How Are Plants Aware of the World Around Them? , page 1


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reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 09:42 AM by NowanKenubi
reply to post by fockewulf190



I have a plant at home that grips on things to extend itself. It goes directly to bars that are far from it, without hesitation. I should try an experiment with it and move the bars when it is close to it to see how it will react. The plant is suspended and doesn't touch the wall. How did it know where to go to get a grip on something?

I've come to think that maybe leaves are some sort of visual sensory organ. Not seeing as we do, but still seeing what is going on nonetheless.


reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 09:47 AM by minor007
www.theosophy-nw.org...

www.rawgosia.com...

my.aspb.org...

if u want more info on plants awareness just put in google plants awareness science
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reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 09:56 AM by colin42
reply to post by fockewulf190

We seem to take for granted things we see everyday and yes I agree plants are much more complex then first glance would have us believe.

My view is they do not have to know whats going on, just survive long enough to pass on its genes. It does this with thousands of seeds and fungi millions of spores. This is where I believe their strength to overcome change really lays. It is not a concious reaction but rather more like a spread bet.

The offspring that attract pollenators will go on to set more seed. If being selected for by a bee is an advantage to the bee and the plant a relationship will soon be set with the bee selecting for the most pollen and nectar which in turn means the plants that offer the most pass this on and we see the result in the sometimes very complex relationships that you mention in your OP. Akin to farmers selecting the best seed.

Most plants have roots and many actually 'defend' their plot from other plants by secreting toxins. There is also evidence that plants are sensitive to hormones/pheromones emitting from another plant that is infested with greenfly and even if the surrounding plants are not suffering an attack they to begin producing chemicals to resist insect attack.

Good subject OP Star and flag.


reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 09:59 AM by NowanKenubi
reply to post by listerofsmeg



There is a tree in Africa that will kill you if you eat its leaves, by secreting a substance that will harden like cement in your stomach. Close trees of the same specie that are not attacked will immediately start secreting the same stuff in advance. At least, we know they can communicate.


reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 10:32 AM by fockewulf190
reply to post by minor007



What I am trying to find out is not their reactions to Indian musical instruments or the polygraphic results of electrodes stuck on leaves, I want to know what biological system a plant uses to identify and analyze the capabilities of animal and insect life within it's immediate vicinity. It must exist because observable symbiotic relationships between plants and other organisms proves that it does.
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reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 10:56 AM by minor007
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well if anyone can answer that they be having an nobel prize right now. No one really knows however if you take the gaia Theory and believe that quantum mechanics is the way our consciousness is achieved, then it is not too difficult to see how plants are aware. Quantum plays apart in all living systems and if at the quantum level everything is connected then there lies the answer to your question.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.nature.com...
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reply posted on 25-5-2012 @ 11:22 AM by fockewulf190
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Colin thanks for that reply. The plant world is full of mysteries, that is for sure.


reply posted on 26-5-2012 @ 07:12 AM by Thain Esh Kelch
Originally posted by fockewulf190
I want to know what biological system a plant uses to identify and analyze the capabilities of animal and insect life within it's immediate vicinity. It must exist because observable symbiotic relationships between plants and other organisms proves that it does.

the FLS2 receptor recognise bacterial flagellin (The "tail(s)" if you will, and is the major receptor that activates defense against biotrophic bacteria. The EFR1 receptor which recognise a bacterial elongation factor, is also quite important. CERK1 recognise fungal cell wall chitin. Loads of other receptors known of course, but those three are some of the most famous ones, due to their significance. For insects, defense relies more on the release and detection of various DAMPs from tissue that gets torn apart - SAR is quite important in that aspect.

Originally posted by minor007
well if anyone can answer that they be having an nobel prize right now.

Not really, but a few Nature papers.


reply posted on 26-5-2012 @ 07:37 AM by zachi
reply to post by fockewulf190



Most of you answers are from evolutionary thinkers. I am not one of them. I would forward the notion that plants did not develop a system but were endowed with a system that allows them reactions to the enviornment. Some plants have retained this ability.
You may ask the mechanism for this system. I would ask what is the mechanism for your awareness of the ennviornment? Plants also sense and retain information only they don't have a centalized area to do so. It is diffused throughout the plant. That would make sense since plants can be cloned by cuttings.
We have vocal chords and other complicated mechanisms to allow speech, plant communication is on a much more basic level. IMHO scientist won't find it because they are not looking for it. I would speculate that is may be as basic as subatomic. If plants release a barage of yet undiscovered paritcles, or if quarks escape with messages, who would ever suspect the plant of doing anything? Just a thought, but I love the many examples of plant awarness listed here. '
Plants may also have souls. There is some research the shows missing parts of plants still appears in the energetic signature, just a missing humans limbs do...



reply posted on 26-5-2012 @ 07:39 AM by silo13
reply to post by listerofsmeg


i beleive there is a type of fern that if damaged or eaten it lets of a signal to the other plants which then alter their chemicals to taste more bitter.

I've read the Acacia plant does this. When one if getting nibbled by giraffe? It gives off a signal and all the Acacia downwind turn their leaves very bitter and poisonous to some extent.

AMAZING STUFF THAT!

I'll try to find the info and post it.

peace


reply posted on 7-6-2012 @ 07:25 PM by hadriana
I had to switch to a more friendly keyboard.

There are a lot of proven instances of plant communication and plants being able to identify other plants with a similiar genetic makeup IE clones vrs. other plants of same species but different parents.

If you think about it from an evolutionary standpoint, if plants are always eaten, trampled, torn by wind, ect....any being that has chosen to remain fairly stationary will need a genetic response to allow that. It would make sense not to invest one's nervous systems or sensing capabilities in a centralized location, but rather, to put it in nodes that are replaceable.

Now, we've got, IMO, a big problem in science with looking at nerve communication.

For instance, if L. Turin's theory of Vibration is correct for olfactory sensing, and I do think it is, then how does an insect communicate olfactory smell to their brain? IE if there are no dendrites, how does this communcation take place?

We've just got a lot of work to do but first we have to have scientists that really get quantum effects and neural networks - and, well, IMO too many of our scientists are graduating too fixed on their field of study....when what would really blow things open, IMO are more scientists and thinkers with more exposure to other sciences, because, IMO, everything is coming together. Biology/chemistry/physics/information theory.

Then there is a problem of access to this information. IE there's a text book on plant communication I'm drooling over, but it's 250 bucks.

I'm fascinated with it. Once I sat at an amusement park and realized that the trees were all bending away from the rides where there was a lot of screaming. I pointed it out to my party and then everyone could see it. A lot of times I can see plants doing things others do not noticed. I love them. I guess that is why, I dunno.
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