words on the page. This has always been true with scripture. It cannot be tainted once sealed in symbol.
These points aside, belief in God is belief He can manage his WORD. Any other mindset denies the authority on the subject.
There's no point in arguing the context since the Bible produces the history it reveals. Evidence is in the news and in our textbooks.
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by putnamcrab
reply to post by jhill76
Really? that's why we are still in the dark about the truth... that statement is new to the phenome of people waking up to the truth, questioning the lies they continue to shove down our throats like we don't know any better...
What happened to the book judas or mary magdellen?
This is why many turn to the source and develop a direct relationship with him, and not an indirect one through a pastor.
A cohort was originally one of the ten divisions of a legion in the Roman army, containing from 300 to 600 men.
Honi_HaM'agel Honi HaM'agel Honi HaM'agel (חוני המעגל Khoni, or Choni, HaMe'agel , Hebrew for Honi the Circle-drawer ) ( First century BCE) was a Jewish scholar prior to the age of the Tannaim, the scholars from whose teachings the Mishnah (the first part of the Talmud) was derived. During the first century BCE, a variety of religious movements and splinter groups developed amongst the Jews in Judea. A number of individuals claimed to be miracle workers in the tradition of Elijah and Elisha, the ancient Jewish prophets.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by buster2010
Is Alexander the Great an invention of man? The first written account of him doesnt appear until 400 years after his death.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
These people were not cave men around a fire. This was Israel, Egypt and Rome. The method of historical record keeping and recording of scripture was perfected here. The entire language systems of the modern world were derived from literate men and women of the temple tradition. Read the article. Have you seen the movie idiocracy? It's called information entropy. It happens in documents and it happens with people over time. Cycles of intelligence rise and fall. This was the peak of such skills as were needed for the transmission of important events. Truth is Hermetically sealed by Hillel's Seven Rules. Verification comes in the form of context to the larger document. Symbol is the key to unlocking what is said, not the words on the page. This has always been true with scripture. It cannot be tainted once sealed in symbol.
With the greatest respect, if a story is passed down orally for 1 or more centuries before it is copied down (even when it is claimed to be 'eyewitness testimony'), then there is nobody on this Earth you will convince except yourself that this is in anyway shape or form 'accurate record keeping'. You also have to keep in mind the early Christian Church wasn't some well organised temple, it was an underground society run in peoples basements
Ever heard of the game Chinese Whispers?
Also I'm yet to be shown where in your 7 rules there is anything regarding the accurate transmission of stories through word of mouth. As for Israel, Egypt and Rome, 2 out of 3 didn't believe in Jesus anyway and it is widely believed that Constantine and his predecessor's unflinching mandate that everyone be Christian was one of the main reasons Rome eventually failed.
These points aside, belief in God is belief He can manage his WORD. Any other mindset denies the authority on the subject.
You mean your authority....? I'm quite sure God can manage his word. It's man I have issues with.
There's no point in arguing the context since the Bible produces the history it reveals. Evidence is in the news and in our textbooks.
What of all the other reliegions and their Holy Scriptures? Essentially after all your book learning and seven golden rules and Hebrew translations you still eventually have to fall back on saying I'm right about the Bible cos the Bible says I am.
Nice.
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