Do some people unknowingly 'see' the future rather than serve an agenda?

Do some people unknowingly 'see' the future rather than serve an agenda?

The reason I ask this question is because I want to bring up how 9/11 was portrayed in media before it happened. I don't want to post this in the 9/11 conspiracies section because this is a question regarding the possibility that rather than being a sinister predictive programming agenda, that 9/11 being shown before it happened was reflective of a person's physic ability?

Say in dreams or just in the sub conscious, perhaps a gifted artist or writer/director would share the information on an instinctive level.

We have to go beyond the coincidence argument, I don't personally see how some of the 'pre 9/11' references can be coincidence. Some can be explained through chance, such as in the Matrix and Neo's passport expiring on 9/11 can be a coincidence given the film was made in 1999. But when you view the following example, that changes-

Tenth Kingdom, TV show from 2000-



If you forward the video to 47 seconds in, watch as the giant steps over the bridge- the twin towers sink, very reminiscent of 9/11.

Is it possible that some people 'see' what is going to happen, yet don't have the ability to consciously discuss it, but rather express it sub consciously through their work?

Here's a slower version, zoomed version-



It's unmistakable- the twin towers sink into the ground, so is possible people are physic and portray this hidden, unknown knowledge through their work in media?

What are your thoughts on this? It could be predictive programming, there is a school of thought that argues consciousness creates reality- so by implanting the idea- that somehow made it possible.

Here's another reference that IMO cannot be coincidence- this is June 2001-



The album cover shows almost exact detail of the 9/11 explosions (differing impact heights), people from the ground with a 'covert labs' detonator and someone orchestrating the event.

What forces are at work here- is it deliberate predictive programming to make it possible (if you believe in the idea that mass consciousness can create reality) or is it evidence of humans having physic ability and that coming through subconciously through artwork/media? Or is it something else entirely?

Interested in your thoughts.

reply to post by Wonderer2012


Let's have it both ways. They see the future, more or less, and it becomes an agenda with them.

I mean, if you believe (no exact proof) your mother-in-law sneaks into your dope box every time she can, would you have agenda developed around that?

Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

Let's have it both ways. They see the future, more or less, and it becomes an agenda with them.

I mean, if you believe (no exact proof) your mother-in-law sneaks into your dope box every time she can, would you have agenda developed around that?

I just find it amazing people aren't interested in the 'whys'.

You have a TV show from 2000 that shows in the opening credits the twin towers sinking into the ground. They then sunk in reality just a year later.

You have a music album from June 2001 showing people orchestrating explosions that are the same heights as the plane impacts- even the varying height impacts, and the image was almost exactly the same as 9/11.

These two examples are beyond coincidence.

Don't people wonder WHY?

I find this very thought provoking, due to the fact that I have on occasion practiced visulization to attempt to change things in my life. The outcome for me has been positive 75 % of the time.


Perhaps rather than causeing my life to change dramatically, (happened the first time I used visulization) I was actually seeing the future, without realising it.

In my opinion, this is the chicken and the egg question all over again. Can imagining something cause it to happen, or was it going to happen come what may, but some people experience a mental "bleed through" from future history, so it is somewhere within their subconcious and is then expressed in an artistic manner?

reply to post by Wonderer2012


Explanation: S&F!

I wonder if the movie Fight Club released in 1999, which depicted what looked to me to be the twin towers coming down, is any way related?

Fight Club [wiki]

Fight Club (film): Tyler Durden [wikiquote.org]

The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. Third rule of Fight Club: someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. Fourth rule: only two guys to a fight. Fifth rule: one fight at a time, fellas. Sixth rule: no shirts, no shoes. Seventh rule: fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.

Self-improvement is masturbation. Now, self-destruction …

Man, I see in Fight Club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables – slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy # we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

In the world I see – you're stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.

You are not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your

khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

Hi, you're gonna call off your rigorous investigation. You're gonna publicly state that there is no underground group, or, these guys are gonna take your balls. They're gonna send one to the New York Times, one to the LA Times, press release style. Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on: we cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances, we guard you while you sleep. Do not

with us.

The things you own end up owning you.

You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you, never wanted you, in all probability he hates you. It's not the worst thing that could happen.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

If we are God's unwanted children, so be it!

First you've gotta know, not fear, know, that someday you're gonna die."

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Ok, you are now firing a gun at your 'imaginary friend' near 400 GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!

I look like you wanna look, I

like you wanna

, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I'm free in all the ways that you are not.

We're consumers. We are by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty, these things don't concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra.

Personal Disclosure:

Originally posted by eccentriclady
I find this very thought provoking, due to the fact that I have on occasion practiced visulization to attempt to change things in my life. The outcome for me has been positive 75 % of the time.


Perhaps rather than causeing my life to change dramatically, (happened the first time I used visulization) I was actually seeing the future, without realising it.

In my opinion, this is the chicken and the egg question all over again. Can imagining something cause it to happen, or was it going to happen come what may, but some people experience a mental "bleed through" from future history, so it is somewhere within their subconcious and is then expressed in an artistic manner?

I do tend to believe thought can create reality.

IMO the showing of 9/11 was intentional from TPTB- and that by implanting it into the minds of the masses, it made it possible. I can't prove that in any way at all, but the fact that 9/11 was showin in the media before it happened is a fact, and I don't think coincidence can explain the numerous examples.

Dates can be explained by coincidence (such as Neo's passport expiring 9/11/2001), but when you have introducation to TV where the twin towers sink into their footrpint, or a music album showing an image that could have been taken from 9/11 itself (yet it was June 2001), something else other than coincidence is at work.

reply to post by OmegaLogos


I've seen Fight Club but not for a while, those are some epic quotes from that film





Certainly the scene shows at the end two towers collapsing, very similar to the WTC.

However you could put this down to coincidence, given more buildings were destroyed and the context of the film in attempting to bring down capitalism.

That said, given the WTC was a symbol of American capitalism, this film could actually be argued to be very prophetic given the message of the film.

Within the context of this thread, I don't know what to make of that!

There is an interesting review-

www.totalfilm.com...

It might be about the soullessness of corporate America or the moral vacuum of consumerism. There's enough obvious Nazi imagery in it to argue that it's a metaphor for the rise of National Socialism.

Here's an interesting youtube video analysis-



The fall of capitalism by social revolution?

Very interesting given the film depicts quite eerily the collapse of two towers and what has happened in the world since 9/11 aside from the wars in the middle east.

Originally posted by Wonderer2012

Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

Let's have it both ways. They see the future, more or less, and it becomes an agenda with them.

I mean, if you believe (no exact proof) your mother-in-law sneaks into your dope box every time she can, would you have agenda developed around that?

I just find it amazing people aren't interested in the 'whys'.

You have a TV show from 2000 that shows in the opening credits the twin towers sinking into the ground. They then sunk in reality just a year later.

You have a music album from June 2001 showing people orchestrating explosions that are the same heights as the plane impacts- even the varying height impacts, and the image was almost exactly the same as 9/11.

These two examples are beyond coincidence.

Don't people wonder WHY?

Sorry to necromance this thread, but I had to chime in.

YES I wonder why, and actually I think I have a good idea.

Because the universe is holographic in construction, and all is still essentially one (quantum entanglement), and time is merely a formality which keeps everything from appearing in our conscious perception at the same moment.

Because of all these things, you will see all sorts of apparently predictive expressions. In truth there is no pre-anything. In addition, creative people are more plugged-in to the universal consciousness, so they tend to express and/or experience predictive phenomena.

BTW, Neo's passport is NOT a coincidence. This is apparent when you look at the photo next to the passport copy in the folder. It looks like there's a little white plane flying into a building. There are two shapes that resemble buildings, and together they look like the twin towers.

reply to post by seamus

Maybe, maybe not.

It's interesting.

I think a lot of (seemingly) unrelated things in our universe overlap.

Not that I believe any of this.

I just think there's some nugget of truth to be found somewhere.

Quantum entanglement is weird.

It hints, at least to me, that distance is not all that we think it's.