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Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by randyvs
Uh, i'm just going to step in a bit here and uh.. you say this
Jesus Christ died for you. That you might have life. Ignore that and you're just wrong
Negative. He was dead for what.. 3 days? And was raised and now sits at the right hand of God. How is that a sacrifice? Besides, if anyone can be born unto a virgin, then i'd like to know what kind of magic is at play. Yup, magic.
Jesus was so fantastic and yet no other documentation about him, no statues, no writings, nothing. The church got it's love after the fact thou! When no one can say yea.. i saw that.
Edit: And also, when you have epics like the Mahabharata floating around and considering Hinduism is an actual religion, how am i going to believe you over them?
And where is the proof then? It's circumstantial at best. And don't try to turn it into a "he died for me thing". That's what you believe. When we have historical documents, clay tablets, something besides what's written in the bible to back it up, it's a matter of faith. Besides he can't kill us all, remember that covenant!
Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by DeadSeraph
And where is the proof then? It's circumstantial at best. And don't try to turn it into a "he died for me thing". That's what you believe. When we have historical documents, clay tablets, something besides what's written in the bible to back it up, it's a matter of faith. Besides he can't kill us all, remember that covenant!
And this goes to the heart of this topic. Op is claiming that ufos are manifestations of angels and demons, etc etc. True if you willing to look at it from a christian perspective i watched a few youtube videos on that.
If you don't believe me then your blind or the devil has gotten you! Just as bad as those that make you declare a side so they can start shootin their guns.
The Vatican has actually exorcisms on record, that creeps me out! . Just because i don't believe in what you say, i'm not going to brush you off, i can always be wrong. . And those Ethiopians claim to have the ark too. Graham Hancock looked into that. That's simply amazing.
But going to the ends the the OP is making? Nah.. there isn't even a consensus on what is it much less who. UFO's are still ufos, they are unidentified so far.edit on 30-6-2012 by cenpuppie because: (no reason given)
I won't even bother with your second paragraph. The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is practically indisputable and only a fool would argue otherwise.
Is there nothing else but good and evil, GOD and SATAN? Is there no room for twain?
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by DeadSeraph
I do realize that demons are well documented in many. many religions. But, they're Earth bound demons, no?
Are you asserting that anything that may try to communicate to us from elsewhere, besides the all already confirmed demons, are all demons too?
Is there nothing else but good and evil, GOD and SATAN? Is there no room for twain?
edit on 30-6-2012 by windword because: spelling & grammer
Originally posted by DeadSeraph
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by DeadSeraph
I do realize that demons are well documented in many. many religions. But, they're Earth bound demons, no?
Are you asserting that anything that may try to communicate to us from elsewhere, besides the already confirmed demons, are all demons too?
Is there nothing else but good and evil, GOD and SATAN? Is there no room for twain?
edit on 30-6-2012 by windword because: spelling & grammer
Even if we take evil spirits at face value (which is already a ridiculous idea to science) what does their origin amount to? Lies.
We see the same thing within the abduction phenomenon (lies in regards to where these entities come from) as we do within the paranormal (lies).
How can you trust an evil deceiving spirit when it tells you it is from Andromeda when it's entire purpose in speaking to you is to deceive you in the first place?
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
What? What is "face value"? Are you saying that demons are born from lies and not created by god? I thought you guys said that demons were fallen angels. If demons are fallen angels, then they were created in divinity. No?
What same thing are you talking about? Your assumption takes some wild leaps and bounds there. Do you think all paranormal activity is evil? Do you believe that it is god's will for us to remain trapped inside our bodies and never supposed communicate to via telepathy, for example? Why did god bestow humans with paranormal gifts of awareness then?
Again, you coming from an assumption that all paranormal activity is evil and has an evil purpose. What if that "spirit" leads one to inspiration in their own life, and helps one to overcome their fears, to see their life in a better light? What if that spirit teaches an individual ways to access their inner light? What if that person feels a sense of freedom and belonging to a greater whole afterwards? That is what happened to me. I've had many visitations from loving and powerful beings that weren't of this earth. What if these beings come and minister to those who are lost, trapped and overwhelmed, giving them insight outside of their small little box of self defeat? I'll ask you the question again "Is there nothing else but good and evil, GOD and SATAN? Is there no room for twain?" Is you world as simple as black and white, good and evil. Do you follow the doctrine of duality, that god has an equal enemy that is the opposite of pure good? If so, then where do you fall in this conundrum? My experiences advise me differently. I wouldn't trade the wonderful communion that I have had in the spirit world, from these visitors, for all the real estate in heaven!
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by randyvs
.... I don't need your Savior, because I can swim myself, thank you.
"George Rodonaia underwent one of the most extended cases of a near-death experience ever recorded. Dr. Rodonaia was an avowed atheist who was killed by the KGB, pronounced dead, taken to the morgue for three days and returned to life during his own autopsy. Dr. Rodonaia was a psychiatric researcher who worked for the KGB and later became a dissident.
He was a scientist trained in historical materialism and did not believe in God. Pronounced dead immediately after he was hit by a car in 1976, he was left for three days in the morgue. He did not "return to life" until a doctor began to make an incision in his abdomen as part of an autopsy procedure. LINK
I condemn your arrogance
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by VeritasAequitas
I condemn your arrogance
What will most definitely be condemned in the end is ignorance. The ignorance that would compare Christianity to buddhism.
JESUS: "A foolish man, which built his house on sand."
BUDDHA: "Perishable is a city built on sand." (30)
JESUS: "Therefore confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed."
BUDDHA: "Confess before the world the sins you have committed." (31)
JESUS: "In him we have redemption through his blood, the foregiveness of sins."
BUDDHA: "Let all sins that were committed in this world fall on me, that the world may be delivered." (32)
JESUS: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."
BUDDHA: "Consider others as yourself." (33)
JESUS: "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also."
BUDDHA: "If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon all desires and utter no evil words." (34)
JESUS: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you."
BUDDHA: "Hatreds do not cease in this world by hating, but by love: this is an eternal truth. Overcome anger by love, overcome evil by good." (35)
JESUS: "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."
BUDDHA: "Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade the whole world." (36)
JESUS: "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her."
BUDDHA: "Do not look at the faults of others or what others have done or not done; observe what you yourself have done and have not done." (37)
JESUS: "You father in heaven makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous."
BUDDHA: "The light of the sun and the moon illuminates the whole world, both him who does well and him who does ill, both him who stands high and him who stands low." (38)
JESUS: "If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
BUDDHA: "The avaricious do not go to heaven, the foolish do not extol charity. The wise one, however, rejoicing in charity, becomes thereby happy in the beyond." (39)
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