They Took R Jobs!

So muliti-national corporations have ruined our western economies by outsourcing all the jobs to China and India. Now the only solution is Austerity for the middle class and the poor. It is doublespeak to call corporatists 'job creators'. These 'job creators' have sent all the jobs to India and China. The mega-rich have taken too much from society and given back little. The strain that they put on society is causing Western economies to collapse. Yet they call for Austerity on the very people that their corporatism has left jobless.

The corporatist has no sovereignty. The corporatist pledges allegience to profit margins. The corporatist will gladly sell out his own country and his own countrymen for the right price. Unemployment is not high because people are lazy. Unemployment is high because the corporatist took R jobs!

The corporatist will tell us that they must use slave labour in developing countries because they must 'compete in a global market'. Well I say sianra! Bon voyage! Get the [SNIP] out! If you dont want to employ our people then you dont get our market. The thing is,these 'job creators' actually destroy jobs. These 'job creators' need us and our markets. We dont need them. Without them Small Business would thrive. Opportunities would be everywhere.

We can pass legislation that can stop these corporatists from taking our jobs. We can put limits on Market Shares. We can pass legislation that ensures that a majority of a multinational corporations workforce remains in its Nation of origin. We can pass legislation that forces corporations to pay the same rate to international workers as the corporation pays its domestic workers. There is alot that can be done.

National Socialism is a good idea because it protects a nation against corporatists selling it out to China and India. National Socialism puts an emphasis on economic self sufficiency. Autarky is sensible. It protects a nation. Insulates it. National Socialism is like building a firewall to protect a nation from the economic problems of other nations. National Socialism protects jobs.

Manufacturing was the thing that made nations great. Like America in WW2. America could pump out Battleships like nothing. America was a monster as far as manufacturing was concerned. Manufacturing is what made America a superpower. Manufacturing is what made China the new superpower.

We need to fight for legislation that addresses the problems that corporatism creates. Its not good enough just to raise the corporate tax level and raise taxes on the mega-rich. We need to stop em taking R jobs!

I stopped reading at "National socialism is a good idea"

Father have mercy on this clownship

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Originally posted by HamrHeed
I stopped reading at "National socialism is a good idea"

Father have mercy on this clownship

Which part of that phrase is a bad word? I am assuming that socialism is the word that stopped you in your tracks...

What is socialism?

Socialism: A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

The problem with you and many others is that they associate a term such as "socialism" with an evil empire and not a true means of government.

Those who clamored for cheap goods and prices from foreign products, are now realising that it has hurt them and their economy.

Really, who didn't see this coming 20 years ago??

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart, and buying CRAP that breaks down in only a few years. Keep dealing with companies that offer "customer service" from overseas.

I must be one of the last ones to actually try to buy local for everything.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
I stopped reading at "National socialism is a good idea"

Father have mercy on this clownship

Im guessing you dont know much about National Socialsim. Its the opposite of internationalization/globalization.

National Socialism is awesome. And it works.

But in relation to American corporatism,I have the solution.

When the Founding Fathers freed themselves from the British government,they were freeing themselves from the banks and corporations just as much.They knew corporations had to be kept in check.Incorperation is a privilege. Initially all corporations were selected to enable activities that benifited the public.Shareholders were only enabled to profit as a means to an end.Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy and other realms of society.They had alot of other conditions imposed on them as well,like they were not allowed to make any political or charitable donations.

Right now,the US Federal Government could preempt all 'state corporate law' under the courts current expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause.You could get around the Tenth Amendment and get them all out of Delaware.Corporate Personhood mocks the Bill of Rights and could also be removed.The Founding Fathers would remove it. Its not like your leaders couldnt fix things if they tried. And it could be done within your constitution.

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Much talk lately about austerity.

Funny thing though.

If you have your lifestyle adapted so that you don't rely on the government, then austerity is really no big deal.

It's the people who embraced the socialist ideals that have to suffer when austerity is utilised.

Originally posted by Goldcurrent
Those who clamored for cheap goods and prices from foreign products, are now realising that it has hurt them and their economy.

Really, who didn't see this coming 20 years ago??

Keep shopping at Wal-Mart, and buying CRAP that breaks down in only a few years. Keep dealing with companies that offer "customer service" from overseas.

I must be one of the last ones to actually try to buy local for everything.

Thats what we all need is consumer control. The generation before the Baby Boomers made sure they bought products that were produced in their own nation. It makes sense to do it. Governments need to pass legislation than limits Market Share and stop monopolies from destroying our economies.

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Your narrow-minded response reminded me of a quote by Bertrand Russel: "Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

Originally posted by beezzer
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Much talk lately about austerity.

Funny thing though.

If you have your lifestyle adapted so that you don't rely on the government, then austerity is really no big deal.

It's the people who embraced the socialist ideals that have to suffer when austerity is utilised.

Thats where you are wrong. Ask people in Greece if its "no big deal". You think Austerity means you can sit back and laugh at the poor while they starve to death because they are either stupid or lazy. Its more than that. You will see inflation. You will see interest rates rise. Small business will be hurt. Overall standard of living will fall. You will be hurt by Austerity.

Austerity doesnt work. Greece has only gotten worse. Corporatism is the problem. Instead of blaming the poor,which is ludicruos,we need to blame the right peopel.

Originally posted by mileysubet
Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

Yes, yes it is horrible actually.
The overwhelming vast majority of human behaviour is not based on "needs" (at least the basic Maslow list - food, air, water, housing etc...).

You dont "need" a large TV, so you arent allowed to have one because it takes resources from the rest of the community.
You dont "need" to drink a beer, so you arent allowed to have one because it takes resources from the rest of the community.
You dont "need" to go to the movies, so you arent allowed to do it because it takes resources from the rest of the community.

And for all those people with hobbies, sorry, you dont "need" any of that stuff.

A much better system of government is not based on needs at all, but allows for people who do have needs but cannot achieve them on their own.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by mileysubet
Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

Yes, yes it is horrible actually.
The overwhelming vast majority of human behaviour is not based on "needs" (at least the basic Maslow list - food, air, water, housing etc...).

You dont "need" a large TV, so you arent allowed to have one because it takes resources from the rest of the community.
You dont "need" to drink a beer, so you arent allowed to have one because it takes resources from the rest of the community.
You dont "need" to go to the movies, so you arent allowed to do it because it takes resources from the rest of the community.

And for all those people with hobbies, sorry, you dont "need" any of that stuff.

A much better system of government is not based on needs at all, but allows for people who do have needs but cannot achieve them on their own.

Thats not true at all. National Socialism aims to provide affordable recreation for every person. Look into it. Your comments are alarmist and McCarthyist.

People have become so brainwashed that whenever you propose a plan that would benefit them and not the billionaire corporations they instantly think it's a bad idea. Especially if the plan involves socialism.

Originally posted by Germanicus
Thats not true at all. National Socialism aims to provide affordable recreation for every person.

There appears to be many different definitions and variations of socialism, and I was specifically replying to mileysubet's definition, that had no account for recreation whatsoever.

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Yeah. Its strange. Its like people are intent on cheering for their own demise.

And yeah,the word socialism has a stigma. I say highball with socialsim then switch to saying 'nationalization' which sounds more patriotic when we are closer to critical mass Then we nationalize Oil and Banking. Next we nationalize Education and offer debt relief to students,then we nationalize the Medical Industry and sell that to retiring Baby Boomers. It should be easy. Nationalization sounds better than Austerity. I think Americans will begin to come around when they start to comprehend that Greece is no tv show. Austerity in America is coming. It will be harsh and it will hurt. All for the sake of maintaining the standard of living of the mega-rich. Its insane. People will see it eventually.

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by HamrHeed
I stopped reading at "National socialism is a good idea"

Father have mercy on this clownship

Which part of that phrase is a bad word? I am assuming that socialism is the word that stopped you in your tracks...

What is socialism?

Socialism WAS a pillar of civilization until it was used to rock the foundation of liberty.
I have read a few of your posts and realize this is beating a dead horse.
You may as well be sold on the stock market

Socialism: A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

The problem with you and many others is that they associate a term such as "socialism" with an evil empire and not a true means of government.

But the nazis weren't socialists, right?lol
Socialism WAS a pillar of civilization until it was used to rock the foundation of liberty. Thats about as clear as I can make it.
,Miley, do you live in America?

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by mileysubet
Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

Yes, yes it is horrible actually.
The overwhelming vast majority of human behaviour is not based on "needs" (at least the basic Maslow list - food, air, water, housing etc...).

You dont "need" a large TV, so you arent allowed to have one because it takes resources from the rest of the community.
You dont "need" to drink a beer, so you arent allowed to have one because it takes resources from the rest of the community.
You dont "need" to go to the movies, so you arent allowed to do it because it takes resources from the rest of the community.

And for all those people with hobbies, sorry, you dont "need" any of that stuff.

A much better system of government is not based on needs at all, but allows for people who do have needs but cannot achieve them on their own.

A system that has granted the elite to profit from our needy, and practicably starve them. A system that relies on war to continue the elites life style. The current government in the US is becoming no better than the government of North Korea.

Yes I will do without a TV, I will suffer without beer, movies of make believe I can do without. What I hate is seeing our people starve, I hate seeing our people live in filth, I hate seeing children not knowing how to read, I hate seeing our people not knowing how to write.

I Would rather see a population of literate children. I would rather see a child of full stomach than drink a beer. I would rather see a child educated on world politics than watch a #y movie... If that makes me and the ideal of socialism a devil then cast me out.

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by HamrHeed
I stopped reading at "National socialism is a good idea"

Father have mercy on this clownship

Which part of that phrase is a bad word? I am assuming that socialism is the word that stopped you in your tracks...

What is socialism?

Socialism WAS a pillar of civilization until it was used to rock the foundation of liberty.
I have read a few of your posts and realize this is beating a dead horse.
You may as well be sold on the stock market

Socialism: A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

The problem with you and many others is that they associate a term such as "socialism" with an evil empire and not a true means of government.

But the nazis weren't socialists, right?lol
Socialism WAS a pillar of civilization until it was used to rock the foundation of liberty. Thats about as clear as I can make it.
,Miley, do you live in America?

edit on 24-5-2012 by HamrHeed because: (no reason given)

You are absoulty correct socialism under the rule of Adolf Hitler, did and still does to this day rock the cradle of liberty.

A common tool such as screwdriver can be used to drive a crew into a piece of wood to fix a piece of furniture, but it can also be driven into a persons heart to kill him/her.

The point is, that government is a tool, it can be used for bad or good. But don't blame the tool for the users fault.

Yes I will do without a TV, I will suffer without beer, movies of make believe I can do without. What I hate is seeing our people starve, I hate seeing our people live in filth, I hate seeing children not knowing how to read, I hate seeing our people not knowing how to write.

I will not got without TV.

I will not go without Internet.

I will not go without a beer.

I will not have the Gov't dictate what I can or cannot read, watch, or do.

I will fight tooth and nail against any and all encroachments of our freedom!


BTW: last time I looked, there weren't too many starving people in Amerika. In fact obestity has never been higher. Healthy eating should be taught but not mandated

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by HamrHeed
I stopped reading at "National socialism is a good idea"

Father have mercy on this clownship

Which part of that phrase is a bad word? I am assuming that socialism is the word that stopped you in your tracks...

What is socialism?

Socialism WAS a pillar of civilization until it was used to rock the foundation of liberty.
I have read a few of your posts and realize this is beating a dead horse.
You may as well be sold on the stock market

Socialism: A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

Man that sound absoulutly horrible...A system of government based on our needs...

The problem with you and many others is that they associate a term such as "socialism" with an evil empire and not a true means of government.

But the nazis weren't socialists, right?lol
Socialism WAS a pillar of civilization until it was used to rock the foundation of liberty. Thats about as clear as I can make it.
,Miley, do you live in America?

edit on 24-5-2012 by HamrHeed because: (no reason given)

You are absoulty correct socialism under the rule of Adolf Hitler, did and still does to this day rock the cradle of liberty.

A common tool such as screwdriver can be used to drive a crew into a piece of wood to fix a piece of furniture, but it can also be driven into a persons heart to kill him/her.

The point is, that government is a tool, it can be used for bad or good. But don't blame the tool for the users fault.

So if you're not an American, why do you want them to be a full blown socialist state?
Do you even realize the implications of such a dream?>
America is screwed already and they're not even feeling the heat yet.
When socialists run out of other peoples money, they leave (everyone in the dust)
It's happening all over the world right now. Mandated healthcare is the death knell for america if something else doesn't collapse it first. True Americans are resilient though