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Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by GiodanoBruno
And how can the top-section of a building, with no sufficient velocity, can knock or pulverize the tubed steel/concrete core?? Boy, you love to assume physics.
It is something called: potential energy and kinetic energy.
4. We lost only 3 USS carriers to Kamikaze. And 2 out 3 continued its tenure. Those three carriers had bombs and the Jap planes had bombs. No bombs were used in WTC, according to you and NIST..The Kamikaze damages were not caused by the fuel or the impact of the aluminum Jap planes. Seems You are in denial of your own history. And please don't give me a list of fighters and artillery ship that sank do to Kamikazes. Let's compare the sheer size of carrier to the sheer size of a skyscraper.
The plane didnt cause much damage to the ships? Really? I am aware of the bombs strapped to planes or loaded for added punch, but the plane impact DID do quite a bit of damage to the ships, depending on where and how it hit.
Also why are you comparing a warship to a building?
You want to complain about size vs size, how is it that a bullet the size of a bumble bee can kill a person that is 180lbs and stands 6'5"? How is it that a bullet can kill a full sized rhino? Please do not go down this ridiculous path about size and how something small cannot do serious damage to something much larger. Explain that to the Shuttle Columbia, or the Titanic. A piece of ice, something you can throw in your drink, or cut into funny shapes, or break off your gutter and smash on the side walk, managed to destroy two large complex vehicles, which were both technologically complex and sophisticated. I guess they were actually sabotaged too right? After all, I once threw ice at a car door, and the ice exploded. There is no way ice could sink a ship or destroy a space shuttle.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by maxella1
The white house also approved their report. Lol
Right but CTBUH is actually a professional organisation. I don't think they have any political connection I'm aware of. My point is that if their report is as crazily out of this world as 4hero and others seem to think, why are these professional groups accepting it? I'm pretty sure I read even the ASCE said something?
It doesn't make sense to me how both could be true.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Originally posted by GiodanoBruno
And what about you'all Paid-OSers?
So you admit that you're spending your time discussing stuff with people you think are paid to waste your time. I'd say that was pathetic.
Originally posted by maxella1
In other words you are saying that the federal government have no influence in professional organizations, is that right?
For example the US government would not make a private professional organization like let's say BP to pay $1 billion dollars for an accident without any kind of court ruling. Is that what you are saying or am I confused?
I didn't say no influence, but I find it extremely hard to believe that they can somehow influence a bunch of professional engineers. I know if some shady guy came up to me demanding that I pretend I supported something I didn't I would just record him and dump it on the Internet somewhere. I don't see that it's possible for large groups of people to be coerced like this.
PRESIDENT CLINTON: The United States Government did something that was wrong, deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. We can end the silence. We can stop turning our heads away. We can look at you in the eye and finally say on behalf of the American people what the United States Government did was shameful, and I am sorry. (Applause) CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: This apology was 65 years in coming. Now the U.S. government has officially said, "sorry" for its role in the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. It started out with good intentions--medical doctors trying to find a way to curb the raging syphilis epidemic that was taking its highest toll on blacks in the South.
I don't know much about the deal with BP, wasn't this them trying to avoid getting dragged into a lawsuit? If they can pay $1b now or $2.5b if they get sued, it seems a pretty wise investment! I don't know much about the topic though so maybe I am getting confused.
Originally posted by maxella1
I know... I couldn’t believe it ether. Maybe in fifty years or so they'll apologize for 9/11.
Maybe but it doesn’t change the fact that Obama reached a deal with BP in a private meeting, and not some lawyer representing the victims and BP settling out of court. US government can do a lot of things that don't sound even possible sometimes.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by maxella1
I know... I couldn’t believe it ether. Maybe in fifty years or so they'll apologize for 9/11.
Don't quite see how this is relevant sorry.
Maybe but it doesn’t change the fact that Obama reached a deal with BP in a private meeting, and not some lawyer representing the victims and BP settling out of court. US government can do a lot of things that don't sound even possible sometimes.
I can believe this, but convincing an organisation of a few thousand engineers to knowingly cover up the murder of 3000 US citizens? I cannot believe any group would be willing to do this, and I can't imagine any possible way that they could be coerced into doing it against their will or without them knowing.
Sorry man but that is a pretty extreme claim so I'd want to see some really good evidence to support it.
Originally posted by maxella1
It's funny how everything is irrelevant if it goes against your beliefs.
Now with this in mind. Think what if CTBUH was approached by the government and was told that disagreeing would jeopardize national security. What do you think CTBUH would do? And would you consider that if CTBUH agreed, it was with good intentions. National Security is a big deal don't you think?
Originally posted by maxella1
It's funny how everything is irrelevant if it goes against your beliefs.
Originally posted by exponent
This is the second time you've been offensive in a few posts. Why? What have I ever done to you. I'm posting honestly and politely and you keep having these snide little jabs as if it helped your case.
Originally posted by maxella1
In my opinion this is better than facebook, you guys are just too much fun.
Sometimes you piss me off but I don't stay angry too long. After all you are part of the reason I started researching 9/11 in the first place.
Originally posted by maxella1
Now with this in mind. Think what if CTBUH was approached by the government and was told that disagreeing would jeopardize national security. What do you think CTBUH would do? And would you consider that if CTBUH agreed, it was with good intentions. National Security is a big deal don't you think?
This is the second time you've been offensive in a few posts. Why? What have I ever done to you. I'm posting honestly and politely and you keep having these snide little jabs as if it helped your case.
National Security is a big deal, but I cannot believe for one second that a bunch of engineers would just say 'oh ok then we will lie entirely about our doubts'. Would 'National Security' convince you? Would it convince me? I think the answer to both of those questions is no, so why do you think it would convince people who literally agree to a moral contract prohibiting this?
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Originally posted by maxella1
In my opinion this is better than facebook, you guys are just too much fun.
Sometimes you piss me off but I don't stay angry too long. After all you are part of the reason I started researching 9/11 in the first place.
So you're happy to waste your time when a crime of this magnitude has occurred? You're content knowing that you're doing what the perpetrators want you to do?
I'd say that makes you part of the problem.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Originally posted by maxella1
Now with this in mind. Think what if CTBUH was approached by the government and was told that disagreeing would jeopardize national security. What do you think CTBUH would do? And would you consider that if CTBUH agreed, it was with good intentions. National Security is a big deal don't you think?
So if you received a message from somebody ordering you to, say, stop posting here for reasons of "national security" you would immediately do so? And lie about your reasons for doing so?
Why?
Call For International Inquiry Into 'Inside Job'
American construction magnate Jimmy Walter, called for an international 9/11 truth commission during a press conference held in London on Friday.
Walter is convinced 9/11 was an inside job and believes that a truth commission will never be established in the USA.
www.mathaba.net...?ob