posted on May, 26 2012 @ 10:06 AM
Originally posted by jerico65
Yeah, just kicking off women and children. Those cowards!
We can agree that survival isn't pretty..
By the time Saigon fell, the war was being fought by the svn , not America.
The war was always mainly fought by the ARVN and they always took the large majority of the casualties.
About 100,000 were evacuated. Another 2000 babies were rescued, too. Should have been more
Oh, and that's not counting the 800,000+ boat people that the US took in.
The original number that the US evacuated runs to about 120 thousand which were mostly educated professionals who had ties to the US puppet regime in
the south and could expect some level of reprisal for their actions, or inaction, during the war.
Congress passed the Refugee Act of 1980, reducing restrictions on entry, while the Vietnamese government established the Orderly Departure Program
(ODP) under the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in response to world outcry—allowing people to leave Vietnam legally for family
reunions and for humanitarian reasons. Additional American laws were passed allowing children of American servicemen and former political prisoners
and their families to enter the United States. Another peak of Vietnamese immigrants to the US was in 1992, when many individuals in Vietnam's
reeducation camps were released or sponsored by their families to come to the United States. Between 1981 and 2000, the United States accepted 531,310
Vietnamese political refugees and asylees.
So we can say 650 000 which is not bad as internet guess work normally goes... Either way giving people a place to stay after you have destroyed
their country is hardly beneficence and there were a additional couple million that fled Vietnam due to the mess the US made of it that may have
appreciated the opportunity to come live in the US.
"Pretty decent"? Wow, your "I hate the US" feeling are really showing through, aren't they?
Yeah, the Communists were pretty decent to the South Vietnamese. All except the ones that were starved, tortured, executed, or put into "re-education
While i can't and wont even try to defend Germanicus for the Vietnamese there existed no south and north so they one's that got tortured or executed
got that treatment for the same reason the Dutch and French citizens turned on some of their own people. It is one thing to make a living under
occupation but it is another thing to turn a profit and gain position by the exploitation and death of your own. As for re-education camps the US
locked up it's Japanese citizens merely because they looked different enough during the war so it stands to reason that if there were a 'civil war' (
not that Vietnam had a civil war or anything) resulting from a foreign occupation in the US after the fact there would be some scores to settle and
some people's loyalty to their country would have to be ascertained?
No, it's not.
The situation in Afghanistan is similar to Vietnam in some ways and not so in many other ways! If you wish to expound on how it's totally dissimilar i
may be bothered to suggest where i see the similarities...
Of course the US armed forces is overstretched in the sense that it is failing to keep it's equipment in good repair while maintaining combat
operations. Depo's in the US are certainly being filled with vehicles in need of repair and the backlog as i understand it is measured in years. In
terms of it's capacity to be able to defend US vital national security i would not be at all dismissive of it's massive remaining capacity; if you get
close enough to a wounded bear you're still going to regret it!
"Bullies" How's your BS agenda working out so far?
Hehe! 'Bullies' is perhaps not the best term but countries have armed forced to at least scare off would be attackers or to intimidate weaker rivals
from trying to gain the some strength by expansion... Germanicus seem to have an agenda but the Pentagon would not set a thousand or more armed or
intelligence gathering camps all over the world as a defensive measure. To suggest such is to make clear that you believe that power can only be
maintain by attempting total control which amounts to physical or at least pyschological attempts at world domination.
Yep, once again, you're pointing out what cowards the US Military is. Just war criminals that will be easily, easily overrun and butchered by
the mighty Taliban.
Oh certain people&agencies expected something like the tet offensive but their data and fears were ignored as the goals seemed too ambitious and the
strategic risks too high.... The problem with a cornered enemy is that they have to do desperate things to regain the initiative and so they did at
whatever costs&risks they needed to assume. The problem with the argument Germanicus is making is that the VPA took years and years to develop the
manpower and organisation to launch such coordinated attacks in South Vietnam and despite failing rather spectacularly at it's strategic aims the US
government had had given them the victory before they attacked by repeatedly telling the American people and it's allies in Europe that the VPA/
NVA/vietcong were a spent force. As such the VPA 'won' ( which is the wrong word considering it's casualties) merely by being able to organize the
attack and take unexpected large risks.
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