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Muslim Woman Asked to Remove Headscarf in NJ Mall

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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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I believe its more of an issue of recognition not about hiding bombs under garments
If you were to walk into a mall with a balaclava on etc then you naturally associate this type of scenario with a potential threat. If you walk into a mall with a full head scarf (only ) then they could place a bag bomb in a bin walk away and not be facially recognised at a later date which is one of the most important aspects of catching criminals/terrorist even in our age of technology and as the media an government's world wide spread fear of these attacks then the natural response is to do anything that protects you and your family you will find that laws such as banning head scarf's an any other such laws that restrict Muslims will be backed by a high percentage of citizens in numerous countries in the west especially US/UK due to previous tragedy's i for one believe that the type of restrictions that have been put forward is still not as bad as if we the west was committing these terror type attacks in the middle east with out question there would be ethnic cleansing of theses westerners abroad. I for one used to ask my self what happened to the times when we the UK people would never give in to fear such as the strength our grandfathers an grandmothers had in the blitz on a daily basses bombs would be dropped every night neighbours an family's would die an they still never allowed fear to change there lives kids still played they still went to work my conclusion is the media outlet has grown so propaganda is now the forefront of control who is the enemy ( who ever they want ) media could easily show use the amount of daily arrests of terror cells through out the west as to make the air of calm settle the haterid an fear that most are living in but they choose not to broadcast




posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by darthdamo74

1. I have never claimed to be a shcolar or anything remotely similar

2. I live in England so I wont be visiting any of the places you mentioned above

3. Not quite in my back yard but close enough to have a distinc effect (are they in yours ?)

4. Flocks of women covered head to toe wearing identical all black burqas! you mean like a uniform ?

5. By my logic, they are more than likely sympathisers


1) Fair enough, but you could use spell-check.
2) Piety and entitlement are national sports in England, so your opinion of them doesn't surprise me.
3) I was born & raised in NY and was present in Manhattan on 9/11, so yes, they're in proximity to me.
4) Yeah, it kinda does look like a uniform.
5) These people (the ones on this side of the pond) are peaceful and never cause any trouble.

BTW, I'm of Jewish decent and I get along with them just fine.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by azulejo
Queen Elizabeth II wore a scarf when visited Saudi Arabia. Even though I am not fond in royalty, this is a good gesture of respect


If only Muslims could respect our culture.

I have noticed that this 'respect' that Muslims demand, rarely if ever gets reciprocated.




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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by indisputable
reply to post by smyleegrl
 


I believe its more of an issue of recognition not about hiding bombs under garments
If you were to walk into a mall with a balaclava on etc then you naturally associate this type of scenario with a potential threat. If you walk into a mall with a full head scarf (only ) then they could place a bag bomb in a bin walk away and not be facially recognised at a later date which is one of the most important aspects of catching criminals/terrorist even in our age of technology and as the media an government's world wide spread fear of these attacks then the natural response is to do anything that protects you and your family you will find that laws such as banning head scarf's an any other such laws that restrict Muslims will be backed by a high percentage of citizens in numerous countries in the west especially US/UK due to previous tragedy's i for one believe that the type of restrictions that have been put forward is still not as bad as if we the west was committing these terror type attacks in the middle east with out question there would be ethnic cleansing of theses westerners abroad. I for one used to ask my self what happened to the times when we the UK people would never give in to fear such as the strength our grandfathers an grandmothers had in the blitz on a daily basses bombs would be dropped every night neighbours an family's would die an they still never allowed fear to change there lives kids still played they still went to work my conclusion is the media outlet has grown so propaganda is now the forefront of control who is the enemy ( who ever they want ) media could easily show use the amount of daily arrests of terror cells through out the west as to make the air of calm settle the haterid an fear that most are living in but they choose not to broadcast


370 words. Two periods. For the LOVE OF GOD!!!!!



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Here is an example of Muslim tolerance of other views...

Check out the anger of those Muslims at the protestors against Burqas.

Why do Muslims get so angry, so often?








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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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I understand, but personally I don't think she was discriminated against. Unfortunately some people are a bit touchy so I can see her point too. That being said however, the Malls do have their own policies.

Maybe in the future the Mall needs to post on all doors the do's and don'ts of dress wear/head wear. If they at least post it some where then the Mall would be within their rights to confront a person that they felt violated the policy.

These are strange times we live in and the lady may experience more of the same problem in the future in other places. Hopefully not....



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
If only Muslims could respect our culture.

I have noticed that this 'respect' that Muslims demand, rarely if ever gets reciprocated.


They choose to live in our country, even though they are often the target of abuse and prejudice. They're hard working people who support their communities and local businesses. And they pay their taxes (because if they didn't, you KNOW the IRS would be on them like white on rice). So I guess my question is, exactly what sort of "respect" are you looking for?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Here is an example of Muslim tolerance of other views...

Check out the anger of those Muslims at the protestors against Burqas.

Why do Muslims get so angry, so often?



edit on 25-5-2012 by ollncasino because: fix link


Sense of entitlement and superiority.

Thats what an Abrahamic religion will do to a people.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Sense of entitlement and superiority.

Thats what an Abrahamic religion will do to a people.




WOW! That is actually true! Compare Christianity, Islam, and Jews to Hindus and Buddhists! The primary difference is entitlement and superiority! The "chosen" or the "forgiven" ones. Whereas the Buddhists just want to live in harmony with nature and become more enlightened.

You said something very succinctly that I will now remember and regurgitate FOREVER!



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Here is an example of Muslim tolerance of other views...

Check out the anger of those Muslims at the protestors against Burqas.

Why do Muslims get so angry, so often?


Angry? Have you ever been to a Southern Baptist church? THOSE people are angry. As for the videos, they have every right to angry and offended. People actively protest them, their faith, and their customs in a way that we'd consider barbaric if it was directed towards Christians. Your prejudice is a stinky cologne.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Glad to be of service



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Your prejudice is a stinky cologne.


A survey conducted in France in May 2003 found that 77 percent of girls wearing the hijab said they did so because of physical threats from Islamist groups.

Reuters

I just can't agree with women being oppressed with threats of violence. Being called 'stinky' won't stop me fighting for the rights of women.




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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Has anyone yet stated that this veil is NOT a part of the Muslim religion?
It is Cultural.

I am asked to remove sun glasses when I go into my bank, however a Muslim woman can enter fully disguised under that black sack and it's OK. This is a lot of BS

There are security cameras everywhere in these malls to nail shoplifters.
They are worthless in the case of a veiled pilferer.
Seems they have a free pass to do as they like without danger of being identified.

Wear whatever you like, but do not wear a Mask.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
Has anyone yet stated that this veil is NOT a part of the Muslim religion?
It is Cultural.


That's right. The Koran only implies that women should dress modestly.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by mysterioustranger
Good. If we went to her country, we would have to abide by their ways. Theyre here...so abide by ours.


Hey bigot, what laws are those?

Khar



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
Good. If we went to her country, we would have to abide by their ways. Theyre here...so abide by ours.


BS! Your wife wouldn't have to wear a veil there, so why should that muslim woman remove hers in your mall?


Actually, female visitors to countries such as Saudi Arabia absolutely DO have to wear a veil.

That being said, the lady wearing the veil WAS abiding by the ways of the United States, who's law guarantees religious freedoms and guarantees religious rights.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by OhZone
Has anyone yet stated that this veil is NOT a part of the Muslim religion?
It is Cultural.


That's right. The Koran only implies that women should dress modestly.



You DO know that, like the Bible, the Qur'an is open to interpretation. If you did a little reading, you'd find that the Qur'an does more than "imply" that a woman should dress modestly. That silly little Christ-flake that the Catholics dish out at the end of service isn't written in the Bible, it's the Catholic interpretation of "the body of Christ". Does that mean it's not religious, but cultural?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by snarky412

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by luciddream
You can practice religion, but when i see this i see domination of women, and as well as security threat.


Oh really domination of women? If a nun were to walk into that mall would they be forced to remove part of their garments as well? Because their religion is dominating them as well.

I always laugh when I hear security threat. People that say this has already let the terrorist win.



A Nun's face CAN BE seen......

The woman in the picture, her face is obscured which CAN NOT be seen nor identified if a situation called for it.

Mall security has their own rules to abide by. Either accept or shop some where else......


So? She could still be hiding a bomb under that big hat. And they should shop somewhere else because would want to shop at a mall that is racist and wants to strip Americans of their rights.
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First off, I work Malls at Christmas time and NEVER have I seen a Nun shop there.

Second, a Mall has it's own rules/policies of their own that have to be followed, even with the people who work there.

I personally don't see this as a racist issue as you seem to do. It's not so much about a concealed bomb, where ever that came from I don't know, but it has to do with her face being obscured from view. In other words, you can not identify her features. Yes, I understand her culture and her purpose for her veil, but at the same time, she can not be seen.

I suggested earlier that the Mall after this incident is over, should post signs on doors of the do'/don'ts of dress wear/ head wear so that it is clear to the public. The malls are within their rights to have their own policies as do many retail stores/restaurants.

To this day they all say "No shirt, No shoes, No service". Some I've seen don't allow pants down or hoodies up. That's their store, that's their right.

Please don't turn this into a race issue because it's not. And no one has the right to do as they please in any store, food eatery, gas station, etc.. Even your own home, I'm sure, has certain rules to abide by. Mine does....

I guess for me, the line of work we're in, we always have to adjust to the rules/conditions of where ever we are. So I'm not all that surprised.

This site is a prime example..... they have their own T&C... and if you don't obey, you get bleeped....same principle. So, do you respect this site and the limitations that's given to you?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
Has anyone yet stated that this veil is NOT a part of the Muslim religion?
It is Cultural.

I am asked to remove sun glasses when I go into my bank, however a Muslim woman can enter fully disguised under that black sack and it's OK. This is a lot of BS

There are security cameras everywhere in these malls to nail shoplifters.
They are worthless in the case of a veiled pilferer.
Seems they have a free pass to do as they like without danger of being identified.

Wear whatever you like, but do not wear a Mask.


And where did you pull this little gem from? Certainly not the law, or the Constitution. What sort of person are you that believes that free people have an obligation to be identified? Bet you already signed up for your microchip, right?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by draco49
You DO know that, like the Bible, the Qur'an is open to interpretation. If you did a little reading, you'd find that the Qur'an does more than "imply" that a woman should dress modestly.


Perhaps you could quote passages from the Koran to prove your point? If you can find any.

Anyway, you may enjoy this. I certainly did.

Miss Muslim Moral Beauty Pageant Held in Saudi Arabia



I liked the one in black. I thought she should have won.



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