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Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
Either way if the evidence wasn't so overwhelming about these secret societies, then there would be nothing to discuss.
Either way if the evidence wasn't so overwhelming about these secret societies, then there would be nothing to discuss.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by NoRegretsEver
I agree 100%! but sadly some folks can't grasp the concept that that yellow belt most likely knows more about his Kata than the fat kid picking his nose in the corner playing Assassins Creed.
Just sayin.
Originally posted by W3RLIED2
reply to post by Texcin
No mason here has ever claimed to know everything... I believe completely that as a member who is active I know a shade more than your average anti mason would like you to think, but that's just, IMHO, of course. I'm open to being proven wrong.
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by NoRegretsEver
I agree 100%! but sadly some folks can't grasp the concept that that yellow belt most likely knows more about his Kata than the fat kid picking his nose in the corner playing Assassins Creed.
Just sayin.
You heard it straight from the proud traveler himself. People who aren't masons are "fat kids in the corner playing assassin's creed". Most masons I've seen are fat as hell and they never stop drinking beer until they fall asleep in their soup.edit on 24-5-2012 by protocolsoflove because: typo
Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
Just by the concept of a "secret society", and participating in such, you should realize that you don't know all that's going on. After all, even as a member, you only know what they tell you, and that information is only privy to members. So imagine what the top rung holds on too.
I think most masons are good people, that help build society. They built the park not far from where I live, and rebuilt it, after it was burnt down by losers with nothing better to do. No cost to the tax payer, they were happy to help. Most masons are good people, that do good things. But like all people, like all societies, secret or not, there are those that bring misery only to profit.
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
Just by the concept of a "secret society", and participating in such, you should realize that you don't know all that's going on. After all, even as a member, you only know what they tell you, and that information is only privy to members. So imagine what the top rung holds on too.
I think most masons are good people, that help build society. They built the park not far from where I live, and rebuilt it, after it was burnt down by losers with nothing better to do. No cost to the tax payer, they were happy to help. Most masons are good people, that do good things. But like all people, like all societies, secret or not, there are those that bring misery only to profit.
I would submit that being member make them much less capable of critical thinking and actual knowledge. Unlike historic freemasonry (which included Newton, Mozart, Franklin, etc...), the lodge today fails to turn out these great minds of man that actually better humankind.
All I can find today are degraded celebrities, members of society who only want personal gain through a network.
today it is just a bottom tier organization on the power chart, with a LOT of masons putting most of their efforts into concurrent bodies. So many of them spend much more time with their OTO brethren....
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
Just by the concept of a "secret society", and participating in such, you should realize that you don't know all that's going on. After all, even as a member, you only know what they tell you, and that information is only privy to members. So imagine what the top rung holds on too.
I think most masons are good people, that help build society. They built the park not far from where I live, and rebuilt it, after it was burnt down by losers with nothing better to do. No cost to the tax payer, they were happy to help. Most masons are good people, that do good things. But like all people, like all societies, secret or not, there are those that bring misery only to profit.
I would submit that being member make them much less capable of critical thinking and actual knowledge. Unlike historic freemasonry (which included Newton, Mozart, Franklin, etc...), the lodge today fails to turn out these great minds of man that actually better humankind.
All I can find today are degraded celebrities, members of society who only want personal gain through a network.
today it is just a bottom tier organization on the power chart, with a LOT of masons putting most of their efforts into concurrent bodies. So many of them spend much more time with their OTO brethren....
Yes that makes sense.......just like people who have a degree in their profession are clueless and incapable of critical thinking about said profession, over that guy on the street who thinks he knows........
That doesnt even compute........
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by NoRegretsEver
But what if you are a Grand Master like KSpigpen? There is no higher honor, so shouldn't he know everything? What if you are a 33rd Degree Mason with 60 years in the fraternity? What if you are a member of just about every subgroup one can think of?
When you are a member, then you understand the inner workings, and even if there are things you don't know, you at least know those things are out there and who might know them.
You compared it to karate and ATS. Yes, if I am a yellow belt, I don't know what a 10th degree black belt knows, but I know a 10th degree blackbelt, and I can ask him. Or, I can put in a few more years and join him. If I'm on ATS, I don't know what happens in RATS or Cosmic, but I know people who do participate in those. I know ex-Cosmic members (such as myself), and I know how to gain access to RATS.
So, it still makes perfect sense that the Masons know a whole lot more than the non-Masons in regards to Masonry. Why would anyone give more credence to the crazy rantings of anti-Masons, instead of just asking the real Masons?