All or nothing...

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Lasr1oftheJedi

 

Personally i don't believe said evil horned entity exists... I believe Satan represents materialism and was never a real entity to begin with...

Though i do believe it is "possible" he does exist as well but not in the way Christians believe...

IF he actually exists... i believe he is doing the job he was given to do... that being to tempt Gods children to turn from him

His name means "the adversary"... even "the deciever"

So if he exists he is aptly named... but to believe that an angel could attempt to overthrow God... or even start a war in "heaven"...

Complete nonsence...

Curiouser and curiouser. I didn't know we were in agreement on this point.

Aside from that constant sticking point, John's Apocalypse, the bible doesn't really say a great deal about 'Satan' to make him out as most christians believe.

I definitely believe he/it existings, but as I read it he's basically just god's prosecuting attorney, testing us and putting the screws to us so we can prove ourselves one way or the other.

Anyhow, was just popping in to check for developments before heading elsewhere. Will get back to the rest of this thread later.

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(Matthew 13:38-39) The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the
kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, [39] and the enemy who sows them is
the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
(Matthew 16:23) Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a
stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of
men."
(Matthew 25:41) "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are
cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
(Mark 1:12-13) At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, [13] and he was in the
desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels
attended him.
(Mark 3:23) So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive
out Satan?
(Mark 3:26) And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has
come.
(Mark 4:15) Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon
as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
(Mark 8:33) But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get
behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of
men."
(Luke 4:1-3) Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the
Spirit in the desert, [2] where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing
during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. [3] The devil said to him, "If
you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."
(Luke 4:5) The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the
kingdoms of the world.
(Luke 4:9) The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the
temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here.
(Luke 4:13) When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune
time.
(Luke 8:12) Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and
takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.
(Luke 10:18) He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
(Luke 11:18) If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this
because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub.
(Luke 13:16) Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept
bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?"
(Luke 22:3) Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve.
(Luke 22:31-32) "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. [32] But I have
prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back,
strengthen your brothers."
(John 6:70) Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a
devil!"
(John 8:44) You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no
truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of
lies.
(John 13:2) The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted
Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus.
(John 13:27) As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are
about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,
(Acts 5:3) Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that
you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you
received for the land?
(Acts 10:38) how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and
how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil,
because God was with him.
(Acts 13:10) "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You
are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways
of the Lord?
(Acts 26:17-18) I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am
sending you to them [18] to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and
from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place
among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'
(Romans 16:20) The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of
our Lord Jesus be with you.
(1 Corinthians 5:4-5) When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am
with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, [5] hand this man over to
Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the
Lord.

(not done, please forgive me...there's ALOT of refrence to Satan in the NT)

(1 Thessalonians 2:18) For we wanted to come to you--certainly I, Paul, did, again and
again--but Satan stopped us.
(2 Thessalonians 2:9) The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work
of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
(1 Timothy 1:20) Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed
over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
(1 Timothy 3:6) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall
under the same judgment as the devil.
(1 Timothy 5:15) Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.
(2 Timothy 2:26) and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the
devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
(Hebrews 2:14) Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity
so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil-
(James 3:15) Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly,
unspiritual, of the devil.
(James 4:7) Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
(1 Peter 5:8) Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a
roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
(1 John 3:8) He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been
sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the
devil's work.
(1 John 3:10) This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of
the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone
who does not love his brother.
(Jude 1:9) But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about
the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said,
"The Lord rebuke you!"
(Revelation 2:9-10) I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know
the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
[10] Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some
of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even
to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
(Revelation 2:13) I know where you live--where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain
true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my
faithful witness, who was put to death in your city--where Satan lives.
(Revelation 3:9) I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be
Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet
and acknowledge that I have loved you.
(Revelation 12:9) The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the
devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his
angels with him.
(Revelation 12:12) Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe
to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."
(Revelation 20:2) He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan,
and bound him for a thousand years.
(Revelation 20:7) When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his
prison
(Revelation 20:10) And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of
burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be
tormented day and night for ever and ever.
(Matthew 5:37) Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this
comes from the evil one.
(Matthew 6:13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'
(Matthew 13:19) When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not
understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is
the seed sown along the path.
(Matthew 13:38) The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the
kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,
(John 17:15) My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect
them from the evil one.
(Ephesians 6:16) In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can
extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
(2 Thessalonians 3:3) But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you
from the evil one.
(1 John 2:13-14) I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the
beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to
you, dear children, because you have known the Father. [14] I write to you, fathers,
because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men,
because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the
evil one.

I'm sure I've missed some, again, I'll take a look in the book. Sorry for the triple wall of text.

reply to post by Akragon

By the same token, I ask you to please look at this page I am posting a link to. First off, though, the "Q" stands for the German word "Quelle," which means the very existence of such a document is hypothetical.

In order to better develop of a feel for what Q might have look liked, you should read over those portions of the Gospel of Luke which are believed to have been copied from Q. Among scholars, Luke's use of Q is considered to be the more reliable.

In doing so, you should be aware that the reconstruction presented here is only one of many possible such reconstructions. While there is wide agreement on the overall contents of Q, the exact contents remain lost.

source

The Gospel of Q; All sides to the controversy

An intact Gospel of Q has never been found. The theory surrounding it didn't come about until modern Biblical critics started hypothesizing that such a document might possibly exist. In light of a complete lack of evidence, why do people swear to its existence and its authority?

I would have to say if you have an authentic copy of the Gospel of Q, you could ask any price for it.

Originally posted by autowrench

I would have to say if you have an authentic copy of the Gospel of Q, you could ask any price for it.

edit on 5/24/12 by autowrench because: (no reason given)

The Gospel of Q, you say?

www.youtube.com...

Sorry, couldn't resist. ^.^;

reply to post by autowrench


The idea that it may exist is why people sware by it... Im unsure myself, but looking over the synoptics you can clearly see why the existance of a Q document is argued.

Some passages in the gospels are almost exact copys of one another when compared...

So the authors were either all present and copied the words verbatim from Jesus...

OR

All three writers had the same source of information...

Thus the theory of the existence of Q

Also... a document from anywhere within 200 years would be priceless... i would imagine if such a document exists, priceless isn't even close to the right discription...

Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi

Originally posted by autowrench

I would have to say if you have an authentic copy of the Gospel of Q, you could ask any price for it.

edit on 5/24/12 by autowrench because: (no reason given)

The Gospel of Q, you say?

www.youtube.com...

Sorry, couldn't resist. ^.^;

That's good....I starred you for that one. Funny! Thanks, made my day.