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Millions still uncovered with health law expansion

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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 04:33 AM
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Politico Story
By KYLE CHENEY | 5/23/12 10:33 PM EDT
Millions still uncovered with health law expansion
 



The big question is:

How will ObamaCare handle "undocumented citizens" ?

Very complicated.

The article has some references to "community clinics" funded by the Government.

Some people think ObamaCare will actually diminish the care for "undocumented citizens".



The health law, if upheld by the Supreme Court, will help up to 33 million Americans get coverage over the next decade. Around 26 million to 27 million will remain uncovered.

And roughly one in four of the uninsured will be illegal immigrants, the Urban Institute has estimated.




And as more tax dollars go toward subsidizing low- and middle-income Americans so they can get health coverage, advocates for immigrants say it may be increasingly difficult to care for the undocumented, who are excluded from the law’s coverage expansion and the new insurance exchanges.

A few communities are testing solutions. In Los Angeles, a nonprofit clinic and a restaurant workers’ group this month announced a cooperative to provide low-cost primary and preventive care. Washington officials this month voted to spare a health insurance pool for illegal immigrants from the budget chopping block.




Under the health law, hospitals that treat a disproportionate share of uninsured people will see federal payments for that care shrink. But they will still be required by law to provide emergency treatment to anyone who needs it.

Community clinics won a five-year $11 billion infusion in the Affordable Care Act, in addition to $2 billion in the 2009 stimulus law, to expand care in medically underserved communities. But they can’t plug all the gaps in the system.

And primary-care doctors, already overstretched in many regions, will be absorbing millions of newly insured patients.




posted on May, 24 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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what do these people do, when they get sick ? i live in europe, i cannot even imagine, what it must be like.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
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what do these people do, when they get sick ? i live in europe, i cannot even imagine, what it must be like.



Right now there is a law in the U.S. that says nobody can be denied service in a hospital emergency room.

The law was passed in 1986.

I don't know if ObamaCare will change anything.


In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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Don't listen to the socialists, especially from other countries. America is huge and would never be able to handle this burden,
You have millions of undocumented people. The number is uncertain.
At the end you will be rationing care



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
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what do these people do, when they get sick ? i live in europe, i cannot even imagine, what it must be like.



They probably seek out christian charities



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by icepack
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what do these people do, when they get sick ? i live in europe, i cannot even imagine, what it must be like.



They probably seek out christian charities

There won't be any catholic medical centers if Obama has his way.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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Right now there is a law in the U.S. that says nobody can be denied service in a hospital emergency room. The law was passed in 1986.

sounds good. what about the costs ? is it free ?



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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They probably seek out christian charities

do they have to say that jesus is there saviour, before they get help ? (just kidding)
you say, evrbody with health insurance is not a good idea for the united states ?
don't you think a very minimal, basic security for all would give the country a better "climate".



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
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Right now there is a law in the U.S. that says nobody can be denied service in a hospital emergency room. The law was passed in 1986.

sounds good. what about the costs ? is it free ?


The hospital makes attempts to collect.

But they usually can't.

It ends up being "free", but not "officially".

A collection agency can still try to recover the money from the patient later.

Hospitals often lose money from this.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by HamrHeed
Don't listen to the socialists, especially from other countries. America is huge and would never be able to handle this burden,
You have millions of undocumented people. The number is uncertain.
At the end you will be rationing care


That's a fear that many think will happen soon.

ObamaCare could easily "overload" the entire medical system.

The HHS has some "plans" I believe.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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No it is not free medical care. They cannot refuse to treat you but you still have to pay for it. I was just in for six days in March at the tune of 3,000 dollars a day.

18,000 dollars! and they even cut me a break cause I dont have any medical insurance and Iam not on welfare. I be probably be paying for that for the rest of my life.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:30 AM
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Meet the ObamaCare Mandate Committee !!

Yes, the ObamaCare laws have given much power to a Central Committee who are making all the policies reality.

"THEY" are the United States Preventative Services Task Force by name.

"THEY" might even have future plans to create a separate death panel for all we know.



Offended by President Obama's decision to force health insurers to pay for contraception and surgical sterilization? It gets worse: In the future, thanks to ObamaCare, the government will issue such health edicts on a routine basis—and largely insulated from public view. This goes beyond contraception to cancer screenings, the use of common drugs like aspirin, and much more.

Under ObamaCare, a single committee—the United States Preventative Services Task Force—is empowered to evaluate preventive health services and decide which will be covered by health-insurance plans.

The task force already rates services with letter grades of "A" through "D" (or "I," if it has "insufficient evidence" to make a rating). But under ObamaCare, services rated "A" or "B"—such as colon cancer screening for adults aged 50-75—must be covered by health plans in full, without any co-pays. Many services that get "Cs" and "Ds"—such as screening for ovarian or testicular cancer—could get nixed from coverage entirely.


Think the contraception decision was bad? Wait until bureaucrats start telling your insurer which cancer screenings to cover



It looks like some of the terms can actually allow insurance companies to drop coverage for certain things based on "Grades" !!!!!!!!!

Health plans will inevitably choose to drop coverage for many services that don't get a passing grade from the task force and therefore aren't mandated. Insurance companies will need to conserve their premium money, which the government regulates, in order to spend it subsidizing those services that the task force requires them to cover in full.

Please read the entire article


Are these "edicts" just fancy names for "Dictatorship" ??

Are "THEY" here ??



Meet the ObamaCare Mandate Committee








edit on May-24-2012 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by lunchmanstan
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No it is not free medical care. They cannot refuse to treat you but you still have to pay for it. I was just in for six days in March at the tune of 3,000 dollars a day.

18,000 dollars! and they even cut me a break cause I dont have any medical insurance and Iam not on welfare. I be probably be paying for that for the rest of my life.


Yep.

and if somebody can't "qualify" for Medicaid, that's what happens.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by xuenchen
 




Right now there is a law in the U.S. that says nobody can be denied service in a hospital emergency room. The law was passed in 1986.

sounds good. what about the costs ? is it free ?


The hospital makes attempts to collect.

But they usually can't.

It ends up being "free", but not "officially".

A collection agency can still try to recover the money from the patient later.

Hospitals often lose money from this.




Exactly. This is the fulcrum where doctors start to assess people upon their "worth" to the state. In comes rationing. It is already happening here in Canada.
Taxes on gas and smokes were supposed to easily manage this but alas we're 25000$ in debt per person.
But thats nothing compared to you guys. I can't imagine the devastation it would have on america. Your gov't is 10x as corrupt as ours



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