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Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I do know that certain sects of Islam believe in the end times prophecy that ancient texts will be found that 'prove' the Bible corrupt and Islam as the true religion.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by windword
Revelation 11:18
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18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Well he damn sure ain't about to throw them a party for destroying the earth. Drilling into the crust in the oceans and causing massive oil leakes that kills off massive amounts of aquatic life, and pollutes the waters and the beaches and their attending ecosystems generally falls under destroying the earth. Then ofcourse you have problems like Fukushima and Chernobyl where the radiation lingers for decades and kills off all life in the immediate area, then there's strip mining for coal, the destruction of the south american rainforests, the logging industry, huge landfills full of garbage that stinks to high heaven, toxic waste being dumped into the oceans and in underground caves, the wars where tens of millions are slain.
Yeah, i can see why he's pissed
Muhammad isn't even prophecied anywhere in the bible, not in the Torah, Tenach or the Gospels. He doesn't show up till the Quran. Now i find it very hard to believe in a character who never appeared in any prophcy once in the OT while Yeshua appeared exclusively in the OT and Gospels.
Originally posted by buster2010
Show me a religion that isn't man made. That and the bible foretold of another prophet after Jesus.
Originally posted by buster2010
Your joking right? Have you ever read the bible or even watched the news lately? He takes the food away from starving children by creating droughts so kids starve to death. And not destroy anything? Ever hear of Sodom and Gomorrah?
God loves death in so much that when he demanded sacrifices he gave directions on how it should be done.
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by buster2010
Show me a religion that isn't man made. That and the bible foretold of another prophet after Jesus.
So you readily admit that religion is manmade, yet you then state this:
Originally posted by buster2010Your joking right? Have you ever read the bible or even watched the news lately? He takes the food away from starving children by creating droughts so kids starve to death. And not destroy anything? Ever hear of Sodom and Gomorrah?
God loves death in so much that when he demanded sacrifices he gave directions on how it should be done.
You were on the right track to begin with. Religion is indeed manmade. The concepts of God being an angry, jealous and vengeful entity are all attributes bestowed upon him by religion. But if he were such an entity he wouldn't be God, he would be evil (IE, Satan). You can't have it both ways, either you don't believe in God or you do, and if you do then you have to accept that he is pure, perfect, loving and just. Because if you don't believe he is, then you don't believe in God because God MUST be these things by the very definition of who God is. Everything else is just misdirection thanks to organized religion.
As for why kids starve and there are droughts in the world, well that's a question of intervention. It's a silly notion to believe that God does everything (IE, creates droughts and starvation) because if he does then there's no such thing as free will and our existence is pointless. So the question isn't why those things exist, because free will and the ebb and flow if life creates all kinds of unusual conditions. The question is why he doesn't intervene to "fix" them. I don't know the answer, perhaps he feels that tinkering with the outcome of life isn't proper and interferes with free will, or maybe we're just ants to him and he doesn't consider these things important enough for intervention, or maybe this existence is a temporary blip on the radar and is setting the stage for the pure and perfect world to come. Personally I believe the latter.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by EnochWasRight
We were simply asked to not transmute Carbon into technology
That makes no sense. Our entire ecosystem is carbon based. Carbon is among the most abundant elements in the universe. Why would God condemn it's use.
A camp fire makes coals, carbon, that enables the cooking for food, unleavened bread, burnt offerings etc. What about pencils, bad?
Why would God kill off the dinosaurs and then forbid us to use the carbon based fuel that their demised left behind? Didn't he give us dominion over these things? Does your god also condemn the telegraph, the automobile, sattelite technology and computer technology.
Where is this simple request from God in the Bible? Why is your god so anti carbon?
Originally posted by auraelium
Truth can be rightly divided by contest. Not only is the Bible accurate on Science, Human nature, physics, history and future revelation, but it cannot be denied as the greatest enigma known to mankind. It goes so far as to identify the Pyramids in Isaiah 19 as the monument to the Lord himself.
The Bible scientifically accurate where exactly? The earth is 3000 years old?
Accurate about human nature? but is anti homosexuality?
Physics...What reference to physics can be found in the bible?
History.... Adam and Eve?
The pyramids... The egyptians worshiped christ?
Are you just making it up as you go along?edit on 23-5-2012 by auraelium because: (no reason given)
The problem is not with the use of the Fruit of Knowledge. Technology is the fruit. Carbon is the element that is transmuted as the marker of our use of the fruit. The first intention of God was to test our pride or obedience to Him. Pride won out so we toil in the garden. We still reap the rewards of the fruit, but the toil is the path we selected. The Garden was our education in the development of sentience. The path of education was either by God as the teacher or our own pride. Either way, God is the teacher.
In the Beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Matter). Let there be light (Energy).
Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Do you actually have a thought of your own on this?? No disrespect, but your posts are so one sided its not even funny.
I understand the whole "scripture, God, Love" thing. Thats not the question. The question is, if this "Bible" is true than it really blows a hole in Religion as a Whole, which I assume is why this has never been released until now. Just like the "lost books" of the Bible that now everyone wants to go over and question. Its the same no matter what.
Quoting scripture doesnt prove your point but it does give me some incite as far as your beliefs.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by windword
Revelation 11:18
.
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Well he damn sure ain't about to throw them a party for destroying the earth. Drilling into the crust in the oceans and causing massive oil leakes that kills off massive amounts of aquatic life, and pollutes the waters and the beaches and their attending ecosystems generally falls under destroying the earth. Then ofcourse you have problems like Fukushima and Chernobyl where the radiation lingers for decades and kills off all life in the immediate area, then there's strip mining for coal, the destruction of the south american rainforests, the logging industry, huge landfills full of garbage that stinks to high heaven, toxic waste being dumped into the oceans and in underground caves, the wars where tens of millions are slain.
Yeah, i can see why he's pissed
You are just making it up as you go along,,,
"Carbon is the element that is transmuted as the marker of our use of the fruit." Says who?, where does it say that in the bible?
What have apples got to do with mans use of technology? You are taking verses from a book that are so vague they could mean anything and putting your own interpretations on them and trying to say that its the word of god?
Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Not only is the Bible accurate on Science, Human nature, physics,
If the bible states these things as you say then why did the church burn people at the stake for practicing them?
Are you getting the Qur'an mixed up with bible? The reason why I'm asking is because the Qur'an is far more science based than the bible.
I think you have an overactive imagination. It says in the Book of revalation that not all men shall carry the mark of the beast? How does that pan out if you say athe mark of the beast represents carbon?
Also it says that the Beast has the appearance of a leopard, the mouth of a lion and feet are like bear paws hmm not like humans either....
We are also told that the beast itself is an eight king follwing 7 before him? no thats doesnt fit either hmmm
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by buster2010
Show me a religion that isn't man made. That and the bible foretold of another prophet after Jesus.
So you readily admit that religion is manmade, yet you then state this:
Originally posted by buster2010
Your joking right? Have you ever read the bible or even watched the news lately? He takes the food away from starving children by creating droughts so kids starve to death. And not destroy anything? Ever hear of Sodom and Gomorrah?
God loves death in so much that when he demanded sacrifices he gave directions on how it should be done.
You were on the right track to begin with. Religion is indeed manmade. The whole idea of God being an angry, jealous and vengeful entity is at odds with who God is by definition, those characteristics are bestowed upon him by religion. But if he were such an entity he wouldn't be God, he would be evil (IE, Satan). You can't have it both ways, either you don't believe in God or you do, and if you do then you have to accept that he is pure, perfect, loving and just. Because if you don't believe he is these things, then you don't believe in God because God MUST be these things by the very definition of who God is. Everything else is just misdirection thanks to organized religion.
As for why kids starve and there are droughts in the world, well that's a question of intervention. It's a silly notion to believe that God does everything (IE, creates droughts and starvation) because if he does then there's no such thing as free will and our existence is pointless. So the question isn't why those things exist, because free will and the ebb and flow of life creates all kinds of unusual conditions. The question is why he doesn't intervene to "fix" what we perceive as problems when they happen. I don't know the answer, perhaps he feels that tinkering with the outcome of life isn't proper and interferes with free will, or maybe we're just ants to him and he doesn't consider these things important enough for intervention, or perhaps what we view as terrible things are perceived differently by him, or maybe this existence is a temporary blip on the radar and is setting the stage for the pure and perfect world to come. Personally I believe the latter. If we never experience pain and suffering, then we can never fully appreciate the true joy of the absence of it.
edit on 23-5-2012 by SavedOne because: (no reason given)
You are confusing the results of our sin with the law of God. God's law is set into nature.