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Originally posted by draco49
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by getreadyalready
I think the odds are too high that anyone who forces their women to dress in a burqa teaches their sons that my daughter is a slut because she doesn't dress in a burqa. I don't want them around, and I think I have good reason.
To me, the burqa is a sign of extremism, and disrespect for my culture, and a good sign that the families that dress in this way have nothing but contempt for me.
I think every girl killed for adopting Western ways is a sacrificial killing to keep all the other women in line.
I have thought the issue through, and I honesty think the burqa should be banned for the same reason public nudity should not be allowed. In fact, I think public nudity is not nearly as bad as the burqa.
What justifiable reason should any woman wear a burqa in a Western nation?
I don't see it at all as an expression of religious freedom, not a religious belief that we should respect or allow.
It's apparent that you are an intelligent person by your writing style. And I respect your right to your opinion, as I hope you would respect mine. I think we both agree that forcing someone to wear something they do not want is morally wrong, as it removes that person's right to choose how they live and present themselves.
Where we part ways is in your belief that you or anyone else has the right to tell someone else what is or is not a valid expression of faith. Religion and faith knows no physical boundaries, so your argument that women shouldn't wear burqas in a Western nation is irrelevant. Neither you nor I have the power to dictate the lifestyle or religious practices of another. Period. That line of thinking is in direct conflict with the Constitution, and the ideals this nation was founded on. Regardless of how you feel about it personally, you don't have the power to override the Constitution. And if you are truly a patriotic American, that should never be your desire.
Neither you nor I have the power to dictate the lifestyle or religious practices of another.
Originally posted by Rosha
Hmmmm...so public KKK cross burnings and Nazi group rallies are ' ok'...but a woman exercising her right to choose her style of dress..isn't? That's some spectacular specious reasoning again...and so much for supposed freedom.
Your personal dislikes should have no bearing on this woman's right to choose which is protected by law....as her right to choose her garment ought to have no bearing on your right to wear jeans and discard common sense.
By this view, it's not a free and open society your supporting...and I do have to wonder what form of society you are.
One people one law...except for...hijab wearers.
ok.
As you say..its your country...do what you like..just know its also your hypocrisy, your self deceit, your paradox to deal with as well.
I'll just respect her.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Rosha
I have the same contempt for the KKK and the NAZIs as I have for men who force their women to wear burqas, and from all I have read on the subject, most women are forced to wear these traveling prisons, married as young girls to their much older cousins, on and on again.
You talk about freedom, while defending religious practices that treat women like slaves, trying to hide behind freedom of religion. You are the one being the hypocrite.
We shouldn't allow the burqa for the same reason we don't allow public nudity, because it is obscene.
Originally posted by poet1b
Sorry, but you are wrong, and there are a great many laws on the books in the U.S. that dictate certain aspects of lifestyle and religious practices.
You have the right to practice your religion, but you do not have the right to force your religion on others. There are all kinds of decency laws that restrict peoples life styles.
Banning the burqa is one that we should adopt, for all the reasons explained.
The burqa and the niqab shroud the full body, covering every part of a woman except her feet. The niqab includes a slit for the eyes, whereas the burqa has mesh netting. Malalai Joya, an Afghan MP and a devout Muslim, hates wearing it. "It's not only oppressive," she says, "but it's more difficult than you might think. You have no peripheral vision. And it's hot and suffocating under there."
When visiting Australia recently, Joya didn't pack her burqa. She is one of the many millions of Muslim women around the world who choose not to wear it
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread843793/pg20#pid14195247]post by When visiting Australia recently, Joya didn't pack her burqa. She is one of the many millions of Muslim women around the world who choose not to wear it
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Rosha
When I look into the eyes of the women I see regularly wearing a burqa, I see a frightened young woman, or an older woman who has her spirit broken.
Not all, but mostly.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Rosha
I think that our public universities should be required to admit U.S. applicants before any immigrants,
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by draco49
Laws against public nudity, gay marriage, drinking alcohol, drugs, profanity, sodomy, on and on and on.
By dressing obscenely.
It is extremely oppressive of women's rights, and if someone can not show their face, they shouldn't be out in public unless the reason they were hiding their face is for some sort of ailment.
Nudity is about freedom, especially from religious oppression, while the only purpose of the burqa is the suppression of women's rights, and the treatment of a woman as property.
1) Please provide references to specific American laws that support your argument.
2) Please explain how an American woman choosing to wear a burqa equates to forcing a religion on you.
3) Please explain what you perceive to be indecent about a long black dress with head covering.
4) Please explain how public nudity and exposure is a more acceptable concept than a woman choosing to wear a burqa.