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posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Thank you for illuminating your opinion of the creation story and biblical account of Genesis. There are several self proclaimed biblical scholars here on ATS, that I know of, that will debate you on this though.




posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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No I only saw demons and one of them was Satan..



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor
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No I only saw demons and one of them was Satan..


Now that's interesting !
Care to elaborate ?



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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Oh but doesn't it? If the 'propaganda' was trying to prep us for the "Demons" of outer space coming to pose as saviors to the human race, it doesn't make sense that they depict them as malevolent. Prometheus, Battle Los Angeles, Skyline, etc. None of these are depicting the 'Aliens' as saviors, which is totally contradictory to the argument of them 'conditioning us to accept alien saviors through movies.'


If anything, the propaganda from the movies seem more aimed at directing and steering us away from them, not learning to accept them as 'saviors'.
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posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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A fair enough proposition.

In answer I can attest to having an experience with what I can only describe as the old man of the palace/fortress.

To expand on Elohim and his claims of Lucifer's rebellion destroying the first Earth and the current creation being a substitute until judgement, I had been intrigued by much of the astral travel and undertook the practice of sorcery (pharmaceutical) and raised energy through relations with my girl at the time and had a brief experience of what can be described as the middle plane.

I would not call it a pleasant experience, but it was most certainly exciting.

The most lasting impression were those yellow eyes matched to a blue face. Not a face you would recognize so much but more the idea of a face.

My research is not complete admittedly, however I have found strong ties from the Zohar and various other texts about a realm where such entities are confined to (currently) between Heaven and Earth.

It is not something to really speak about so openly as 'oddities' begin showing themselves and usually have nothing nice to say.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Oh but doesn't it? If the 'propaganda' was trying to prep us for the "Demons" of outer space coming to pose as saviors to the human race, it doesn't make sense that they depict them as malevolent. Prometheus, Battle Los Angeles, Skyline, etc. None of these are depicting the 'Aliens' as saviors, which is totally contradictory to the argument of them 'conditioning us to accept alien saviors through movies.'


If anything, the propaganda from the movies seem more aimed at directing and steering us away from them, not learning to accept them as 'saviors'.
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I think the propaganda is doing a good job no matter the neg or the pos. You see as long as people focus on Aliens. Or as I believe them to be demons. They spend less time looking for truth. That's why you see, I say it doesn't even matter. And it doesn't in truth.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
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A fair enough proposition.

In answer I can attest to having an experience with what I can only describe as the old man of the palace/fortress.

To expand on Elohim and his claims of Lucifer's rebellion destroying the first Earth and the current creation being a substitute until judgement, I had been intrigued by much of the astral travel and undertook the practice of sorcery (pharmaceutical) and raised energy through relations with my girl at the time and had a brief experience of what can be described as the middle plane.

I would not call it a pleasant experience, but it was most certainly exciting.

The most lasting impression were those yellow eyes matched to a blue face. Not a face you would recognize so much but more the idea of a face.

My research is not complete admittedly, however I have found strong ties from the Zohar and various other texts about a realm where such entities are confined to (currently) between Heaven and Earth.

It is not something to really speak about so openly as 'oddities' begin showing themselves and usually have nothing nice to say.
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Pharmaceutical sorcery! I haven't heard that one before. LOL

Your experience reminds of scenes from the movie "The Doors," with Val Kilmer played by Jim Morrison, and his witchy girlfriend and his escapades in the desert.

Did you see that movie? I found a snip of one of the scenes I'm thinking of.



In another thread I'm following, a poster suggested that the "Bene Alohim" were a previous advanced race,




.....We are not evolving but we are still trying to catch up , as it were. The advanced races that came thousands of years before us in the form of the Bene Alohim and the corresponding Nephilim were so advanced in respect to our minimal achievements it would take us another thousand years to catch up to the astounding scientific inventions that still confound most scientists. In fact, the large majority of these 'scientists' simply disregard the evidence and choose to think it doesn't exist rather than admit they are wrong. Sad, really when to think we could be benefiting from so many things as yet are unknown to most of us. www.abovetopsecret.com...


I found it an intriguing idea.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
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A fair enough proposition.

In answer I can attest to having an experience with what I can only describe as the old man of the palace/fortress.

To expand on Elohim and his claims of Lucifer's rebellion destroying the first Earth and the current creation being a substitute until judgement, I had been intrigued by much of the astral travel and undertook the practice of sorcery (pharmaceutical) and raised energy through relations with my girl at the time and had a brief experience of what can be described as the middle plane.

I would not call it a pleasant experience, but it was most certainly exciting.

The most lasting impression were those yellow eyes matched to a blue face. Not a face you would recognize so much but more the idea of a face.

My research is not complete admittedly, however I have found strong ties from the Zohar and various other texts about a realm where such entities are confined to (currently) between Heaven and Earth.

It is not something to really speak about so openly as 'oddities' begin showing themselves and usually have nothing nice to say.
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Pharmaceutical sorcery! I haven't heard that one before. LOL

Your experience reminds of scenes from the movie "The Doors," with Val Kilmer played by Jim Morrison, and his witchy girlfriend and his escapades in the desert.

Did you see that movie? I found a snip of one of the scenes I'm thinking of.



In another thread I'm following, a poster suggested that the "Bene Alohim" were a previous advanced race,




.....We are not evolving but we are still trying to catch up , as it were. The advanced races that came thousands of years before us in the form of the Bene Alohim and the corresponding Nephilim were so advanced in respect to our minimal achievements it would take us another thousand years to catch up to the astounding scientific inventions that still confound most scientists. In fact, the large majority of these 'scientists' simply disregard the evidence and choose to think it doesn't exist rather than admit they are wrong. Sad, really when to think we could be benefiting from so many things as yet are unknown to most of us. www.abovetopsecret.com...


I found it an intriguing idea.


You have done nothing but mock people for awhile now. How does it make you feel? Strong enough to admit you haven't looked at the evidence yet or are we still talking to the beings channeling through you?



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 03:47 AM
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You have done nothing but mock people for awhile now. How does it make you feel? Strong enough to admit you haven't looked at the evidence yet or are we still talking to the beings running your life for you?



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 04:00 AM
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It's funny you say that 'they stopped looking for the truth' but exactly researchers in UFO Phenomenon are constantly seeking for the truth and newer and newer ideas appear. Also a lot of evidence appears. What does religion do? It stays on the same understanding forever and ever since 1st century A.D.

Wait are you saying that these obviously aircraft seen by some people are some demonic illusions made by demons?
Do I need to go through pages of real proof that unidentified aircraft exist, only their pilots are not known.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Imtor
^ What do you think I mean that RELIGIOUS whacky guys sound like a broken casette recorder - the same sentences and phrases repeat over and over again, there is no thought or 'Hey wait a minute, the events may not be exactly as described' - there is only blind and brainwashed follow... pathetic.



Ha Ha my good man you don't even realize that I follow Christ. Not religion. I have to wonder if you even realize the difference ? Never said anything about debunkers never commanded respect. Now as for low points in this thread if you were worried about them you would realize they begin and end with insults from peeps like yourself. and if I were defending anything as far as Christ is concerned ? Partner, I'm sure I would fail in misery.


Look, I will eat you along with your silly religious claims. I would love to erradicate by force the beliefs you and all such like you have, it seems force removal of beliefs is the only way to make you snap out of it and enter reality.

Who says Christ is not a religion? You believe all about him happened as it is described in some book? Don't lie, all you follow is still a religion and does it happen as it says it did, no you don't care, for you there is no question. DAMN christians


This may be lost on you, but perhaps it may sink in over time.

Luke 2:33-35 "The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him. Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.”

In other words, Yahushua/Jesus was destined from the very beginnings of creation, to CAUSE a divide with Israel, by which the thoughts in our hearts towards His Salvation are revealed. Most agnostics or those of other religions usually state "I simply don't believe in Jesus", whilst your words are beyond venemous. In fact, your words clearly reflect a hatred beyond measure. The spirit of disobedience amongst mankind is the spirit of rebellion against it's very own Creator. Jesus was rejected by many whilst He was in the flesh, yet He and His words are rejected today in the same manner because Jesus sends His disciples into the world AS HE was sent into the world. Just as He was persecuted, we will be persecuted. You see, your venom is not against us, but rather, it is against Him. You are fighting the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His Son. Yes, the armies are building to fight against Jesus, but praise God Almighty, the 'battle' was over thousands of years ago with Jesus declared victorious. His Kingdom will never go away, and we await the day that the wicked are removed from this Earth so that His Righteousness fills up this Earth and universe for the many ages to come. Amen.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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There is a whole little "crew" that keep posting the same crap on ATS....
Have we not had enough of these threads from Revelation Generation and his entourage?



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Tripple_Helix
There is a whole little "crew" that keep posting the same crap on ATS....
Have we not had enough of these threads from Revelation Generation and his entourage?

Actually, I think it is more like a whole little Cult.They all spew the same crap again and again, and my how they love Demons, that is about all they talk about. Brainwashed and Blind.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Wifibrains
A anyone who believes the bible is the gospel is out of there mind.
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Okay, that is funny right there. I get the point as "taking something as the gospel" is a common expression meaning people taking something as certain, but it evolved from the faith that people had in the Bible and the Gospels contained therin. Thus taking something as "gospel" is a reference to the Bible and taking the Bible as Gospel is like dividing by zero.

Anyway, back to the arguement.

ETA: no insult intended to you, just commenting on a turn of phrase I thought funny. Sometimes a little levity, be it intentional or unintentional is refreshing during a serious discussion.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Sorcery comes from the Greek word Pharmakia.

It is akin to taking ayahuasca or drugs like acid and '___'. To a similar degree is using THC to affect the perceptions of the mind.

I take this moment to take a dig at Imtor who has yet to respond to my pointing out the scientifically documented FACT that observation affects reality or rather this material plane.

Crowley practiced it, Freud also used it to explore what he termed the subconscious.

Steve Jobs used '___' or acid to assist in developing his technology.

The magic mushroom is the liberty cap which can be seen on many governmental regalia.

I am not condoning it as a anything good or of the sort merely noting its effects on consciousness.

Clearly there is something here, a connection between mind and matter.


Now to address your advanced civilizations, no doubt there can be what is termed advanced civilizations. In regards to Randyvs proposal one merely needs to look to the Bible and other ancient texts which teach of beings who taught humanity technology. The Bible describes themas the forbidden arts of Heaven such as war, astronomy, astrology, and make-up among other things.

The difference is they are called fallen angels, demons is a common term for negative entities, an archtype if you will.

PS

Why are you citing movies when you have previously denounced them as fiction and having no bearing on reality?

A change of mind or perhaps a Freudian slip?
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Imtor
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And I thought randyvs.. was crazy. Oh damn, you talk like a casette recorder playing the Bible. How does it feel to be a machine or a puppet of the Church? Bot? You can tell best.

There is no God, if there is, he is not what you think. He is justy a hybrid of another race and raised as God but this could be one big deception to make you think that more advanced beings are Gods when they are nothing more than 'more advanced beings; and they decided to control you by calling themselves Gods,

I will call myself God to some tribe and they will worship me. Your lies are endless and unfixable, the Church and Christianity have brain damaged you. That's why only removal by force will change your way of thinking


All I have done is spoken simple truth, I have not attacked nor degraded you in anyway. As this truth is falling on def ears, I will turn the other cheek and stop attempting to clarify your gross misunderstanding of scripture, if you wish to continue beratting others to make you feel secure in your faith (what you believe) then by all means feel free to continue, but our communication is not productive at this point, I am sure you will agree.

God Bless,



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Oh but doesn't it? If the 'propaganda' was trying to prep us for the "Demons" of outer space coming to pose as saviors to the human race, it doesn't make sense that they depict them as malevolent. Prometheus, Battle Los Angeles, Skyline, etc. None of these are depicting the 'Aliens' as saviors, which is totally contradictory to the argument of them 'conditioning us to accept alien saviors through movies.'


If anything, the propaganda from the movies seem more aimed at directing and steering us away from them, not learning to accept them as 'saviors'.
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Set yourselves up as both the cause of and solution to a problem.

If a group of demons pretends to be malevolent, then a different group of demons (playing for the same team) pretends to be benevolent, they would have total control of the battle, it's appearance and it's outcome all for the attempted usurption of God's titles (savior, creator).

The good news is, the plan will fail, but oh the destruction that must take place between now and that moment.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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You have done nothing but mock people for awhile now. How does it make you feel?


You are reading my posts with a tainted outlook. If my point of view and questions regarding other's points of view, offends you, then I believe you need to get a thicker skin, as people on the internet tend to present a mulitude of mindsets.



Strong enough to admit you haven't looked at the evidence yet......


What evidence are you referring to? The Bible? Sorry, but I don't take that book literally, as I stated before. Again, either your not reading my posts, or you're reading them with a tainted and sour outtlook. You don't have to agree with me, but if wouldn't be fair to judge me without actually understanding what I'm saying.



or are we still talking to the beings channeling through you?


I have NEVER claimed to be a channel, nor have I followed any channeler. By the way, isn't the Bible supposedly channeled information?

Who was with Jesus in the desert to relay his struggles with Satan? Did he come back bragging about how he kicked some Satan ass, or was that channeled information? Who overheard his prayer in the garden asking his father to "take this cup away?"

Who knew of Job's s struggles, and wrote of them? Channeled info, dude! Who was with Adam and Eve in the garden when they ate the fruit and lived to tell the tale? Channeled info buddy!



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by randyvs
They are Ancient according to all sources. But are they really so alien ? Or have they been with us right here all along ? The show will often describe them as Gods. And in it's obvious bias hardly ever touch on another theory that is just as valid as any. It even makes more sense then any of the others if we simply consider the scriptures that have told ua about what these beings are, for hundreds if not thousands of years. That they are indeed fooling mankind and leading him straight to friggen hell.

We are fed the lies everyday thru the media. And what I believe very simply, they are what we have been warned about, the whole way thru from the beginning. Just the fact that this is a high probability that deserves mentioning just as much as any of the other theories. Yet is hardly even mentioned at all, even when the show is running out of topics ? Is like a giant neon sign saying to me, Randy ! you couldn't be more correct
in your deductions.

So If you choose to believe lies over what God gives ample warning against and if for warned is for armed. Why trust ? I see so many people making a huge mistake that will someday come crushing down upon them.
Please look at what is really going on with an open mind people ? Before you are crushed under the wieght of your own damned ignorance.


From Satans Counterfiets

This page discusses the resurrection of the dead, or rapture, in conjunction with satan's plan to prevent this from occuring. Satan and his rebel angels will not just sit by and watch God redeem the faithful, elevating mortal man to the position previously held by satan himself and his angels. Satan's plan involves deceiving humans into accepting aliens and ufos, and a global religion based on the occult which will pave the way for antichrist. The main focus of this deception will be to convince humans that the Bible was wrong -- that life evolved on other planets and that these "alien space brothers" perhaps were the ones who created humans ... and the Bible was just a primitive misinterpretation of alien and ufo encounters.


I copied and pasted this without quoting it, to make it easier to read. Here be the source.


This is quite long and I don't blame anyone if they do not watch it. But I'm posting it because I think everyone should have this seeded in the back of their minds at least. As it is in the front of mine. Watch if you choose.



Here's a shorter vid that presents what I'm getting perfectly. Just ignore the part about the footage that was allegedly destroyed.
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I think what Jesus spoke to James E Padgett is true that the bible has truths and does tell about his precious life
But I think Jesus is very upset about calling him God and many things such as him healing a dead person. (Lazarus) is a wrong concept of how he did the healing. Lazarus was not dead totally. The cord of life that we call the silver cord was not totally disconnected. He was merely in a coma. Jesus doesn't want to be called a God. For sure is is in the highest of heavens (celestial) but again doesn't want to be called a God. He is the way but through obtaining the divine love of the father. But with so many grasping to make a living in so many churches of the day, they do not learn the one lesson. Go for what JESUS truly teaches and not half truths of what has been set up by man.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Why are you citing movies when you have previously denounced them as fiction and having no bearing on reality?
A change of mind or perhaps a Freudian slip?


I don't recall denouncing movies as fictional and irrelevant in this thread or any other for that matter. In fact I disagree and believe that art, as in movies, imitates life. Besides, the movie I cited is a true story, not fiction.

Movies, books and the media in general provide a common reality from which we can refer to find at least some agreement, if not in principle, in an exchange of ideas.




I had been intrigued by much of the astral travel and undertook the practice of sorcery (pharmaceutical) and raised energy through relations with my girl at the time and had a brief experience of what can be described as the middle plane.

I would not call it a pleasant experience, but it was most certainly exciting.

The most lasting impression were those yellow eyes matched to a blue face. Not a face you would recognize so much but more the idea of a face.


Although your description of your experience is vague, it reminded me of the movie scene cited. You seemed to be referring to some sort of "sex magic" and a chemical induced experience. The being with the yellow eyes and and clue face, reminded me of the visions that Jim Morrison was said to have had in the desert. I was just wondering if you had seen that movie.

Nothing Freudian or Jungian intended, just bouncing thoughts around.


I am leery of the Biblically imposed segregation upon spiritual entities interacting with mere humans. It happened many time in biblical text, angels appearing as men and talking with chosen people. Why should spiritual instruction stop with John's visions of the Revelations, the last book of the Bible?

There are many people who claim to have been shown things and told things from the other side, some of them are "men and women of God," like some Catholics who say they have been instructed to tell people what they were told by the Virgin Mary, or evangelicals who translate messages that given to other's in tongues.

Are they all wrong and being deceived by Satan? Have we been abandoned by those benevolent souls who abided with Daniel in the lions' den and the angels that ministered to Jesus in the desert after he defeated his demons?
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