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Euro crisis: UK plans for rise in immigrants

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posted on May, 26 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
Surely if Greece pulls out of the Euro they will be kicked from the Common Market (EU) as well?


No, there is no mechanism to even leave the Euro, much less be ejected from the EU. The only way a country can do that is if it decides to of it's own accord.


Originally posted by babybunnies
This will negate the "free travel between EU members" theory. Greeks will NOT be able to travel freely around the EU if they are no longer a member state.


Of course they'd be able to travel freely, just like the illegal immigrants who manage to get all the way across Europe to have a pop at getting in the UK, because the nations in between are happy to shuffle them along knowing full well they are coming here, despite the fact they (the immigrants and the countries they cross) are obliged to go to the nearest safe haven, not travel across 20 countries because they want to get in the UK.


Originally posted by babybunnies
Also, who in Greece will have any money left to be able to afford to emigrate?


Getting from Greece to the UK is relatively inexpensive and when you consider that Asian and African migrants who are poor manage to get here, it isn't a huge leap to see the Greeks do it.

Anyhoo, I think the Government is right to plan for this but given the recent debacle over the Border Force I don't hold much hope of them achieving anything.

I think the OP though is fearmongering with talks of security firms being given powers to patrol streets, or having checkpoints to check ID. If people actually knew their rights, rather than bleat on about perceived infractions, you would realise much of what gets posted on ATS about the UK being a Police state etc is total bollocks.

I will say though that the "trial" of downloading phone data from anyone arrested is illegal and I'd hope that a interested party issues a legal challenge to it. If they need a warrant to extract the same data from intercepts, as proposed under new legislation, then how come they can extract it from the phone, without a warrant, of anyone they arrest whether they be guilty of anything or not and then keep it? I would really love to see under what Law the Police seem to think they are able to do this.




posted on May, 26 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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What bugs me is the fact that for years on end these politician muppets have been letting immigrants flood in to England , taking jobs left right and center , and because the Greeks will have no money they dont want them here.

This country is making me tired , i might open a - backbone - shop , i`d make a fortune



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the security for the Olympics is not for that...it is for this and to secure London's square mile as the financial capital....London on lockdown, here it comes.

Rainbows
Jane



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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While we are in the EEC we cannot refuse to let other members citizens in. We cannot stop them from working.

The bosses are only too happy to employ them at half the going rate with little to no employment protection. The media is happy to tell us how lazy we are for not taking low paid jobs that would leave us in debt before we even open the pay packet. The media is also only too ready to stir the pot of hatred. It sells papers.

This has been going on for ages and is about to get worse. TPTB don’t care about countries. The jobs in the UK are not ours they are theirs to give out how they choose and they choose profit over people.

The 'new' rules will hurt us as well as them, the 'foreigners' and will be used against us in the same way. That’s poisoning the well.

The best choice is to stop blaming the victims and stand by them because the other choice is to soon become one of them.

Just maybe the Greeks are not the lazy feckless people they are being made out to be just because they refuse to become economic slaves due to the bankers excesses. If they are then you have nothing to worry about as they will sit in Greece.

On the otherhand if the proganda we are being fed is a lie and we allow the greed of a few destroy Greece then we pay with our jobs.

So I stand by my original statement. Poisoning our well is maddness.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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To be fair, the muppets who let in the flood were Labour who, as Jack Straw has openly said, had a plan to socially engineer the UK into what they deemed to be their vision of a multicultural, socialist utopia. Prior to 1997, the flow of migrants was a fraction of what it became under the Blair Government.

Net immigration was actually falling to below 100k persons by 1997. Within 5 years of Blair coming to power, it had increased by 150%.



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posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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The English complaining about foreigners taking over their country, does anybody else see the ridiculous amount of irony here?

English immigrants burden other countries the aforementioned ailments, take
Malta for example.

England has a long list of nations and people's to apologise too before yas have a sook about immigrants, hardly any of the English migration throughout history was legal.

Pull your heads in

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posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Say's the Australian.....

Anyhoo, it's the UK, not England. If you're going to be an idiot, then at least get your facts right



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Let the Greeks come to Australia, we are trying to massively increase our population and our economy is the strongest in the West. Greeks have already proven they can integrate into Australia, they are economic migrants and we need more people. Come to OZ!!!



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics
The English complaining about foreigners taking over their country, does anybody else see the ridiculous amount of irony here?

English immigrants burden other countries the aforementioned ailments, take
Malta for example.

England has a long list of nations and people's to apologise too before yas have a sook about immigrants, hardly any of the English migration throughout history was legal.

Pull your heads in

edit on 26/5/12 by Pirateofpsychonautics because: (no reason given)


PFFT get over yourself, the English don't need to apologise to anyone. If it wasn't for them the Western world wouldn't exist, and democracy would still be limited to just Europe. In fact the other peoples of the world should thank the English for introducing them to medicine, democracy, technology, architecture, and so on,



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Besides, this isn't about "foreigners taking over", you've come to that conclusion yourself. This is about limiting migration so that the resources of the nation aren't overwhelmed. There is only finite space here and for the past 15 years, we've been on the receiving end of the migration wave from Eastern Europe, Asia and Africa as they travel across Europe to get here.

And isn't it a bit rich coming from an Ozzie, who aside from your colonial origins are still very anti-immigration themselves, despite being a vast nation full of natural riches. After all, don't you guys stick all your asylum seekers on isolated islands in holding centres?



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Pirateofpsychonautics
 


Besides, this isn't about "foreigners taking over", you've come to that conclusion yourself. This is about limiting migration so that the resources of the nation aren't overwhelmed. There is only finite space here and for the past 15 years, we've been on the receiving end of the migration wave from Eastern Europe, Asia and Africa as they travel across Europe to get here.

And isn't it a bit rich coming from an Ozzie, who aside from your colonial origins are still very anti-immigration themselves, despite being a vast nation full of natural riches. After all, don't you guys stick all your asylum seekers on isolated islands in holding centres?


Yep coming from an Australian, I'm assuming you're referring to this great land being taken with no treaty from the original nations? Well, that wasn't 'Australians' that committed that Stu, before the English sent my forefathers out here in chains as slaves to construct a new colony there was no Australia. It's funny how the rest of the world and even most imbeciles here forget that we were nothing but slaves even more recently than the emancipation proclamation in the US in 1863.

And if you read the responses from your countrymen in this very thread you will find many statements of fear with regards to the threat of 'immigrants taking over'.

I, as a citizen unfortunately do not have any power as to the process of asylum seekers here receiving citizenship and the awful conditions they're detained in; it's the people in parliament from the same class as the ones who had us workin as slaves making those decisions.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Pirateofpsychonautics
 


Besides, this isn't about "foreigners taking over", you've come to that conclusion yourself. This is about limiting migration so that the resources of the nation aren't overwhelmed. There is only finite space here and for the past 15 years, we've been on the receiving end of the migration wave from Eastern Europe, Asia and Africa as they travel across Europe to get here.

And isn't it a bit rich coming from an Ozzie, who aside from your colonial origins are still very anti-immigration themselves, despite being a vast nation full of natural riches. After all, don't you guys stick all your asylum seekers on isolated islands in holding centres?


Yep coming from an Australian, I'm assuming you're referring to this great land being taken with no treaty from the original nations? Well, that wasn't 'Australians' that committed that Stu, before the English sent my forefathers out here in chains as slaves to construct a new colony there was no Australia. It's funny how the rest of the world and even most imbeciles here forget that we were nothing but slaves even more recently than the emancipation proclamation in the US in 1863.

And if you read the responses from your countrymen in this very thread you will find many statements of fear with regards to the threat of 'immigrants taking over'.

I, as a citizen unfortunately do not have any power as to the process of asylum seekers here receiving citizenship and the awful conditions they're detained in; it's the people in parliament from the same class as the ones who had us working as slaves of the monarchy making those decisions.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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Speak for yourself there Brother. It was the English that Created Australia, we are no more than a County of England, Like NZ, Canada, US.
The English sent Convicts, NOT slaves, to Australia, mostly petty criminals (in the eyes of the Crown), who stole a loaf of bread or something......They were initially sent to the Americas, until the English-Locals there decided they had enough. Then they sent them to Oz.
Remember, not all states in Australia were convict ones, South Australia was a Free Colony set up by British Parliament as a sort of new utopia.
And You silly Poms....Australia is made up of the same Angle/Saxon/Germanic/Greeco/Roman/Celt tribes as Sunny Ol England. We are the same people. Unfortunately YOU displaced the earlier inhabitants here...but they got their revenge...land rights etc.
Of course, we know that one side of England hates the other, The South hate the Norf, From one village to the next people even speak differently....not to mention the soccer hatred between clubs.
Maybe start the backbone club, deport ALL the Indians, Pakis, Arabs, Africans, Jamaicans etc and let the Greek in. (Tho the weather would kill them after a week.)

Dont forget, The Queen is of German Heritage and Prince Phillip is Greek....so no probs.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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UK Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg says "breathless talk" of "hordes" of EU migrants heading to the UK if the euro collapses is "deeply unhelpful".

He told the BBC talk of the UK pulling "up the drawbridge" was "far-fetched".

www.bbc.co.uk...

Unhelpful? maybe.
possible? yes..

Sounds more like damage control to me than anything else.. perhaps they've read our posts


The other thing to watch along with this is the way Lloyds of London are prepping for a possibel Euro collapse..

The insurance market Lloyd's of London is preparing contingency plans for the possibility of the euro collapsing, its chief executive has said.

With Greece facing new elections in June and anti-bailout feelings high, there are fears Athens may be forced to exit the eurozone.

In a Sunday Telegraph interview, Richard Ward said Lloyd's needs to "prepare for that eventuality".

He said that Lloyd's would settle claims using multiple currencies.

Mr Ward is one of the first bosses of a large UK business to admit he is planning for the end of the euro.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Something has got to give.. It seems we're all holding on by the last threads now..

I was just immaginig the dominoe effect in a pyramid formation.. the 99% are the bottom row, the elite are top 1%, ie the very top dominoe of the pyramid..
What makes me wonder is where are the banks in this equation? How long would it take for the top dominoe to topple? Before or after the bottom row?

If the top row topples long after the bottom, then that could only come about by a sustained financial collapse.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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A quite ridiculous debate going on here.

Greece has seen large amounts of immigration, www.nationmaster.com... and yet now they have troubles they are not to be allowed to take advantage of the EU'S laws? Hypocritical nonsense.

What about the nearly 400,000 or so Brits living in Spain? www.guardian.co.uk... Should they all be forced out because of that nations massive unemployment issues?

There are few 'living wage' jobs in this country. This is not because of immigration but as a result of the failure of successive governments refusal to modernise the nations economy for the 21st century, i.e. massive investment in green jobs, transport, education, apprentices that lead to jobs.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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I'm reliably informed that Job Centers up & down the UK are being inundated by Brits from Spain who, having given up everything in the UK years ago, are now returning from Spain in their thousands.

Many of them are failing the DWP's "Habitual Residency Test" ... that means they won't get British social security or public social housing on the grounds that they've given up their right to such things by abandoning Britain in the first place.

Yet, as it stands, Greeks can come to UK and WILL qualify for British social security AND houses LOL

What a stupid stupid stupid system of immigration rules the UK has.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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That report from the Guardian was in January so I would still suggest there are hundreds of thousands remaining in Spain

Interesting on your point about returning Brits though. Do you know if that is down to changes to the system by the Coalition or the long term rules in terms of emigration and return? Either way, it is ridiculous and socially short sighted to add to the financial problems of any returning Brits by not allowing benefit claims.

Whatever the case I don't think that should preclude others from the EU claiming benefits whilst searching for work.
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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Didn't Children of men have a similar concept because they background of the story shows the UK curbing illegal immigrants




The United Kingdom, the last known stable nation, is deluged by asylum seekers. In response it has become a militarised police state as British forces round up and detain immigrants


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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I think the Habitual Residency Test has applied to social security and housing since the mid 1990's ? It's certainly not new ... I originally came to UK in 2000 and have failed the test four times



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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I am not sure as to how 'up-to-date' this info is, but this might help anyone who WAS resident in the UK untilthey left the country and are now, or about, to return..
The Habitual Residency Test

There's several links in the search for this, but from what I briefly looked at, seem to come from 2009.. ??



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