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WTC7, the smoking gun that just will not go away until the traitors are rounded up

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Now according to you OSers, 911 was more than 10 years ago and nothing has happened and the truth movement is as good as dead. It is indeed by no means a "current event" and yet somehow it's more than keeping up with Justin Bieber....


Haha - it's not though, is it? You realise that if you gogle moon landing not all the results are discussing that it's fake, right? Or that if you search Titanic most hits are discussing, um, The Titanic, not some dumb conspiracy nonsense? So your larger number is meaningless. Exponent's lower one is far more telling.

You guys are fractionally as popular as a relatively famous teenager. Less popular than a plastic pony


No, there is a raging debate, and an active effort by many people who have the courage to stand up and speak the truth in the face of great ridicule like what you dish out all the time.


The debate fizzes briefly in some coreners of the internet, kept alive by the fauthful who have hard wired themselves to ignore the obvious and a few mendacious profiteers and anti-semites. But really the world has moved on. You're never going to get the hangings you want. Sorry.




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Reheat

If you know of this evidence of wreckage scattered all over that part of PA, why don't you post photos of that. Show me the pieces or residents in the area that have aircraft parts scattered over their property 10's of miles from an aircraft shot down at high altitude... What? You can't do that? Well, I guess your incredulity of limited parts in a hole is a double standard, which is very typical of your ilk....

It really astounds you that people like me would attempt to mitigate your type of nonsense simply out of a desire to stop "truther" nonsense from being perpetuated on developing minds, doesn't it. You'd rather make unsupported accusations of trained and paid shills because you have no other support for nutcase ideas that are only imaginary and based on total ignorance...
edit on 30-5-2012 by Reheat because: (no reason given)


Where are you getting these numbers from? The debris field was EIGHT (8) Miles wide and this information is readily available.

www.google.com...:en-US
fficial&client=firefox-a&s ource=hp&channel=np

There are videos, police reports, and we even have FoxNews reporting that the plane was shot down....

www.youtube.com...#!

I'm not doing any more of your work for you, stop wasting my time.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist

So, do you have a picture of the inside of that dumpster or what?



Yes we do

i662.photobucket.com...

Why don't you impress us with your knowledge of air crash investigations and tell us what that large part at the front of the dumpster is. The one you called a piece of rock.

Inside another dumpster.
www.silviacattori.net...



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
You guys are fractionally as popular as a relatively famous teenager. Less popular than a plastic pony


You really have some nerve comparing 911 to this trivial crap. It really shows what you are all about



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I get that you say Truthers are merely a large number, but the evidence suggests that even you don't think there are that many of them. Certainly not enough that your day of reckoning will ever happen.


By this statement you seem to relish in the fact that there was not a proper investigation and have no empathy for all the dead people and their families that deserve a proper, thorough, non-fraudulent investigation.

The 'day of reckoning' as you so eloquently put it, means a lot to the families of the dead, and for you to be so facetious is quite despicable. Surely you would want to see a proper investigation for the family members at least?


What stinks is that you sanctimoniously shoehorn "the families of the dead" into this discussion - and my statement wasn't even refering to an investigation.

I don't know if you know what a "reckoning" is, but if you don't you could have surmised it from the surrounding material. Or indeed looked it up.

As to your fake concern for people you don't know - grow up.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by kidtwist


I take it you've not seen all the NIST video archives on youtube, probably the biggest archive of NIST FOIA videos in the public domain, and guess what, most people agree that that the OS is total rubbish. Go take a look, see for yourself which way the meter is swinging...



Okay. So when is the big event where suddenly everybody realises that 9/11 was an inside job and people like me get hanged? Give me a vague ETA.

I think you're suffering from something that naive users of the internet often fall for. The delusion that what you are interested in is also what everybody else is obsessed with. You see a few hundred posts saying that "it's an inside job" by a youtube video and fail to realise that the vast majority of people aren't interested and havemoved on. A loud racket made by a few hundred appears like a massive number. It's not.



Who said anything about you getting 'hanged'? Were you involved in 9/11?!

Why would you get hanged? Please do tell me!

When is what big event? The majority of people already realise it's an inside job, haven't you figured yet?

You really do need to spread your wings a little, if you look all over the internet, and speak to people outside on the streets, you'll find that even the sheeple are waking up.

Youtube videos are very telling, there are thousands of 9/11 videos, and if you look at the biggest video archive of 9/11 on the internet, you'll see that most people do not believe the OS, and that only a small minority fringe group are clinging onto it, and most of those on youtube clinging onto the OS are paid to discredit other youtube users. Go look, you might learn something.

If you know how youtube works, which you obviously don't, there are normally literally hundreds or thousands of likes to the evidence that shows the OS is a lie, and the dislikes are few and far between. You always get a certain percentage of overall viewers that will click like or dislike, and a certain percentage that will comment, and it's pretty accurate. So with the like and the comments, time thousands of videos, we're into the millions, and you can bet that figure would be hundreds of times higher if everybody bothered to comment!

Let's face it, the plan did not work, they fooled people initially, but as time has gone on, people are waking up in large numbers. You only see what you want to see!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by SimontheMagus


Allow me to enlighten you about Light and Darkness. If one person lights a match in a pitch black room, many can see. That's the way the universe works. Only a very small percentage of people in this world have to wake up to overthrow the powers that be, and they certainly know this. That is why they invest resources in psy-ops. When enough people in the right places find out what has been done to them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere in your camp. I believe it was Bush senior who was quoted as saying, "If Americans ever find out what we've done, they would hang us from the light poles."

That's putting it mildly George.


Why would they invest money continuing a discussion that peters out as soon as their apparently "paid shills" stop posting?

When's the ETA for your match getting lit? Because in ten years it looks like you're not egtting very far. I imagine because you have to make up or mischaracterise the majority of your evidence. Guess the "light" needs a little help from time to time


Thank GOD there's intelligence beyond your babbling.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist
I take it you have a selective reading disability. The answer to your question was in my initial comment you replied to, it's quoted in this reply too. The contents are not plane parts, the contents would be contaminating what the spray sign suggests, this is not correct procedure for a criminal crime scene? Do you get it now?

Anyone can use a spray can, I could spray police on a car, doesn't make me a policeman!

So why don't you try researching the picture. Find out its prominence, rather than just posting that it must be fake because you don't know anything about it.


When are you going to step up and answer the questions waiting for you on page 39 of this thread?

You have no answers, you wont answer these questions comprehensively and sensibly! And you call yourself a 'debunker'? You're a joke to 9/11 research.

I did. Before your post.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
You guys are fractionally as popular as a relatively famous teenager. Less popular than a plastic pony


You really have some nerve comparing 911 to this trivial crap. It really shows what you are all about


Why? Is it out of bounds because you have some kind of sentimental attachment to it? Or for genuine reasons of taste? Because I don't see anything to suggest the latter.

And note that you're wrong anyway. I'm not comparing 9/11 to these plastic, worthless things, but 9/11 Truth. Which is quite a good fit actually...

Given that you were crowing about a mistaken depiction of dead children yeterday, laughing about how it somehow scored you a point, I'm not sure I need to take advice from you on how to stay classy.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by SimontheMagus


Allow me to enlighten you about Light and Darkness. If one person lights a match in a pitch black room, many can see. That's the way the universe works. Only a very small percentage of people in this world have to wake up to overthrow the powers that be, and they certainly know this. That is why they invest resources in psy-ops. When enough people in the right places find out what has been done to them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere in your camp. I believe it was Bush senior who was quoted as saying, "If Americans ever find out what we've done, they would hang us from the light poles."

That's putting it mildly George.


Why would they invest money continuing a discussion that peters out as soon as their apparently "paid shills" stop posting?

When's the ETA for your match getting lit? Because in ten years it looks like you're not egtting very far. I imagine because you have to make up or mischaracterise the majority of your evidence. Guess the "light" needs a little help from time to time


Thank GOD there's intelligence beyond your babbling.


Fascinating response. Bit light on actual content though isn't it?

I suppose like all the other ends of the world we'll be waiting a long time for this one too


Were you one of those guys who thought it would all come crashing down in '91? Or '97? Or whenever the last one was? I always wonder how the people who are exploiting you manage to persuade you it was a false alarm.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist

So, do you have a picture of the inside of that dumpster or what?



Yes we do

i662.photobucket.com...

Why don't you impress us with your knowledge of air crash investigations and tell us what that large part at the front of the dumpster is. The one you called a piece of rock.

Inside another dumpster.
www.silviacattori.net...


"yes we do" who is we? You lot keep saying we! You're not doing a good job at hiding that you're an independent researcher!

What is the component in the front? Do you have any analysis on it? Still seems strange to have contamination in a crime scene evidence dumpster. since when have the FBI been air crash investigations specialists?

I didn't check the other dumpster picture as it's not related to my previous questions. Another dumpster is not this dumpster.

Why would someone bother to photograph the outside and inside of a dumpster unless it was staged and people wanted us to believe it what was inside?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Just a note - I don't know if you guys understand this, but air crash investigation investigate (the clue's in the word) why the plane crashed.

In the case of 9/11 we know why so there's no use looking for a failed fuel feed or something.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by exponent


When are you going to step up and answer the questions waiting for you on page 39 of this thread?



I did. Before your post.


I've not seen you answer the questions on page 39 before my last post? I've checked back and you have not addressed them my re-posed questions, I'll re-post my page 39 response after this so you can see what I'm talking about.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist

Originally posted by exponent



kidtwist:

Why did NIST not look for explosives in any of the buildings?.


exponent:

There was no unambiguous test.


kidtwist: There was no test at all, considering the amount of people that heard explosions you'd think they would have at least tested for it? The deliberatley did not do one!


kidtwist:

Why did NIST exclude seismic blast dats for WTC 1, 2 & 7?


exponent:

There is no seismic blast data.


kidtwist: Siesmic records show some high readings, I guess you haven't looked into it, neither did NIST for some strange reason!


kidtwist:

Why did NIST excluded that WTC7 was a controlled demolition?


exponent:

They didn't. They tested it and found any plausible charges would produce deafening bangs more than 1km away. We have video from the event and those bangs did not occur.


kidtwist: There are numerous videos showing 'bangs' do you not remember these for instance?


There are loads of videos with loud explosive 'bangs' in them exponent!

You (exponent) said: 'they tested it' what exactly did they test? you didnt say!

You (exponent) also said: 'We have video from the event and those bangs did not occur' Who is 'we'?? Well they obviously missed all the videos with loud exlosive 'bangs' in them, such as the compiliation I posted above this comment!
How could they miss all those videos?



kidtwist:

Why did NIST exclude there was foreknowledge that WTC7 was a controlled demolition?


exponent:

They didn't, they interviewed the firefighters involved and found that it was Chief Nigro who set up a collapse perimeter.


kidtwist: So if they did not exclude this, where does it say in their report that they knew of this foreknowledge?


kidtwist:

Why did NIST ignore the FOIA for a good while initially?


exponent:

How would anyone know that? I don't work for NIST, nobody else here works for NIST, why don't you ask them?


kidtwist: Well do you not think it was odd they ignored the FOIA request? To the point a law suit had to be taken out on them? Is that normal behaviour when people ask for a FOIA request?
How do you know no one here works for NIST? Do you know everyone here personally?



kidtwist:

Why did NIST not release all evidence together, instead in dribs and drabs?


exponent:

Because it's not all stored in one big filing cabinet called '911 EVIDENCE DO NOT SHOW TO TRUTHERS!!!'


kidtwist: How do you know how they store their data? All pictures, videos and transcripts were digitised, they could have sent all files in one go quite easily. You know, copy & paste? Never heard of that simple method? Seems an odd answer to an easy question exponent.


Not exactly great atttempts to answer the questions exponent! Hopefully you can answer my follow up questions in this reply a bit more clearer, and more thoroughly!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Just a note - I don't know if you guys understand this, but air crash investigation investigate (the clue's in the word) why the plane crashed.

In the case of 9/11 we know why so there's no use looking for a failed fuel feed or something.


Since when do the FBI investigate plane crashes? I thought it was the job of The NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board)?!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist


You really do need to spread your wings a little, if you look all over the internet, and speak to people outside on the streets, you'll find that even the sheeple are waking up.



I get out. I travel the world. I have never in my life met a truther. The closest I have come is I saw "911 inside job" painted on a sidewalk in Kings Cross Sydney. Thats it.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist
I've not seen you answer the questions on page 39 before my last post? I've checked back and you have not addressed them my re-posed questions, I'll re-post my page 39 response after this so you can see what I'm talking about.

You have not checked correctly:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please spend more than 20 seconds on every thought. This isn't a race.


Originally posted by kidtwist
Since when do the FBI investigate plane crashes? I thought it was the job of The NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board)?!

The FBI investigates crime the NTSB largely investigates accidents.
edit on 30/5/12 by exponent because: adding extra answer



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Why do you keep showing this ridiculous picture of a dumpster with graffiti scrawled on the side of it? Do you call this an investigation? Do you really think this helps your argument?

Lo and behold, this is what a real investigation/reconstruction looks like. The victims of 911 deserve at LEAST as much as those of TWA Flight 800....

www.twa800.com...

but no, they are spit upon by our government because they killed them in cold blood and have no feeling or compassion for the people, only their own backsides. Exactly like their Masters.
edit on 30-5-2012 by SimontheMagus because: (no reason given)


Why should they investigate the plane? What exactly was so mysterious about the crash? You do know that investigations are reserved when the cause of crash is unknown, dont you?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by kidtwist

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Just a note - I don't know if you guys understand this, but air crash investigation investigate (the clue's in the word) why the plane crashed.

In the case of 9/11 we know why so there's no use looking for a failed fuel feed or something.


Since when do the FBI investigate plane crashes? I thought it was the job of The NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board)?!


What's that got to do with what I wrote?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by SimontheMagus


Allow me to enlighten you about Light and Darkness. If one person lights a match in a pitch black room, many can see. That's the way the universe works. Only a very small percentage of people in this world have to wake up to overthrow the powers that be, and they certainly know this. That is why they invest resources in psy-ops. When enough people in the right places find out what has been done to them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere in your camp. I believe it was Bush senior who was quoted as saying, "If Americans ever find out what we've done, they would hang us from the light poles."

That's putting it mildly George.


Why would they invest money continuing a discussion that peters out as soon as their apparently "paid shills" stop posting?

When's the ETA for your match getting lit? Because in ten years it looks like you're not egtting very far. I imagine because you have to make up or mischaracterise the majority of your evidence. Guess the "light" needs a little help from time to time


Thank GOD there's intelligence beyond your babbling.


Fascinating response. Bit light on actual content though isn't it?

I suppose like all the other ends of the world we'll be waiting a long time for this one too


Were you one of those guys who thought it would all come crashing down in '91? Or '97? Or whenever the last one was? I always wonder how the people who are exploiting you manage to persuade you it was a false alarm.

I'll give you one more lesson in Metaphysics (free of charge).

These people have ruling the world for 13,000 years. If you understood "as above, so below" (you can ask your employers about this) you would know that this length of time is exactly one half of a great cycle. Like any "day", it is half light and half darkness. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the sun is coming up. If you think ten years is a long time in this grand scheme of things, you have a lot to learn. But at least I gave you a head start.



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