"Are you a mason?" "Of course I am!"

Originally posted by stormson

Originally posted by SubPop79
What is even the point of being a freemason? If it is just some bull# club you can say you are a part of, is there any point?

the point of masonry is to join a group that helps others. check out the shriners hospital.

when you join masonry, you adopt a set of values, chief of which is to help others. you also join a long heritage of great men. also, the masons have a philosophy to help "good men become better men". ive seen masons show up on an old persons door step with a wheelchair they needed. no charge, didnt tell her who got her the chair, just left it with good wishes.

youre free to leave at anytime, so long as you keep the "secrets" (however, since you can find everything on the net already, there are no real secrets). do you know why you have to keep the "secrets"? to prove youre a man of your word. nothing more.

Hahahahahahahaha, Here's a quote from a 1986 article in the Orlando Times

"The Sentinel reported that in 1985 the Shriners kept a whopping 71 percent of the money raised, about $21.7 million. This went to pay for a range of clubhouse expenses, including the upkeep of private bars, restaurants and golf courses. They also used the money to pay for conventions, travel and entertainment for their 880,000 members and, again, fund raising.

The Shrine's most lucrative source of income is the circuses throughout the country. They generated about $23 million in 1985, the paper reported. The records show that LESS THAN 2 percent, or $346,251, went to the medical care of the children. I find this shocking. The Sentinel cited Internal Revenue Service records showing that although the Shrine is the richest charity in the nation, it gave its 22 hospitals for children less than one-third of the gross collected from the public in 1984. The REMAINDER was spent on food, travel, entertainment, fraternal ceremonies and fund-raising."

23 mil in donations. 346k to charity. Probably just enough to be a decent write off for them anyways.

The shriners were audited too:

We requested the 990's directly from the IRS rather than ask the individual groups. As I reviewed the forms, it became clear to me that the Shriners have over $8.5 billion in the bank. They have the largest charitable endowment in the USA according to the Forbes Magazine Charity List for 2004. If they don't raise another dime, they can run the hospitals for the next 40 years, no problem."

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by stormson

Originally posted by paganini

Originally posted by 0mage
you all speak so much rubbish without investigating. masonry has nothing to do with lucifer. George washington was a freemason and lead the civil war to liberate his ppl. how is that satanic? and many other revolutions around the world that delivered ppl out of slavery etc where headed by freemasons.

People always need a scape goat when time get tough. The mason conspiracy still remains one of the more bunk theories to me and this thread hasnt changed my mind.

dont forget the jews.

any close knit group will always be suspect to outsiders.

Oh please. Don't try to stitch together a story that I'm secretly a nazi. The freemasons have a sketchy history and I'm an asshole for noticing that?
Whatever man, I should have been more clear and said that masonry doesn't choose for their members. The big guy gave us free will and expects us to just help eachother, especially the downtrodden

not saying youre a nazi. just saying close knit groups are always suspect to those on the outside. doesnt matter which group.

as for sketchy history, look at the catholic church, or any other gov that has ever existed. look close enough and you will always find shady things.

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how much do the children or parents pay for their hospital care?

reply to post by protocolsoflove


I most certainly am not going to tell you Cayce was "debunked". And in fact, a good portion of that quote resonates well with me.

However, just because there will be a time of "good" does not mean that there will be no negative circumstance. Just as one would shed light on freemasonry as a negative overall entity, it most certainly does not mean they are all negative, or "evil".

I find the satan/god paradigm to be largely ambiguous and relatively obsolete. I believe we should be focusing on accepting the nature of reality, and doing what helps everyone. There will always be negative circumstances. If the sun explodes tomorrow, it doesn't mean Satan did it.

The same goes for a murder, if someone murders someone, it doesn't mean Satan influenced that person it means that that person was negative, very, very negative - or as we some times call it "evil".

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What? I don't have a god, unless of course you mean the universe.

Originally posted by stormson

Originally posted by protocolsoflove

Originally posted by b3l13v3

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
And dualism rears it's filthy head. There's the admission right there. Lucifer/Satan/God are all the same thing. Don't believe these lies!!!!!

Excuse me?

Please elaborate. This doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
They're all the same? Wow, how did you figure that out? No jokes, I would like to know.
Or is it a secret? Do I have to join a club to find out? lol

Well... it's not really a secret club. I was just stating that the idealism of something good to save you from something bad is not going to take you very far in life.

You have to realize there is good and there is bad, and you must accept both as part of reality. If you can understand that, then typically you'll do what is good.

edit on 25-5-2012 by b3l13v3 because: (no reason given)

Doesn't genesis describe a time of only good? God is good and not bad. Bad is not an inherent part of reality. Bad can only result from a conscious decision to do bad. If there is a tornado, this is not BAD it just simply IS. If there is a man who practices insider trading with his buddies bad has happened but it is NOT something to ACCEPT.

“That force which rebelled in the unseen forces (or in spirit) that came into activity, was that influence which has been called Satan, the Devil, the Serpent; they are One. That of REBELLION! When man in any activity rebels against the influences of good he harkens to the influence of evil rather than the influence of good. Will is given to man for the choice. As given, ‘There is set before thee (man) good and evil.’ Evil is rebellion. Good is the Son of Life, of Light, of Truth; and the Son of Light, of Life, of Truth came into physical being to demonstrate and show and lead the way for man’s ascent to the power of good over evil in a material world. As there is, then, a personal savior, there is the personal devil.” Edgar Cayce

You're probably gonna try to tell me that Cayce was debunked.

come on. really? who created the tree of knowledge? your god. you cannot create something you dont already contain. who, with complete forsight, created lucifer, knowing he would turn bad? again, your god created sin, and therefore contains sin.

your god from the beginning has tried to keep man down. to retard our growth. first it was dont eat from the tree of knowledge, then "we gotta kick them out or they might eat from the tree of life and be like us". just think, if we ate from the tree of life first, then from knowledge, we would be gods.

God didn't create sin. He simply imbued souls with free will. The phrase "your god" is like nails on a chalkboard to me....Are you saying that the god of freemasonry is not the god of all men and women?

Originally posted by b3l13v3

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
And dualism rears it's filthy head. There's the admission right there. Lucifer/Satan/God are all the same thing. Don't believe these lies!!!!!

Excuse me?

Please elaborate. This doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
They're all the same? Wow, how did you figure that out? No jokes, I would like to know.
Or is it a secret? Do I have to join a club to find out? lol

Well... it's not really a secret club. I was just stating that the idealism of something good to save you from something bad is not going to take you very far in life.

You have to realize there is good and there is bad, and you must accept both as part of reality. If you can understand that, then typically you'll do what is good.

edit on 25-5-2012 by b3l13v3 because: (no reason given)

excellent b3l13v3

This is what the secret is. it goes against the church as they would rather have you all divided into various religious groups so that they can control the masses. The secret is in accepting that you are made up of both evil and good and that is where the term "I am" comes from. I just am! i am not good or evil! but i will use the aspects of me considered evil when needs be to defend myself etc and will use the aspects of me that are good e.g. compassion for all life, empathy etc.

Sometimes i dont know where to start explaining so that the uninitiated will understand without thinking i am attacking their belief system.

But what b3l13v3 says is true. we have to place our heads above duality and see that they are both sides of the same coin.

now let me try to explain y u and every one of us is evil:
in every single religious culture u will see that man is made of flesh and the flesh is made of sin!
the flesh is of the 3d reality.. this reality!
this reality is a corruptible reality. everything decomposes and breaks down etc as it is converted from one form into another.
nothing is forever in this reality of physical existence
this physical existence is of logic
logic without compassion emotion love
now that is evil.. anything lacking emotions such as love and compassion.. that is completely lacking as in have 0 compassion or love for life and living things you can imagine will do all sorts of horrible things to living creatures since it does not recognize their value or rights to exist etc. it simply does not care. it performs a calculation and then performs the action that is the result of the calculation with no regard for how it will affect others

This is what this world has conditioned most men to function as.. logical robots because being logic only oriented in mental development you are easier to control, enslave. but i wont go into that now.. i am just explaining why each and every man is evil and that is because we are half logical creatures which coincides with the left side of the brain. This part of the brain specialises in logic or rational thought. numbers and mathematics.

Now ill explain why all men are Good as well.
It is because again now the Right side of the brain specializes in emotion, creativity, imagination, compassion, empathy and these things. They allow us to put reigns of control over logic to keep it from being a complete beast or demon! a compassionless and soulless killer! Creativity/imagination is the opposite of logic.

The two opposites make the whole. just as a man and a woman must come together to make a child. and that two men or two women cannot make a child under universal laws if they came together!!!

now that you understand that it's not all dualistic BS because you are a dualistic created creature we can get above that.

in this knowledge the child of logic and creativity is "The Spirit!"
just as you son would be both his mother and father yet neither of them. the child is a dualistic creature as well possessing both aspects of his father and mother .. yet he is not either of them! hope that clears the confusion.

In short if someone exists in the spirit, they are no longer a dualistic entity. but entities who still have to look at things from one side or the other will feel confused by their perception. which they have actually been brainwashed into adhereing to by the church.

ppl fight because one stands on one side of a wall and declares it is blue, while another person stands on the other side of the wall and declares it is red. each of them refuse to walk around to the other side to see if what the other is saying is true but yet condemn the other as a liar! this is what leads to war.. because u are telling ppl they are liars when they are in fact telling the truth while u are also telling the truth and being called a liar.

Those who understand duality know what to do.. it is to stand on the wall and look both sides and see truth. That truth is that.. The wall is not blue.. nor red. But is a Red&Blue wall! while the other bicker about what colour it is. this person sees the whole picture! any questions?

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by protocolsoflove

 

I most certainly am not going to tell you Cayce was "debunked". And in fact, a good portion of that quote resonates well with me.

However, just because there will be a time of "good" does not mean that there will be no negative circumstance. Just as one would shed light on freemasonry as a negative overall entity, it most certainly does not mean they are all negative, or "evil".

I find the satan/god paradigm to be largely ambiguous and relatively obsolete. I believe we should be focusing on accepting the nature of reality, and doing what helps everyone. There will always be negative circumstances. If the sun explodes tomorrow, it doesn't mean Satan did it.

The same goes for a murder, if someone murders someone, it doesn't mean Satan influenced that person it means that that person was negative, very, very negative - or as we some times call it "evil".

I very much agree with this post! I do not believe that very many freemasons are truly evil. Most of them want to strongly to believe that their oaths were for a good cause so they will overlook and ignore the bad that goes on. Hell, I believe that their oaths ARE for a good cause as long as they took that oath with the intent on making the world a better place. Someone who takes the oath for personal gain? Bad, bad news.

The satan god paradigm will always be present because as above, so below.

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I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.

Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.

I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage

 

I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.

Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.

I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.

Very fascinating post my friend. I will just watch for now as to not get in the way.
peace

Originally posted by stormson
reply to post by protocolsoflove

 

how much do the children or parents pay for their hospital care?

Wait a second: how are you a mason if you don't believe in god?

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage

 

I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.

Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.

I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.

The Holy Trinity is very simple
It is formed out of the true universal law

one thing.. when joined with its perfectly equal opposite will create a 3rd thing!

one man joins with his opposite (a woman) and a child is born. the man and woman still exist and a new entity was created.

so what the Holy Trinity symbology wishes to convey is that 2 equal opposites must come together.

in the case of a woman and a man.. the product is a child

in the case of creativity and logic, the product is your eternal soul!

it is the law of opposites and it is a universal truth. They must be equal opposites other wise a man and horse could mate etc.

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage

 

I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.

Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.

I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.

Very fascinating post my friend. I will just watch for now as to not get in the way.
peace

Thank you Hamrhead! I don't believe you would be getting in anyone's way by sharing your presence and knowledge with us on this forum!! I, for one, have enjoyed your replies thus far. I like your name as well...it is my favorite Art Blakey song

God didn't create sin. He simply imbued souls with free will. The phrase "your god" is like nails on a chalkboard to me....Are you saying that the god of freemasonry is not the god of all men and women?

the moment you create a choice, you create both possible outcomes. therefore, but your god giving your progenitors a choice, s/he created both positive and negative. after all, if sin didnt exist, you would have no choice.

as for freemasonrys god, it is the god of all people. by allowing all religions, and allowing all men to worship as they see fit, and by recognizing the principles of godhood that all people and religions agree on, then it becomes greater than the personal god and developes into the ideal god.

its also why religion is never to be discussed in the lodge. the only religious things in the lodge are a holy book and prayer, both based on the predominate religion in the area. here its the bible, in india its the upanishads.

masons believe in elevating ones self, to become a better person. instead of pulling god to us, they try to become better and elevate themselves to be worthy of whichever god they worship.

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by stormson
reply to post by protocolsoflove

 

how much do the children or parents pay for their hospital care?

Wait a second: how are you a mason if you don't believe in god?

never said i didnt believe in the gods

Originally posted by 0mage

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage

 

I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.

Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.

I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.

The Holy Trinity is very simple
It is formed out of the true universal law

one thing.. when joined with its perfectly equal opposite will create a 3rd thing!

one man joins with his opposite (a woman) and a child is born. the man and woman still exist and a new entity was created.

so what the Holy Trinity symbology wishes to convey is that 2 equal opposites must come together.

in the case of a woman and a man.. the product is a child

in the case of creativity and logic, the product is your eternal soul!

it is the law of opposites and it is a universal truth. They must be equal opposites other wise a man and horse could mate etc.

Yes but the woman and man are not the "same thing". They are two different entities whose souls meet and produce an offspring out of love. In a trinity, three entities are the same eternal God. The concept of the trinity is not something that can be arbitrarily applied to the laws of nature. The eternal soul was not created out of creativity and logic. The eternal souls have been around since the beginning and were later gifted with material incarnation and free will thanks to God's love and generosity.

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as for freemasonrys god, it is the god of all people.

So if the universe is my god am I still allowed to join the freemasons?

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Yeah, he joined last year.

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Thank you for telling me my business. I'm so glad another person knows who I said my Oath to...it's apparently not the god I said it to.

Yes but the woman and man are not the "same thing". They are two different entities whose souls meet and produce an offspring out of love. In a trinity, three entities are the same eternal God. The concept of the trinity is not something that can be arbitrarily applied to the laws of nature. The eternal soul was not created out of creativity and logic. The eternal souls have been around since the beginning and were later gifted with material incarnation and free will thanks to God's love and generosity.

offspring out of love? what about rape victims? no love there, yet a child could be.

so your god created itself, then the angels, then our souls? where are our souls before they become flesh? heaven? if they are in heaven, then are sent to earth with the chance to fail and go to hell, isnt that just cruel? especially since far more people are going to hell according to the christian religion than will be saved.

Originally posted by stormson

God didn't create sin. He simply imbued souls with free will. The phrase "your god" is like nails on a chalkboard to me....Are you saying that the god of freemasonry is not the god of all men and women?

the moment you create a choice, you create both possible outcomes. therefore, but your god giving your progenitors a choice, s/he created both positive and negative. after all, if sin didnt exist, you would have no choice.

as for freemasonrys god, it is the god of all people. by allowing all religions, and allowing all men to worship as they see fit, and by recognizing the principles of godhood that all people and religions agree on, then it becomes greater than the personal god and developes into the ideal god.

its also why religion is never to be discussed in the lodge. the only religious things in the lodge are a holy book and prayer, both based on the predominate religion in the area. here its the bible, in india its the upanishads.

masons believe in elevating ones self, to become a better person. instead of pulling god to us, they try to become better and elevate themselves to be worthy of whichever god they worship.

"masons believe in elevating ones self"

This must explain why cowans are so often looked DOWN UPON by the adepts. I'm all for wanting to be a better person. I fail to understand where secret codes, handshakes, phrases, walks, jewelry, and symbols fit in to the scheme of just wanting to be a better person.

"its also why religion is never to be discussed in the lodge."

are there any people of the now officially recognized flying spaghetti monster god religion in the masons yet? hehe just a joke.