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WTC7, the smoking gun that just will not go away until the traitors are rounded up

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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Great video showing loud explosion at WTC7 just before it collapsed.





posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath

What do you mean by "traditionally framed building"? All the WTC building have steel superstructures and column fixing spandrels as skins.


No.

1 and 2 had trusses and spandrels that resisted the lateral loads via the diaphram action of the floors.

7 had floor beams with moment connections on the ext columns that resisted lateral loads.

1,2, and 7 all were steel framed, and had their columns grouped on the ext and core areas to give a more "wide open" floor plan, and hence, more rentable space.

A traditionally framed building does not have the columns grouped on the exterior and core area. They are fairly evenly placed in floor area. No grouping. therefore, shorter distance from column to column.


Do you think office fires expand beams?


Steel expands as it heats. this fact is not disputable.


Do you also think beams are not insulated?


Of course they are. But no insulation is perfect. It cannot maintain ambient temps indefinitely. This is why the insulation thickness is dictated by fire codes, usually 3 hours for columns and 2 hours for floor beams. This time interval of 3 and 2 hours means that the specified insulation can protect the steel from rising above a temp, IIRC, of 600C for that respective time period. 600C (IIRC) is generally considered the temp at which it will fail in a properly designed building.


Here is a section of WTC 7 - please note the insulation. It is there for a reason.


Yes. the 3 and 2 hour ratings are specified because it is a reasonable time for occupants to evacuate and firfighters to get there to put the wet stuff on the hot stuff.


edit on 24-5-2012 by Fluffaluffagous because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Building 7 is, and will always be, The smoking gun that will never go away. Silverstein got greedy and also wanted the insurance pay off for building 7. Greed is funny like that, it's almost always the down fall of the subject bottomfeeder. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Where did I copy and paste from?

Everything I wrote were original ideas I have had for a long time.

You make a lot of superficial arguements that you probably know are false!



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by GiodanoBruno

Originally posted by GenRadek

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by GiodanoBruno
I find it crazy that the majority are willing to accept,blindly, that 392tons(2 jetliners + fuel) can easily pulverize 1,200,000tons (3 towers).

And in regards to building 7 ,there was no plane impact to blow-off the fire proofing on the steel columns/beams and trusses. So the question is how can fire weaken steel when(in the past) there have been many fires (all day and night fires) with steel structures in Spain and China... and none dropped down on its footprint?. Why would building 7 be any different? Was there a new voodoo-fire we thought never new existed, and suddenly on 911 it appeared to reek havoc in the big apple?


That actually brings up an interesting issue. Dr James Quintiere is/was a fire expert at NIST and he conducted his own independent research into the collapse of the buildings, and he theorizes the buildings never had adequate fireproofing to begin with. This is important to consider because this implies the fire codes in NYC are horribly inadequate, meaning that instead of griping how rare it is, you should be griping about how this might be a tragedy that's waiting to happen again in some other skyscraper under the right set of circumstances.

Of course, the truthers don't care about his research or how troubling his findings are. It's not fashionably sinister sounding enough for their tastes. Quintiere should have said it was the work of the Jews, or something.



I posted a whole thing to 4hero about the inadequate fireproofing at the WTC and he just ignored it. Typical really.



I don't see your post anywhere...If you would be so kind to re-post it again G-deck, I would really appreciate. But regardless, it really doesn't matter what documents or copy'n paste idea your are presenting. No one really knows how inadequate or sufficient the fire proofing really was. So even talking about it for any of WTC towers is bunk ,heresy,,, irrelevant. Fire can't weaken 5inch to 14 inch thick steel. And please don't post your flimsy church burning picture as proof. Thank you


What I don't recall is you ever trying to debunk my signature. How does it feel to be a paid shill?






Here is a section of WTC7. The NYC fire code for skyscrapers was and is extremely tough. WTC7 was built in 1987 and all structural elements were insulated and behind ceiling and wall panels. All wall and ceiling voids also had fire and smoke stopping intumescent material.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Nice 2-d diagram towers #1 & #2 are a lot taller that #5 #6.Parts from the plane could have Easily Gone over them and landed in or on top of Bldg. #7.Quit this nonsence.Thousands of people saw the planes Go into #1 & #2.Live and in person.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by GenRadek

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
There are many smoking guns to make an educated guess that 9-11 was an inside job:

NYC
1)two modest jets bringing down to huge towers constructed from steel and concrete.
2)wtc7 was far away from wtc1 and wtc2
3)everything came straight down rather than at any tilt
4)explosions were heard from many people

Washington, DC
5)an airplane managing to fly so fast and and so low into the pentagon that defies logic.
6)an airplane managing to penetrate steel reinforced concrete "bunker-like" wall
7)no footage was shown of what struck the pentagon
8)all video footage from nearby business was confiscated by government agents

Consequences
9)two wars were immediately started on muslim countries
10)the supposed perpetrators were quickly arrested and every mass media outlet was quick to jump to the same conclusions. What happened to methodic investigation, where it normally takes months if not years to piece the puzzle together?

And the biggest smoking gun of all.....DRUM ROLL......
11) $2.3 trillion dollars was announed to be missing by Donald Rumsfeld one day prior to 9-11. (9-10-2001)

Anyone with at least half a brain can correctly deduce 9-11 was a horrific inside job to take away freedoms from every american by perpetrating genocide and then conspiring to lie about everything. TSA, DHS, 2 wars, trillions wasted(bad for our debt).


Oh God. Its just copy and paste from those damned fool Truther sites.


1. Not just two jets but fires out of control, damage, and time.
2. WTC7 was 355 from WTC1. WTC1 was over 1,000ft tall. How can debris NOT fall up to 1,000ft away?
3. Due to design of the WTC Towers, floors fell internally while exterior columns were pushed out laterally (more or less), and core columns behaved like trees tipping over to fall farther away.
4. Yeah and so what? You mean having over 30+ acres of offices and two burning airliners wouldnt cause explosion sounds? Not to mention buried and burned vehicles later.
5. Nothing about the flight into the Pentagon defies logic, unless you have no skill at taking a plane and just aiming towards a 925ft and power gliding it, when an airport runway is at most 200ft wide.
6. No the Pentagon was not steel re-enforced concrete or bunkerlike. Do some real research into that, rather than copy and paste from truther sites.
7. Two to three exist.
8. Most were sent in and of all only one showed the clearest video
9. Afghanistan was targeted due to AQ being harbored by the Taliban, Iraq was in plans earlier cause we all know Bush Jr wanted to avenge daddy. But strange how no Iraqis were among the hijackers.
10. Well gee, who else was the biggest terrorist organization at the time that has also launched massive casualty attacks in other countries? And who bomb WTC in 93? The Tamil Tigers?
11. FALSE. There never was any trillions missing or stolen and this whole thing is the result of truthers and lousy reading comprehension skills. It has been a year earlier there were accounting issues with antiquated financial systems.

Nicely done copy and pasting. Too bad its all false.





1. Didn't know "out of control" fire was classified as the correct environment to weaken 5in to 14 inch thick steel.

2. Didn't know flying debris(steel,glass and concrete) can start a fire on another steel structure 400 feet away. How many times has that happened.

3. So what happened to the steel-tube core? You see Gdeck, in perfect conditions steel beams could weaken ,but columns can't,,not enough surface damage. And the core was loaded and I mean loaded with mild steel columns(plus reinforced concrete);so if your tree tipping/pancake THEORY did happen : what happened to the core? It should have been partially standing,meaning upright ,,,, if what you say did happened.

4. Maybe you don't understand the properties of sound travel. The explosion heard from innocent americans in the lower floors and the lobby didn't come from 94th floor.

C'mon, your getting sloppy.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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You quote John Quincy Adams in your signature- "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." and then proceed to call truther's fools and ignore blatant evidence!

Priceless shill work right there!

Bravo!



ONE DAY before 9/11 the secretary of defense tells the American people there are 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted for transactions.

One day before 9/11!

If they can 'lose track' of trillions, are you not slightly suspicous of this, given it was admitted one day before 9/11 and then forgotten about when the attacks happened and the scandal of missing trillions was sidelined by events of 9/11?



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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And before you deny the 'missing trillions' and disregard Rumsfeld's comment one day before 9/11, Bush actually handed one man the job of trying to find out where the missing money went- Dov S. Zakheim.

This guy needs a thread all of his own may I add!



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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The fact the buildings came straight down means the buildings were likely built with the explosives IN THEM so that if they ever become a danger, someone can trigger the procedure. I have read this somewhere but don't expect anyone to confirm this for you because it is a secret. If people knew then many would not work there out of fear, and fear only. The explosives are safe since setting them off involves explicit intent(no accidental explosions allowed).


Can you imagine Giuliani putting the OEM in a building with built in explosives?
Plus the CIA, Secret Service, SEC had offices in that building too.
I don’t think they're suicidal..
lol
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
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Nice 2-d diagram towers #1 & #2 are a lot taller that #5 #6.Parts from the plane could have Easily Gone over them and landed in or on top of Bldg. #7.Quit this nonsence.Thousands of people saw the planes Go into #1 & #2.Live and in person.


New recruit are we?! Why would you be so interested in 9/11 if you know what already happened? 11 Years down the line you have decided to become a debunker eh?!

So because you say so it's nonsense?!

What do you make of this video then eh?



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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I don't know what's scarier... the FACT (and I do emphasize the word "fact") that WTC7 was blatantly imploded or the fact that soooo many of you are willing to suspend common sense, common knowledge, available information and your own eyes regarding what took place simply because George Bush got on a mic and said "The bad guys did it!"

The lot of you are fools in the pot. I've never seen something so clear and indisputable argued and debated for so long. This subject - WTC7 in particular - is the easiest way to tell a sheep from a logical, thinking man.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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5in to 14 inch thick steel.


You mean Hollow C shaped box beams - they were not 5 to 14 inches thick


l.
2. Didn't know flying debris(steel,glass and concrete) can start a fire on another steel structure 400 feet away. How many times has that happened.



No, but plenty of other things (paper, carpets, furniture can and do burrn)



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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Wht do you get from your post? If you live in the US - and have children - they are being forced to be groped because of this. So is your Grandmother, nieces etc. if you have any pride or integrity at all, you would consider not being so naive.



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