Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
No no, sir. You are misinterpreting what I have said. I only stated the "3:2 or 2:3" to cover in case I had written it like that previously. You could
make a ratio of Venus Day / Earth Year and create any order you want in it. VenusDay:EarthYear or EarthYear:VenusDay. It just so happens that if you
order it in one way it is "3:2". I am well aware that a perfect fifth is 3:2 and not 2:3.
Before you go into any
furthermores try to understand what I wrote -- I know it's a bit complicated for your rehashed New Age agit-prop
puff-piece.
O.K. let me repeat this real simple for you and the other simpletons.
You have stated it can be either 2:3 or 3:2 and I am saying that your declaration of such is admittance that you are using the Golden Ratio aka the
Fibonacci Series. You have then stated you are aware that the Perfect Fifth is 3:2 and not 2:3 and I am saying
you are wrong -- the Perfect
Fifth is non-commutative which means that for 2/3 is it C to F and for 3/2 is it C to G.
O.K. commutative math is the basis for all Western symmetric math. Try reading math professor Ian Stewart's book -- Why Beauty is Truth: A History
of Symmetry. O.K. quantum physics -- the foundation -- is non-commutative but it has to be converted back to symmetric commutative math using the
Poisson Bracket as Stewart explains.
So you don't realize the doo doo you've stepped in. Thanks for clarifying just how ignorant you are of these issues. I have provided the information.
You can read it again and study it -- you can go to the Devil's Chord thread for more information.
Again if you are using the Perfect Fifth as 3:2 then you are assuming a logarithmic measurement of music ratios which goes against all the nonwestern
music in existence that does not rely on logarithmic tuning.
Surely you acknowledge that music exists outside Western cultures right? The most common music intervals found in all human cultures are the
Perfect Fifth and Perfect Fourth and Octave -- the 1-4-5 music intervals.
Again those intervals are non-commutative based on the Harmonic Series. In order to have Western music tuning then there has to be an irrational
commutative or symmetric tuning system - and this goes against the Harmonic Series. O.K. so you are using 13:8 as your ratios -- these are natural
number ratios but you are assuming they are converted to a logarithmic form because you are using the Perfect Fifth as 3/2 and not 2/3.
If you use the Perfect Fifth as 2/3 then it is not commutative -- so if you only use the Perfect Fifth as 3/2 then it is commutative. The Fibonacci
Series as the Golden Ratio can be both 2/3 or 3/2 while the Fibonacci Sequence like the Harmonic Series diverges so by reversing the order then you
reverse the order of infinity.
This is how Euler proved that the value 1 equals the value zero -- by reversing the order of the Harmonic Sequence -- in other words it's
non-commutative. This is allowed in quantum physics with the infinite potential - just check out the Quantum Zeno Effect. In other words this is
called
time-frequency uncertainty because time as the wavelength is not just the inverse of the frequency -- they can not be contained by a symmetric
equation.
So for example again time is the inverse to wavelength by the Law of Pythagoras but in relativity as the frequency of energy increases then time slows
down and this goes against the Law of Pythagoras. The only way this paradox was solved by quantum physicist Louis de Broglie is to create what he
called the Law of Phase Harmony -- so that there is infinite phase as consciousness when the frequency is zero.
This can never be measured using technology because again the infinite phase has to be squared as amplitude probability -- but de Broglie argued the
infinite phase was a real wave form guiding the photon or subatomic particle - guiding it faster than the speed of light. So this is the quantum
entanglement - and so if the waveform as the Schrodinger Equation is detected at 1 million times per second then the collapse or decoherence of the
waveform is delayed from say a femtosecond to a nanosecond. This means that the infinite phase guides the photon or electron, etc.
O.K. so that is time-frequency uncertainty in action -- it's very different than using a logarithmic measurement. For example the logarithmic or
exponential decay rate of radiation can be slowed down or sped up by using the Quantum Zeno Effect.
So quantum physics is non-commutative unlike the New Age classical Golden Ratio bunk that the CIA promotes as Freemasonic religion.
Quantum physics is also the foundation of science - so unless people understand quantum physics then they don't understand the limitations of the
Golden Ratio/Fibonacci Series.
edit on 26-5-2012 by fulllotusqigong because: (no reason given)