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Updates - Answers from an Alien from Andromeda

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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Since you brought it up and said I could not show where you made the claim that you were the child in question in Crowley's writings here it is in your own words link below..Because you claimed I could not back up that statement with your own claim, and you said it as a test I'm sure that I could not back it up, there is your own writing, and your own words. I feel that posting this is now fair game as you claimed it didn't exist both yesterday AND today, on that site, (You claimed you could not find it anywhere on the site I linked) and today by claiming you never claimed to be the "child"



"I am the Child from the garden, a true medium of the first age of 418." this is the first version of the first message. It should read: "Child from the garden, a true medium of the aeon." To maintain strict acuracy. This child is identified by the number preceeding the word 'abk', this number is 4638, and identifies the child in this case as Anthra-Andromda. This will be dealt with in full later.


SkepticFiles - Anthra-Andromeda File Folder Mys1

I'm sorry, I know what valid data is, I've seen others try to hit you with arguments about the validity of your data, and your conclusions, you always rip them apart with mysterious techno-babble or superiority complexes, that none of us know how to read or interpret and that we need to be you to understand.

Honestly I was quite happy with your proof at first had it held up to even the most minute scrutiny, It would have been great to have someone finally prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were other people in the universe, you just didn't do that though, and anyone who claims you're not all there gets an earful about how inferior they are or how bad they are at reading data or how they have no clue. That is where you failed MY test, had you been telling the truth, you wouldn't expect anyone else to put out money to repeat a test you did, you would be able to show all of your calculations beyond a shadow of a doubt, you have not, you show where you punched things into an online database, and came up with this story, sorry that's not research that's taking facts, and molding them to fit your idea.




posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Just because someone feels another is full of it does not a "knowledge management specialist" make them.. I personally believe in extraterrestrial life, I have stated over and over there's gotta be, I do not believe ANTHRA is an extraterrestrial.. there's a huge difference.

I also fo not believe that Captain Bill is channeling a person called Mythi either, and in this case the two go hand in hand...



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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And finally on the Peter Khoury story you're using as your proof as well two quotes which sum up the story pretty well from someone that researched it....


The good news is that, if you can make it past the absolutely heinous details, you will see a tale of such stuttering goofiness, such incomprehensible ridiculousness, such jaw-dropping lunacy, that you will be richly rewarded. If you are made of stern stuff, of stalwart countenance, of absolutely iron-clad stomach, I would urge you to read on, but that would be to misrepresent this tale. One does not read it; one exposes oneself to it. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.



I’ve not been able to track down an actual report from the actual scientists that carried out the testing (yes, having a Ph.D. in materials engineering means that I’d be able to make at least some sense of a scientific report even though it’s not in my area of expertise.)



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
 


Just because someone feels another is full of it does not a "knowledge management specialist" make them.. I personally believe in extraterrestrial life, I have stated over and over there's gotta be, I do not believe ANTHRA is an extraterrestrial.. there's a huge difference.

I also fo not believe that Captain Bill is channeling a person called Mythi either, and in this case the two go hand in hand...


Okay, fine, I get it, you don't believe it, great, that's your right, but as I said at the beginning of the thread - how many times do you want to tell us?

I'm interested in discussing the content of these tapes- that is my right (according to ATS) - not debunking them - if you want to debunk them fine but I could care less.
edit on 6-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: addendum



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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I just love the way you post negative comments, and thoughtfully forget thesource.

Your "sourceless debunks" will not work. Plus I don't see anywhere that attemts to show how / where the science is faulty; in either case.

Face it, as frustrating as it may be, you too, have failed to debunk. Whats interesting is that you failed for the same reasons as all the others. I'll let you ponder the root cause of your failure.

Netaab?



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
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I just love the way you post negative comments, and thoughtfully forget thesource.

Your "sourceless debunks" will not work. Plus I don't see anywhere that attemts to show how / where the science is faulty; in either case.

Face it, as frustrating as it may be, you too, have failed to debunk. Whats interesting is that you failed for the same reasons as all the others. I'll let you ponder the root cause of your failure.

Netaab?


The source again is only you for your results.. and numerous people for debunking your results, if it were just me I could admit hey maybe I'm missing something, but when it's a multitude and even your own words which you claimed to never have written, well.. tells an entirely different story..

Interesting that to both Alpha and Myself you have never acknowledged your own words, you gloss over them with generalizations.. You have now failed my second truth test..



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Damn, that was a huge distraction.

My original intent hee was to try and determine if Mythi, and thus the message was fom an Andromedan Faction. I know it is not from mine, as it was not authorized. But, that does nt rule out "rgue" groups, that may be wishing to assist as well. Many of these have very talented telepaths, and could easily gather information and subsequently pass it along to a Terrestrial.

Anyway, I wil go back and listen to the message again, and restart my research.

Etharzi od Oma.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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You want the debunker source fine here goes:

Iron Skeptic on Peter Khoury Case

Now you can't say I didn't provide you with the source, again, for someone who claims to be as intelligent as you are, has somehow contributed to the making of these giant databases we all use, you certainly can't find anything out on your own except what fits your cause.. That's test 3 failed.. Lack of simple search... This was just the FIRST of about 24K pages that came up debunking this man's claim..

Your writings show up far too often on debunkers sites as well, my frustration is gone, I now feel pity for you, that you had to go and create this hoax about yourself.. Face it, no matter what supposed evidence you put out, none of it points to anything special or unique or even remotely alien..



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by vkey08
 


I just love the way you post negative comments, and thoughtfully forget thesource.

Your "sourceless debunks" will not work. Plus I don't see anywhere that attemts to show how / where the science is faulty; in either case.

Face it, as frustrating as it may be, you too, have failed to debunk. Whats interesting is that you failed for the same reasons as all the others. I'll let you ponder the root cause of your failure.

Netaab?


The source again is only you for your results.. and numerous people for debunking your results, if it were just me I could admit hey maybe I'm missing something, but when it's a multitude and even your own words which you claimed to never have written, well.. tells an entirely different story..

Interesting that to both Alpha and Myself you have never acknowledged your own words, you gloss over them with generalizations.. You have now failed my second truth test..


What in the Hell are you talking about?

Show us the "words" I've never written. Stop with your ad hominem, baseless accusations, insinuation, and all the cr**. Either back up what you say, or kindly, shut up. So far, you have said absolutely nothing, and your noise continues.

Ya know, I had hoped that something positive might come out of discussing this evidence. Unfortunately too many Terrestrial Humans, while "professing" to "beleive" in ET, turn fearful when confrnted by any sort of manifestation of ET, and, like you, attack vehemently, mercilessly, without thought or reason, course, then again, you do that to anything "outside" your comfort zone.

Etharzi od Oma



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
 


Just because someone feels another is full of it does not a "knowledge management specialist" make them.. I personally believe in extraterrestrial life, I have stated over and over there's gotta be, I do not believe ANTHRA is an extraterrestrial.. there's a huge difference.

I also fo not believe that Captain Bill is channeling a person called Mythi either, and in this case the two go hand in hand...


Okay, fine, I get it, you don't believe it, great, that's your right, but as I said at the beginning of the thread - how many times do you want to tell us?

I'm interested in discussing the content of these tapes- that is my right (according to ATS) - not debunking them - if you want to debunk them fine but I could care less.
edit on 6-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: addendum


I did discuss the content, you ignored it.. You went on a tangent calling me names and referring to me as a Knowledge Management Specialist, and you did it again in your post before this one.. Content of the tapes/recordings is a what's what of ATS's front page at or around the time that the tapes are made.. I'm guessing Captain Bill is a member here and reads the site index quite often..



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Did you not see above where i posted your own comment? Did you not see where Alpha posted you own comments and links to your comments on other sites? Huh? Are you for real??

Here it is again for you in case you missed it in my first post back to you:


"I am the Child from the garden, a true medium of the first age of 418." this is the first version of the first message. It should read: "Child from the garden, a true medium of the aeon." To maintain strict acuracy. This child is identified by the number preceeding the word 'abk', this number is 4638, and identifies the child in this case as Anthra-Andromda. This will be dealt with in full later.


And again the SOURCE of your own words...

You claimed in an earlier post you never said you were the child referred to in Crowley's writings, but on that expose you did you clearly referred to yourself as the child of the Garden as referred to in Crowley's writings..

I'm sorry but you seem to be glossing over anything anyone puts up that you have written and saying we didn't, talk about misdirection..



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08


I’ve not been able to track down an actual report from the actual scientists that carried out the testing (yes, having a Ph.D. in materials engineering means that I’d be able to make at least some sense of a scientific report even though it’s not in my area of expertise.)


It's always this sort of soulless, insectoid, pedantic gnat-straining that is the basis of any pseudo-skeptical argument. It's always about credentials, or arbitrary judgements of what is or is not a "credible/reputable source," or who has "scientific prestige."

In other words, there is a relentless promotion of the institutional, ego-gratifying circle jerk, that has nothing whatsoever to do with actual human experience, or even in strict terms, the scientific method itself which they claim to hold so dear, but in reality commit routine defilement of.

New scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment.
-- Max Planck

Va fangul, skeptics. You have my undying, visceral contempt. You are in truth traitors to science, and you either ignore or know nothing of its' origins.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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How many ways can One fail to understand data, abuse data, arrive at conclusins that have little to n basis in science, nevermind, logic, and still have a professional degree? How lng can they continue to ignore logic and intelligence?

As as former "profiler" you should know that there are many eole ut there who wil say anything to suort their wn "reality". You accuse me of that all the time.

Yet fail to see the same in yourself, or your sources. Time for some introspection.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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You again.. refuse to reply forgetting everything else, to YOUR OWN WORDS..... Your own writings, your own ramblings.. Give me some data that hasn't been already disproven and I'll listen, you haven't done any of that you keep going back and saying things like "look at yourself" and "You dont' understand data" I understand it far too well, you're reaching for something, you dont' know what and you are trying to fit together facts and figures that may or may not prove your point with no independent research.. something you keep blasting us with, peer review, well yours isn't, why should I believe your results over someone else, it comes down to quality and quantity..

More people have debunked, discredited and torn apart the basis for your results than have been able to replicate your results, that in itself using pure reason goes to the end result that you are either "mistaken" or "deliberately trying to mislead"

@Petrus: I have nothing against you, I have said it too many times to count, I believe in extra terrestrial life, and I believe that our government is hiding something, that something I don't know what it is, but i'm sure it's big.. I am also sure that if it came out we'd all be in awe and wonder, I just do not believe a word of what Anthra is saying, he has contradicted himself, made himself out to be a saviour made himself out to be the "child of the garden of the aeon" amongst other things, he has been routinely shown to lie and mislead in other threads, and this has to end for everyone's sake, he does no justice to people seeking the truth by continuing this charade.. That is my whole point in this matter, not to debunk aliens as a whole, that would go against what i wholeheartedly believe in, but t debunk Anthra, and the Hoax that he is pushing...



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
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Damn, that was a huge distraction.

My original intent hee was to try and determine if Mythi, and thus the message was fom an Andromedan Faction. I know it is not from mine, as it was not authorized. But, that does nt rule out "rgue" groups, that may be wishing to assist as well. Many of these have very talented telepaths, and could easily gather information and subsequently pass it along to a Terrestrial.

Anyway, I wil go back and listen to the message again, and restart my research.

Etharzi od Oma.


Thanks for talking about the OP Anthra. It might be helpful to watch the last couple of videos first. I would like to get your opinion as you seem to know a lot about Andromedans - obviously. In some videos he talks a little about Andromeda and other space races who with which they have contact - but it is spread all over. I'm going to have to take a couple of hours and jot down the main points for each video to help people who are just interested in certain topics.

I think there is a link to the text PDF of the videos as well on the youtube channel which may be faster.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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something you keep blasting us with, peer review, well yours isn't, why should I believe your results over someone else, it comes down to quality and quantity..

More people have debunked, discredited and torn apart the basis for your results than have been able to replicate your results, that in itself using pure reason goes to the end result that you are either "mistaken" or "deliberately trying to mislead"


What "someone else's" results? And, if you want my results verified, in a lab, I've already offered to give a sample. You pay for the lab work, share all results.

Please show me ne, just ne person who has successfully debunked me. The only person to ever discuss this in an intelligent manner, agreed with me, that there is not suffecient data for "roof", But, the data was interesting.

You and all of the others, leave out "selected" bits of data so that it will fit your "reality". That is faulty data analysis, no matter how you slice it.

So, again, either start discussing this in a logical, intelligent, scientific manner, or go away.

ETA: I just thought of a "term" for thse like ou: "Pathological Debunker".

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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08

I did discuss the content, you ignored it.. You went on a tangent calling me names and referring to me as a Knowledge Management Specialist, and you did it again in your post before this one.. Content of the tapes/recordings is a what's what of ATS's front page at or around the time that the tapes are made.. I'm guessing Captain Bill is a member here and reads the site index quite often..



Umm, I mostly saw debunking, don't recall much if any "discussion" that didn't invovle debunking, but I grant you your last sentence above does actually involve discussion - bravo.

I don't think Captain Bill is a member here by virtue of the botched english on the videos - he claims to be Brazilian - I see no reason to doubt that - but he may have been visiting the Brazilian version of ATS when these tapes began to be made. But to the crux of your point - if he was just making this up based on what was in the news - why not just release it in one long movie or a couple/few as most do on youtube.

Also, though the general topics may be similar, there is a lot of specific info that I have not seen elsewhere on the net, like bibliotecapleyades - and some of his info is quite contradictory to that found on Zetatalk.

Let me ask you a couple of questions Vkey.

Do you think there are paid posters on the internet and/or internet persona management software?

If aliens and/or Planet X did exist, just for the sake of argument - then it follows it is one of the biggest coverups of all times - you don't think the CIA/NSA/DIA or whatever alphabet soup agencies would not be sending paid posters on to blogs like this to aid in the coverup and the perception management?



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Just ignore them Anthra - the goal is to emotionally engage you and distract from the main topic.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
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I just do not believe a word of what Anthra is saying, he has contradicted himself, made himself out to be a saviour made himself out to be the "child of the garden of the aeon" amongst other things, he has been routinely shown to lie and mislead in other threads, and this has to end for everyone's sake, he does no justice to people seeking the truth by continuing this charade.. That is my whole point in this matter, not to debunk aliens as a whole, that would go against what i wholeheartedly believe in, but t debunk Anthra, and the Hoax that he is pushing...


More baseless accusations. Present your evidence.

You should accept that: you are wholly incapable of debunking me. For that which yu seek does not exist.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Anthra, I would encourage you to focus on what you would want to communicate, if they were not here. As someone else has said, their goal is to cause people to spend so much time in the futile effort to appease their skepticism, that nothing of greater worth ends up being said.

Perhaps we should start another thread? If the debunkers join that one, we will simply have to ignore them. Either way, we need to stop responding to them, and focus on more legitimate conversation.



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