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Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Well, if there was an intelligence test for voting, that would get rid of about half the democrats and...well...90% of the republicans. It would definitely be easier to have elections.
I substitute teach as a military retiree and I can tell you - regardless of thier affiliation the upcoming generation is generally clueless when it comes to thier role and responsibility as citizens. I'd say 90% of both groups...
They know little or nothing about current events - as a test once in a social studies class I had them look for Iraq and Afghanistan on the world map. 4 out of 12 kids got 1 or the other only 1 got both. (Small rural school - small classes.) They all know who Jay-z is or Paris Hilton and that Snooker was with child.
Awesome!
If only we voted on Snookie's sexual habits we'd be golden.
Subbing for a gym class I had a kid sit down during a game of kickball...
Stand-up, I say. Jim doesn't make us he says....
Who the hell is Jim I ask....
The gym teacher... (Really, first names with teachers...)
Oh, enough said... no respect for authority either. Scary.
I told the kid (a total fat ass - I mean 100lbs over weight) if he couldn't manage to stand for 30 minutes of gym how'd he expect to work?
Oh, I'm going to have a management job where I don't have to do physical labor.... (I looked at his grades D, F, C, B, (in gym ironically) and D. Sure he’s definitely an over achiever.
Right you'll be lucky to work at KFC if you can't follow basic instructions I say...
Beauty of being a sub is I can say what I think...then send them to the office for a zero for the day.
Problem is – neither the kid nor the administration care.
edit on 28/5/2012 by Golf66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
Who are these "stupid lazy people" that "vote in a large block?"edit on 28-5-2012 by LilDudeissocool because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Liquesence
No it's not it is throwing billions for indoctrination for whatever happens to be the political correct tag line of the day.
Trillions have been invested since Carters creation of the DOE and 40 years later Americans have never been more dumbed down and have no clue.
That is the current state of the union because people just can't wrap their head around the fact it has never been a money issue.
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I have to confess, your post has really confused me. On one hand you espouse a philosophy that I think can be described as anti plutocracy, and then you espouse a philosophy of being a pronate of a plutocratic system within the same post.
farmers who do so, and every other special interest group who does the same.
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
Farmers? Even grassroots special interests that are not backed by billionaires, or big corporately funded?
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I might be better able to understand your point which you are attempting to convey to me if you can define the demographic you are alluding to when you state
However, again this thread was about how dangerous it is to have stupid lazy people vote in a large block.
Who are these "stupid lazy people" that "vote in a large block?"
Originally posted by Liquesence
The issue is education in general. While i agree--to a degree--that there is an education "agenda" i also believe that the benefits of education far outweigh the ills, simply because people do not want to themselves educate.
Public education or not, there is a great benefit, regardless of the general ATS "government education/indoctrination=bad" BS.
Think the country is FU? Get rid of education and see...
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
We want our classroom sizes to be below 25, but they are often 30 or more, up to 40 in many cases. But with a comparison of 30 to 1 with administrators, the percentage on administrators should be MUCH smaller, about 30 times smaller, but it isn't.
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
We want our classroom sizes to be below 25, but they are often 30 or more, up to 40 in many cases. But with a comparison of 30 to 1 with administrators, the percentage on administrators should be MUCH smaller, about 30 times smaller, but it isn't.
If you are a certified teacher I won't tell you the same problems don't exist where I live but they are certainly on a smaller scale if you have the ability to move.
The 10 our so schools in our county have a total student body of like less than 1k - they are all K-12 with class size around 10-15.
If you can afford to move cost of living is low you can buy a 3BR house in town for 35-40k and with land depending on the acreage 2-3k an acre outside town.
MIssouri Teaching Jobs (we are District 9)
Worth a shot if you want small class size. Kids are mostly farm kids with little interest in academics - they are all into AG and trades.
tNATCHITOCHES, La., May 18, 2012 — An analysis of government data indicates that half of recent college graduates are either unemployed or underemployed. “Unemployed” is reasonably self-evident. “Underemployed” means basically that they have jobs that do not require a higher education.
Are you serious..Where green with scales and some grey..imagine how we will get treated and looked at.
''We probaly go need some foodstamps to'' ...and a check,we just got here !
Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by Golf66
Damn...The African American humans just came out of slavery, what...in the 1960s…and this is the year 2012.
52 years...Just 52 years...52 years...not a 100 years, not 200 years, not 300 years, not 400 years, but 52 lousy little years of so called freedom for these people and people of other races think its easy to start a new teaching of the new world in 52 years.
I never in my existence on this earth ever figured this myth… Legend type transformation of a slaved race to become better or prosper in such a short span of time and equality…‘that is not and never will be more than?’
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I have to confess, your post has really confused me. On one hand you espouse a philosophy that I think can be described as anti plutocracy, and then you espouse a philosophy of being a pronate of a plutocratic system within the same post.
I apologize if I am not clear - Sir, or Madam. I am (or rather was) a Soldier or more accurately a Soldier and an Officer in the Army. I am certainly no genius and there are many here on ATS who would put my intellect to shame. Plan a mission to raid a compound and extract a target - no problem. Complex political issues - a little leeway please.
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I have to confess, your post has really confused me. On one hand you espouse a philosophy that I think can be described as anti plutocracy, and then you espouse a philosophy of being a pronate of a plutocratic system within the same post.
I mean plutocracy not in terms of the rich but in terms of those who simply have a stake in the enterprise. People who do not pay into the income tax system don't really have a stake. They are sort of betting with free chips from the house. They get back more in tax credits than they ever pay in. They take no risk why have a say in the outcome - sure they want to vote for the candidate who promises more entitlements why wouldn’t they. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I have to confess, your post has really confused me. On one hand you espouse a philosophy that I think can be described as anti plutocracy, and then you espouse a philosophy of being a pronate of a plutocratic system within the same post.
Like my wife’s sister and her 3 kids (3 different dads all unknown) who get Medicaid, welfare, food stamps she got a grant for school and got back 4k in an income tax return on zero taxes paid. Why would she vote for a guy who would take away these bennies. She is too stupid to understand that the money she gets is not as she calls it "free government money" - she has no idea it comes from me and you whose kids go with less so hers can enjoy sometimes a better lifestyle than our own.
As a Field Grade Officer in the Army its no secret (public record) I made six figures. One year she lamented not having the ability to provide xmas for the kids. We flew her out for a month bought her present for present for each for her kids like our own so they wouldn’t feel left out. She was thankful and all. But later she asked for money for groceries – that’s what family is for I say so we send them checks like 500.00 a month. Then she comes to visit again. Her kid is decked out in Tommy Hilfiger regalia (understand I shop at Wal-Mart for my kids and my own clothes as does my wife). We started sending her Debit cards to Giant Food stores after that…
Then my dog bit her kid because he ran up to it and grabbed it by the face – she wanted to sue us? That was the last time I talked to her and the last time I sent her a dime. Entitlement mentality – zero personal responsibility.
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I have to confess, your post has really confused me. On one hand you espouse a philosophy that I think can be described as anti plutocracy, and then you espouse a philosophy of being a pronate of a plutocratic system within the same post.
farmers who do so, and every other special interest group who does the same.
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
Farmers? Even grassroots special interests that are not backed by billionaires, or big corporately funded?
I run a dairy in retirement – farm subsides are not grass roots – its big business with mega money in lobby funds greasing palms from county to State to Fed.
People around here get paid 10’s of thousands of dollars a year for 20 acre plots to “not” grow crops on their land….? This makes sense? They have zero intent to farm – they just buy the land then use the CRP payments to make the mortgage.
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
I might be better able to understand your point which you are attempting to convey to me if you can define the demographic you are alluding to when you state
However, again this thread was about how dangerous it is to have stupid lazy people vote in a large block.
Who are these "stupid lazy people" that "vote in a large block?"
I am talking about the urban and rural poor and uneducated who think that more government – especially a government who can give them what they think is “free money” to make their lives more comfortable. They don’t have the intellect to comprehend the “free money” is either taken from their successful neighbors or printed (borrowed) out of thin air making the money worth less and less.
I am saying start somewhere – help the helpless, I am all for it people fall on hard times. But let’s stop giving money away without any restrictions. In the case of the poor and stupid if they can’t manage their finances stop giving them cash – give them food and housing only, no cash. Make welfare moms submit to depro or novo rings to prevent further pregnancy. Etc.
For the white collar guys, want a bail out, no more bonuses, we regulate you bottom line etc. Until you demonstrate the ability to run things in the black you run things our way.
If my kid (who is 14 god forbid had a kid) sure I’d help her out. I’d help her live at home and help with the kid but she’d be marched to the clinic for some novo-rings or depro shots to prevent further issues. Point is we can’t just give out money with no strings attached. If one demonstrates a series of poor decisions at some point you have to just cut them off.
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
Who are these "stupid lazy people" that "vote in a large block?"edit on 28-5-2012 by LilDudeissocool because: (no reason given)
Good question Buddy! ...I'd say at least 60% of the voting public from both sides (more from the republican side than democrat side of course ...but not much more! )
Originally posted by Golf66
I am talking about the urban and rural poor and uneducated who think that more government – especially a government who can give them what they think is “free money” to make their lives more comfortable. They don’t have the intellect to comprehend the “free money” is either taken from their successful neighbors or printed (borrowed) out of thin air making the money worth less and less.
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
That first part sounds a little raciest to me. Do you recognize why it might sound racist?
Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
And money is not made out of thin air. You evoked the term earlier of "enterprise." As a military officer and using that term I assume you know what it means, and being the case you would be fully aware that the USD is not simply created out of nothing.
Originally posted by LilDudeissocoolDo you know what I am talking about?
Originally posted by billyjack
reply to post by PurpleChiten
Ok I agree. Let's have a requirement that before you can get a ballot you must solve one middle school algebra problem. If that was the case I'll take the bet that that any conservative would beat any liberal. How can anyone believe the tripe about the intellectual superiority of the Marxists who can deny reality. Who's largest voting blocks are all government dependents or illegal aliens without whom they couldn't be elected. The dead person vote would also be out the window.