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Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
What do you mean by "traditionally framed building"? All the WTC building have steel superstructures and column fixing spandrels as skins.
Do you think office fires expand beams?
Do you also think beams are not insulated?
Here is a section of WTC 7 - please note the insulation. It is there for a reason.
Originally posted by GiodanoBruno
Originally posted by GenRadek
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by GiodanoBruno
I find it crazy that the majority are willing to accept,blindly, that 392tons(2 jetliners + fuel) can easily pulverize 1,200,000tons (3 towers).
And in regards to building 7 ,there was no plane impact to blow-off the fire proofing on the steel columns/beams and trusses. So the question is how can fire weaken steel when(in the past) there have been many fires (all day and night fires) with steel structures in Spain and China... and none dropped down on its footprint?. Why would building 7 be any different? Was there a new voodoo-fire we thought never new existed, and suddenly on 911 it appeared to reek havoc in the big apple?
That actually brings up an interesting issue. Dr James Quintiere is/was a fire expert at NIST and he conducted his own independent research into the collapse of the buildings, and he theorizes the buildings never had adequate fireproofing to begin with. This is important to consider because this implies the fire codes in NYC are horribly inadequate, meaning that instead of griping how rare it is, you should be griping about how this might be a tragedy that's waiting to happen again in some other skyscraper under the right set of circumstances.
Of course, the truthers don't care about his research or how troubling his findings are. It's not fashionably sinister sounding enough for their tastes. Quintiere should have said it was the work of the Jews, or something.
I posted a whole thing to 4hero about the inadequate fireproofing at the WTC and he just ignored it. Typical really.
I don't see your post anywhere...If you would be so kind to re-post it again G-deck, I would really appreciate. But regardless, it really doesn't matter what documents or copy'n paste idea your are presenting. No one really knows how inadequate or sufficient the fire proofing really was. So even talking about it for any of WTC towers is bunk ,heresy,,, irrelevant. Fire can't weaken 5inch to 14 inch thick steel. And please don't post your flimsy church burning picture as proof. Thank you
What I don't recall is you ever trying to debunk my signature. How does it feel to be a paid shill?
Originally posted by GenRadek
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
There are many smoking guns to make an educated guess that 9-11 was an inside job:
1)two modest jets bringing down to huge towers constructed from steel and concrete.
2)wtc7 was far away from wtc1 and wtc2
3)everything came straight down rather than at any tilt
4)explosions were heard from many people
5)an airplane managing to fly so fast and and so low into the pentagon that defies logic.
6)an airplane managing to penetrate steel reinforced concrete "bunker-like" wall
7)no footage was shown of what struck the pentagon
8)all video footage from nearby business was confiscated by government agents
9)two wars were immediately started on muslim countries
10)the supposed perpetrators were quickly arrested and every mass media outlet was quick to jump to the same conclusions. What happened to methodic investigation, where it normally takes months if not years to piece the puzzle together?
And the biggest smoking gun of all.....DRUM ROLL......
11) $2.3 trillion dollars was announed to be missing by Donald Rumsfeld one day prior to 9-11. (9-10-2001)
Anyone with at least half a brain can correctly deduce 9-11 was a horrific inside job to take away freedoms from every american by perpetrating genocide and then conspiring to lie about everything. TSA, DHS, 2 wars, trillions wasted(bad for our debt).
Oh God. Its just copy and paste from those damned fool Truther sites.
1. Not just two jets but fires out of control, damage, and time.
2. WTC7 was 355 from WTC1. WTC1 was over 1,000ft tall. How can debris NOT fall up to 1,000ft away?
3. Due to design of the WTC Towers, floors fell internally while exterior columns were pushed out laterally (more or less), and core columns behaved like trees tipping over to fall farther away.
4. Yeah and so what? You mean having over 30+ acres of offices and two burning airliners wouldnt cause explosion sounds? Not to mention buried and burned vehicles later.
5. Nothing about the flight into the Pentagon defies logic, unless you have no skill at taking a plane and just aiming towards a 925ft and power gliding it, when an airport runway is at most 200ft wide.
6. No the Pentagon was not steel re-enforced concrete or bunkerlike. Do some real research into that, rather than copy and paste from truther sites.
7. Two to three exist.
8. Most were sent in and of all only one showed the clearest video
9. Afghanistan was targeted due to AQ being harbored by the Taliban, Iraq was in plans earlier cause we all know Bush Jr wanted to avenge daddy. But strange how no Iraqis were among the hijackers.
10. Well gee, who else was the biggest terrorist organization at the time that has also launched massive casualty attacks in other countries? And who bomb WTC in 93? The Tamil Tigers?
11. FALSE. There never was any trillions missing or stolen and this whole thing is the result of truthers and lousy reading comprehension skills. It has been a year earlier there were accounting issues with antiquated financial systems.
Nicely done copy and pasting. Too bad its all false.
The fact the buildings came straight down means the buildings were likely built with the explosives IN THEM so that if they ever become a danger, someone can trigger the procedure. I have read this somewhere but don't expect anyone to confirm this for you because it is a secret. If people knew then many would not work there out of fear, and fear only. The explosives are safe since setting them off involves explicit intent(no accidental explosions allowed).
Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by MI5edtoDeath
Nice 2-d diagram towers #1 & #2 are a lot taller that #5 #6.Parts from the plane could have Easily Gone over them and landed in or on top of Bldg. #7.Quit this nonsence.Thousands of people saw the planes Go into #1 & #2.Live and in person.
5in to 14 inch thick steel.
2. Didn't know flying debris(steel,glass and concrete) can start a fire on another steel structure 400 feet away. How many times has that happened.