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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Actually, you are basing those assumptions off of someone you don't even know. Me. Your arrogance is showing again. Because how could you expect me to admit I might be wrong when you aren't even prepared to do so? Difference is I know too much about the third eye not to know it's linked to divinity.

My whole point to Christianity, is that Satan could already be pretending to be God and that is the Great Deception. If anything, Aliens are much of a grand deception if nobody really believes they exist and scold the topic. What if Satan took over in the beginning and lied to Adam and Eve telling them that God was really the Devil, and that he, the Devil was really god. Would explain the differences between vengeful old testament god, and merciful new testament god. Don't forget the fact that if you read the Genesis story in one of the original non translated versions, the serpent said your 'eye' would be opened. Not your eyes.


The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. - Matthew 6;22


Just for those of you who don't think I've even read the Bible. I have...

Even the Bible says he was a liar from the beginning. What does the word Genesis mean? Origin or Beginning.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 03:02 AM
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"Me I and I know ".

You are so thrilled yourself at every level. Then you can even turn around and call me arrogant.
I think that has to be the most hypocritical thing I've ever read on ATS. But then this thread is about arrogant ancient aliens isn't it ? It's not about you.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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Your quote isn't even a complete phrasing or sentence. How do you expect me to even mount a sophisticated rebuttal, if I have no idea what you are even rebuking??

Too bad you Aliens are demons wagon-riders bore me....

Refer to my avatar for all you need to know.


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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Too bad you Aliens are demons wagon-riders bore me....


I know dude that prolly does suck now that you mention it. I mean knowing that nobody gives a fiddlers flock must be pretty tough for you. I guess I see your point.

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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Why do Christian's act like they are better than others because of their belief in 'God'? That is nothing but pure elitism and arrogance to suggest that anybody other than yourselves are wrong and condemned to damnation. That is totally antithetical to the whole 'Christian' concept. If you can not practice what you preach; Don't preach.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Why do Christian's act like they are better than others because of their belief in 'God'? That is nothing but pure elitism and arrogance to suggest that anybody other than yourselves are wrong and condemned to damnation. That is totally antithetical to the whole 'Christian' concept. If you can not practice what you preach; Don't preach.
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We're not better than anyone, we are simply aware of the Truth.
It is not un-Christian to speak the Truth.
Speaking the Truth is not preaching, not in the sense that you are implying anyway.
We are not suggesting that others' theories of UFOs being ETs are wrong, we are stating it as a fact, because it is.


I find it amusing when non-Christians take it upon themselves to preach their perceived "tenets" of Christianity.

And personally, I make no claim to anyone's damnation because that's not my job, nor is it my business.
Many times a non-Christian's perceived "damnation" from other Christians is actually their self condemnation from their own subconscience.

If hearing the Truth makes you feel condemned, that is no one else's fault but your own.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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Did I say I felt condemned at any point in my post? No. Your entire post reeks of arrogance and pride. You can not know they are evil, because there is a great deal of proof to suggest otherwise. I'm not stupid I know there are good people and bad people on this planet. So there must be good and bad on other planets if aliens exist. To class them all as demons is irresponsible. You are taking the situation with a biased opinion based on your religion or belief system. Here are some statistics for you:

Over 2 million deaths in the Bible along with molestations and etc were contributed to God in the Bible. Satan was only responsible for 10 people. Those 10 people were Job's family, and because God actually encouraged Satan to do it. Now don't give me that crap about 'God doesn't let Satan kill people', because big bad Satan couldn't give two damns about what God thinks as clear by his attempt to usurp his authority. You have no idea that you could in all actuality be worshiping the true bad guy - control, slavery over freedom to do as thy wish.
There are a great deal of things I could pull from your book that are completely antithetical to the Bible, but I won't unless asked to do so. You can't cherry pick the Bible if you want to be a Christian and still believe God is perfect, when Jealousy or Envy, is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. So God can break his own rules? I suppose he can because he's God right? But being a hypocrite doesn't make you perfect either..

You have no right to decide what is 'fact' and what is not based on your own biased opinions. That is pure arrogance and pride.



Pride goeth before a fall.


Don't forget your proverbs you half-ass Christians. It's a shame when the non-christians know more about the perceived 'tenants' of Christianity. This is not anti-semetic/christian in the least as I believe in equality among all people. However, if you want to preach and say you are a Christian, be able to back that up with some common sense and knowledge applied to that Bible.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by stupid girl

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Why do Christian's act like they are better than others because of their belief in 'God'? That is nothing but pure elitism and arrogance to suggest that anybody other than yourselves are wrong and condemned to damnation. That is totally antithetical to the whole 'Christian' concept. If you can not practice what you preach; Don't preach.
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We're not better than anyone, we are simply aware of the Truth.
It is not un-Christian to speak the Truth.
Speaking the Truth is not preaching.
We are not suggesting that others' theories of UFOs being ETs are wrong, we are stating it as a fact, because it is.


I find it amusing when non-Christians take it upon themselves to preach their perceived "tenets" of Christianity.

And personally, I make no claim to anyone's damnation because that's not my job, nor is it my business.
Many times a non-Christian's perceived "damnation" from other Christians is actually their self condemnation from their own subconscience.

If hearing the Truth makes you feel condemned, that is no one else's fault but your own.


This entire post proves that you think you're better than non Christians. It reeks of ignorance, arrogance, closed minded bigotry, pride and an over blown ego. Looks like you're emulating your god! Good job.

I know your kind, with fake smiles and phony compassion, all along distancing yourself from true dialog because it just might shake your blind faith in a dusty old book of lies.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Common sense says that what you perceive as ET, has ultimately nefarious intentions. All of it, the whole she-bang.
If stating that fact makes me arrogant and prideful in your estimation, then feel free to levy your charges.

However, please note that I am not the one reverting to name calling and insults.

I have no right to decide what is fact based on my biased opinions.....but you do? Lol.

You are letting your anger make a fool of you. Everything you ranted about in your reply completely circumvents the issue at hand.

You're angry at God. I get it. But you are allowing your misplaced anger to distract you from unpalatable Truths. The topic of this thread is one of them.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by windword

This entire post proves that you think you're better than non Christians. It reeks of ignorance, arrogance, closed minded bigotry, pride and an over blown ego. Looks like you're emulating your god! Good job.

I know your kind, with fake smiles and phony compassion, all along distancing yourself from true dialog because it just might shake your blind faith in a dusty old book of lies.


You don't know me at all, Wind. To say that you do, then to levy grossly misconceived presumptions, reeks of ignorance, arrogance, close-minded bigotry, pride and an over-blown ego.

I apologize if I have offended you by my interaction with others on this forum, but my comments are to them, not you.
I speculate that you have extensively read my interactions with many on ATS, therefore I feel that I can comfortably assume that you are all too familiar with the fact that I do not distance myself from true dialogue.

All faith is blind.
All faith is subjective.
My compassion is far from fake.
And my Bible is not dusty.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by stupid girl

Originally posted by windword

This entire post proves that you think you're better than non Christians. It reeks of ignorance, arrogance, closed minded bigotry, pride and an over blown ego. Looks like you're emulating your god! Good job.

I know your kind, with fake smiles and phony compassion, all along distancing yourself from true dialog because it just might shake your blind faith in a dusty old book of lies.


You don't know me at all, Wind. To say that you do, then to levy grossly misconceived presumptions, reeks of ignorance, arrogance, close-minded bigotry, pride and an over-blown ego.


You said:



We're not better than anyone, we are simply aware of the Truth.


I find it absurdly ignorant and arrogant of you to pretend to be able to speak for all Christians that you encompass in the word "we."

So people who are unable to buy into or blindly accept the BS stories of the Bible, and deny it as the truth, are all wrong. You are right and aware of "The Truth." They/we are all wrong. You think you know that you're going to heaven, because of your so called truth, and you'll be looking DOWN on the rest of us, who dare to disagree with your idea of god, in hell. How is that not supposing that you're better?

I know your kind, because I was raised in a Pentecostal, Assembly of God, and they all say the same thing. I'm right, you're wrong, you're with Satan and going to hell! I have had the same the argument with my mother and my sister. "We're not better, just right and you're wrong." "We have Jesus, sucks to be you."



I apologize if I have offended you by my interaction with others on this forum, but my comments are to them, not you.
I speculate that you have extensively read my interactions with many on ATS, therefore I feel that I can comfortably assume that you are all too familiar with the fact that I do not distance myself from true dialog.


Let me ask you this. If St Peter asked you to watch the pearly gate, and someone from your life that you loved approached you, expecting to be let in. But this person wasn't a Christian in life, but you had no problem with them otherwise, would you let them in?



All faith is blind.
All faith is subjective.
My compassion is far from fake.

It is not un-Christian to speak the Truth.
Speaking the Truth is not preaching.


Speaking your truth through quoting the Bible is preaching. Do you think true compassion comes from telling someone that their truth is wrong?



We are not suggesting that others' theories of UFOs being ETs are wrong, we are stating it as a fact, because it is.


No arrogance there! You're right, everybody else's experiences or theories are wrong. The so called "facts" that you are stating, come from your idea that the bible says something, that it doesn't. The Bible doesn't say that beings from other planets are demons. The Bible doesn't say that UFO's are demons in disguise.



I find it amusing when non-Christians take it upon themselves to preach their perceived "tenets" of Christianity.


More arrogance from you stemming from your own stereotype of non-Christians. I know as much, if not more, about Christianity as you. I am happy to say that I am not a Christian.



If hearing the Truth makes you feel condemned, that is no one else's fault but your own.


A put down! OH NO, you don't think your better!

This is just another example of your arrogance, hinting at the idea that you think you know the mind of god better than me. I have yet to hear anything from you that remotely resembles anything near the so called truth you keep telling us that you are in possession of.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by windword
I find it absurdly ignorant and arrogant of you to pretend to be able to speak for all Christians that you encompass in the word "we."


If you will look back at the context of the post I was replying to, you will see that it was in regard to a conversation between Randy and someone else. My use of the word "we" was with the understanding of it to represent my agreement with and support of Randy's point of view in this thread. Nothing else, nothing more. I am well aware that I am unable to speak on the behalf of other Christians in most regards. But I have contact with Randy outside of ATS and feel comfortable enough in our friendship to have made a presumption on his behalf in this particular instance.


So people who are unable to buy into or blindly accept the BS stories of the Bible, and deny it as the truth, are all wrong. You are right and aware of "The Truth." They/we are all wrong.


There are very few things that I will go so far as to assume that I am irrovocably correct in understanding the Truth. One of them is the UFO/ET/Contactee/Abductee phenomenon. All evidence, all signs, all occurances, all things associated with and related to are of nefarious and malicious origin and purpose. The only and sole exception would be UFOs that are misidentified as such and are actually man-made craft.
I am ignorant, I am flawed, I am nobody and I learn more from my mistakes than any other educational venue, but I can boldy claim without reservation that everyone who thinks the topic of this thread is not true is WRONG. Horribly, terribly WRONG in every sense, way, shape and form. WRONG WRONG WRONG, PERIOD. And it has nothing to do with whether you believe the Bible or not.
Be pissed off at the Bible, I could really care less. Rant and rave against your beliefs thereof, whatever, I don't care. It has absolutely nothing to do with what is trying to be pointed out in this thread.


You think you know that you're going to heaven, because of your so called truth, and you'll be looking DOWN on the rest of us, who dare to disagree with your idea of god, in hell. How is that not supposing that you're better?


wtf? Are you just pulling sh*t out of your a$$ now? When did I ever say this? Quit letting your resentment towards your family define my intentions.


I know your kind, because I was raised in a Pentecostal, Assembly of God, and they all say the same thing. I'm right, you're wrong, you're with Satan and going to hell! I have had the same the argument with my mother and my sister. "We're not better, just right and you're wrong." "We have Jesus, sucks to be you."


more wtf.
I'm not Panty-costal, nor AOG. I've never told anyone they were going to hell, nor would I ever do something so presumptuously ignorant.
I am sorry that your mother and sister are total assholes, but you need to quit projecting their negative behavior onto me.


Let me ask you this. If St Peter asked you to watch the pearly gate, and someone from your life that you loved approached you, expecting to be let in. But this person wasn't a Christian in life, but you had no problem with them otherwise, would you let them in?


Absolutely. Good thing I'm not in charge of the gate.


Do you think true compassion comes from telling someone that their truth is wrong?

I do when their well-being is at stake. True compassion is saying it even when it will piss them off and make them treat you like crap.


No arrogance there! You're right, everybody else's experiences or theories are wrong. The so called "facts" that you are stating, come from your idea that the bible says something, that it doesn't. The Bible doesn't say that beings from other planets are demons. The Bible doesn't say that UFO's are demons in disguise.


I never claimed the Bible said UFOs are demons. The Bible doesn't have to state it, the evidence speaks loudly enough for itself.


More arrogance from you stemming from your own stereotype of non-Christians. I know as much, if not more, about Christianity as you. I am happy to say that I am not a Christian.
A put down! OH NO, you don't think your better!
This is just another example of your arrogance, hinting at the idea that you think you know the mind of god better than me. I have yet to hear anything from you that remotely resembles anything near the so called truth you keep telling us that you are in possession of.


I can only assume that most of your comments are steeped in the resentment, hurt and anger that you experience because of your family. And for that, my heart truly breaks. No one has the right to treat another human being the way you have stated they treat you. It sickens me when people have this kind of experience with people who claim to be Christians.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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I find it absurdly ignorant and arrogant of you to pretend to be able to speak for all Christians that you encompass in the word "we."


Something people like you Windword will never understand. This is the most corrupt part of mans heart. His finger pointing judgement. Always you cast the first stone. Then point your finger and say, That's him/her. That's the bad guy ! Pathetic.

That and your constant attempts to derail. Post as much as you like. Say what you want, talk to each other if you want. You'll get no more replies from me. It's obvious you would like to see this thread put somewhere else.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by stupid girl
There are very few things that I will go so far as to assume that I am irrovocably correct in understanding the Truth. One of them is the UFO/ET/Contactee/Abductee phenomenon. All evidence, all signs, all occurances, all things associated with and related to are of nefarious and malicious origin and purpose. The only and sole exception would be UFOs that are misidentified as such and are actually man-made craft.
I am ignorant, I am flawed, I am nobody and I learn more from my mistakes than any other educational venue, but I can boldy claim without reservation that everyone who thinks the topic of this thread is not true is WRONG. Horribly, terribly WRONG in every sense, way, shape and form. WRONG WRONG WRONG, PERIOD. And it has nothing to do with whether you believe the Bible or not.
Be pissed off at the Bible, I could really care less. Rant and rave against your beliefs thereof, whatever, I don't care. It has absolutely nothing to do with what is trying to be pointed out in this thread.

You, stupid girl, are the most un-stupid girl I have ever had the pleasure to read, root for, and learn from. Your logic creams the screamin' meanies...and only makes them scream louder.

I, if'n I were them; would capitulate, give up, and shut up. But then again, I'm not them...makes me somewhat un-stupid too if I do say so myself. Keep up the good work. I love watchin' you fight the good fight.


To the naysayers: The "Satan's Counterfeits" theory fits like nothing else as has been stated ad infinitum. It's Occam's. We can't help it that the evidence insults thy hardened hearts and--in some cases--a low-amperage intellect.

I bet none of those still arguing the point has parsed the links given here and re-evaulated their own theorems. The AA hypothesis is GREAT...for a starting point. It somewhat worked for me as an adolescent...but maturity--and a willingness to follow the search for truth wherever it leads--finally led me to the hypothesis that hands down makes the most sense.

Yes they've been here for a long time. Yes, they're coming back. No, they're not E.T. and they did not create you...but they've certainly deceived you.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Thank you Gut for your kind statements, no doubt we will hang out with our Randivious brotha' on the otha' side, and cut up with each other until our sides hurt. Infinity is a long damn time for laughing.

To the haters, this will be my last post on this thread because as Gut has already stated, everything has pretty much been covered at this point, and as we say where I'm from, "It's all over but the shoutin'...."

We are all responsible for our own salvation.
If you truly seek the Truth, THE TRUTH, then take the initiative to educate yourself.

www.boudillion.com...
mysteriousuniverse.org...
www.conspiracyarchive.com...
ufoevidence.org...
mountzion144.ning.com...
secretsun.blogspot.com...

That should get you started.
The connections are there, and the trail is highlighted in bold flourescent marker, but if you still choose to turn a blind eye after reading the information provided at the links above, then you are willfully choosing the LIE.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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Thank you my lil Sista, Gut, Mergatroid, Hydroman, Mods and everyone else who participated rather cleanly here.
To make this thread a success..

Thread isn't closed, so continue if you like, I'm bowing out but will read if anything further develops.

Thank you people.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Unlike Jesus, Buddha's ministry was well funded and he had followers that wrote down what he said, when he said it. Before Buddha died, there were temples and monasteries already in place and were teaching Buddha's words and ways.

It is well documented that these writings originated within the time frame of around 500 BC and are written in Sanskit.

If you can't see the similarities between the 2 teaching, then I feel sorry for you and your small little closed mind.


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Pretty stark difference.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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There are very few things that I will go so far as to assume that I am irrovocably correct in understanding the Truth. One of them is the UFO/ET/Contactee/Abductee phenomenon. All evidence, all signs, all occurances, all things associated with and related to are of nefarious and malicious origin and purpose. The only and sole exception would be UFOs that are misidentified as such and are actually man-made craft.


Again with I am 100% right and all those who disagree are 100% wrong.

Throughout this thread, I have attempted to conveyed the positive experiences that I personally have had with beings that were not from this world. So when you say that all the evidence, all signs and all occurrences are nefarious and malicious, you ignore mine and everyone else, who has benefited from these experiences, and not only invalidate these experiences, but judge them as evil in origin. This is incredibly arrogant and hurtful.

While Christian can talk of their spiritual experiences, we non Christians are mocked, and told that we are being deceived when we speak of our spiritual forays with higher beings.



I am ignorant, I am flawed, I am nobody and I learn more from my mistakes than any other educational venue, but I can boldy claim without reservation that everyone who thinks the topic of this thread is not true is WRONG. Horribly, terribly WRONG in every sense, way, shape and form. WRONG WRONG WRONG, PERIOD. And it has nothing to do with whether you believe the Bible or not.
Be pissed off at the Bible, I could really care less. Rant and rave against your beliefs thereof, whatever, I don't care. It has absolutely nothing to do with what is trying to be pointed out in this thread.


Throughout this thread I have admitted that demonic entities exist and bad experiences do happen. But I have also posed the question of duality. Is everything that is experienced in a spiritual context of communion with another soul, of earth or not of earth, in your opinion evil? Is there only good and evil, and if so, where does that put me in context of my out of body experiences. Am I also a demonic simply because I am out of body?

The way I pray, I experience entities not of this world and they minister to my despair and fear and encourage my endeavors, often offering inspiration and a feeling of hope. I have also been led to magnificent places outside this world. Isn't that what Christians want from prayer?

My questions, suppositions and assertions in regard to the OP's thesis of all aliens being evil have been ignored or answered with Bible verses, You Tube videos of hell, and terse comments of having been deceived. It seems that any one with an experience or opinion that differs from yours or your close friend, the OP's is trying to derail the thread or thinks the thread is in the wrong place place. I don't have a problem with the thread, I have a problem with the cherry picking of the so called "evidence" to promote your viewpoint and ignore the rest.





"]Let me ask you this. If St Peter asked you to watch the pearly gate, and someone from your life that you loved approached you, expecting to be let in. But this person wasn't a Christian in life, but you had no problem with them otherwise, would you let them in?"


Absolutely. Good thing I'm not in charge of the gate.


Good! That shows that you have compassion.



True compassion is saying it even when it will piss them off and make them treat you like crap.


I disagree. When you assert that you have the truth, and continually preached at, telling other that there opinions and experiences are invalid and even evil, when they see it otherwise, is not compassion. It is hurtful and dismissive and smacks of "holier than thou" know it allness.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Stop bickering you buncha snots. TO your damn corners.


Well Im not a xtian but I have found the biblical stories and the talmud/tanach fascinating. In my culture and in the original Hebrew culture, demons werent scary looking. Many were beautiful or awesome ( in teh true sense of the word). It was the catholics and early xtians that turned them into scary pitchfork bearing freaks. It was to scare ignorant peasants into service to the Church and a good xtian woudl be protected from such fearsome and horrid things. Most accounts of demons that describe them as scary.. are simply keeping the Church in business.
My culture was infiltrated by the catholics and they used the same tactics.. or tried to anyway.

I like the Hebrew God.. he scares the hell out of me. Not a kumbaya old man in a rocking chair granting wishes.. but a firey scary badass slay utterly "man of war". Yeah.. thats a God I can fear and respect. Not that old neutered man jesius loves ya thing that the contemporary Xtians worship. Pretty luke warm for a God.


Okay, so anyway.. lets say these "demons" or deceivers are our aliens. They look fascinating or pretty or benign. Not these red devils with horns. The thought is truly a fascinating thingh to speak about if some here can get over themselves or their knee jerk reaction to anything xtian. My culture has few but interesting stories about visitors or men from the sky.. they arent scary. They arent any more scary than our own tales of decievers and bad things. Beauty. More flies with honey. More souls with beauty or technology or whatever the human heart desires to know. Just like before the flood story when the fallen angels came down and the humans KNEW what they were and they were so pretty women went with them and men learned from them and kept company with them.

Fascinating folks.. if you even care to really see the correlations between many religions and belief systems. WIth the thoughtless reactions and hatefulness toward xtians and their religion.. youre missing a very very cool idea.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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I don't really understand this thread...so demons helped the Egyptians build the Pyramids?



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