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"god" the dictator

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posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Im very familliar with that concept, and i guess it is plausable, at least as plausable as everything else. But that would also mean that we are all one, and if that where so, why do i have to read what you said



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by jisujaaljo
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I do in some cases. Like math, for example. 1+1 Will always be 2.

If were talking human behavior, then the answer would be no. Now lay out the trap i suspect My answer led me to


it is no trap. Just a question... now, I do not believe in the GOD of most people, but I do believe we have a creator which in english is said to be GOD which is a name for this creator, a means to refer to HIM when speaking.

I personally believe there are absolutes, the same as in math, 1 plus 1 equals two....murder is always a wrong action...

Now you will say, but there are times one must commit murder in order to defend ones own life, therefore there are no absolutes... but everything is in the definition yes? If I believe Murder carries the meaning of the killing of an innocent life for no reason, and you believe it is any kind of killing, then you will find yourself disagreeing with me due to a difference of opinion over the meaning of a word.

I believe there are absolutes in this life, and I also believe we are not the ones who can define said absolutes. Whenever we as a human race have tried for this definition, we have failed.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Very good answer, its just a little difficult to understand everythinbg my english is not the best
..but the most i understood



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Any further questions? You can ask me, or just watch that video posted earlier, it may explain things a little better than I can.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Are you connected with this modern manifestation of Illuminati?



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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truth is not about becoming, even though wat the guy here was meaning in pointing darwin theory about evolution value is not wrong

but truth is about what is right, so not a perspective nor a will nor a reality nor a fact
\why?

bc what is right comes always first and what comes first is then true since no cause

the problem with truth knowledge that everyone is eager about, is what it kills the truth by meaning to b true

u cant mean being true this is absurd, either truth exist then u r true already or truth does not exist then rather do what u want

for instance, truth knowledge lead to want positive possessions or mean superior pretenses

why? bc truth is absolute positive superiority

but, as despots everyone reject to respect the hierarchy of things that justify their existence before meaning smthg relative to

one by meaning itself should mean first everyone objectively as they look like, before meaning itself one or by meaning itself

the big object is more true then small one

but the small one could b more right if alone

so one cant mean being true by possessing smthg of
one must always consider truth rights objectively while meaning willing to b true

what i realized few minutes ago, is the true reason of evil

positive superiority is to the big truth so noone

but then noone should mean being positive nor superior
when truth is only out of absolutes, so positive and superiority is only to objective truth else

while then positive or superiority might surprise ones constant existing reality as a result they never realize, then they could say how they are true really out of that sense

so positive and superiority individually should b dealt with only in reality clarity terms, where the responsability would increase there from having to constantly stay like that of same reality of being true so detached of all the rest to mean, im kidding but i mean that it is not a cherry

so evil appeared from true reactions, where those gods rejected despotically any possible consideration to truth as positive or superior rights

they jumped to enjoy the freedom result from knowing smthg

anyway, if u consider honestly smthg in front of u as positive true object fact, then immediately u realize ur positive sense since it is the only way to relate to ur objective mean
where there u will find urself left with a positive sense of u out from what u were and that u didnt clarify before, which could b useful later kidding again

so the right rule, is to consider what is more always before meaning the point or when meaning the point relative of



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Are you connected with this modern manifestation of Illuminati?

No inside connections, however, i am a seeker working on obtaining the first degree.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Inside connections would kind of defeat the purpose of a society based on merit, so I would expect no less. I'm going to shoot you a PM.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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God isn't a dictator, religion made god seem that way. I believe in god even though I don't know his name. I'm not going to argue who's god is right or wrong, the main creator is the same god in every religion. He's busy elsewhere and only comes back when called. I talk to the trees and mother earth and thank them for for providing a place for me to live. The earth can forward my thanks to god.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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Good job,
I gave you a star for that particular comment. Yes, if you want to see God, then you should look no further than a mirror or inside yourself. You create your reality based upon your thoughts, words, and emotions. Once you take responsibility for your life, you can begin creating your own reality as you see fit, instead of entrusting someone else to rule your life, God, Government, Parents, Pope, Kings, E.T's, or whoever. You control your destiny, don't give it up so easily.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Never knew of a dictator who offered free will.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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"God's" free will =

Do as I command and live. Don't do as I command and die.

Sounds like every dictators definition of freedom I've ever heard of.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by jisujaaljo

First of all, I have been an atheist all my life and I have always had an great interest in our history, our start so to speak.
And now there is all this quantum physics and stuff wich to my understanding points toward some kind of creation, im perfectly fine with that. What really bothers me is the so called word of god in the bible. All it ever does is telling of how great god is, and that he should be feared, and so on.


The god of the bible is a human creation. Humans are social animals that have an intrinsic need for heirarchy. We will create something to be submissive to.

We create kings, and various leaders to fill this role within the structure that we instinctively need to maintain social order. We then (just as inately, and possibly with even less thought) need to feel that there is an overall Higher Power that everyone is answerable to. Be they kings, rockstars, peasants, Wall Street brokers, whores, that guy that cut you off in traffic, or you... Everyone. We feel there must be a final accountability, a final submission to that social order for all. So, you get a vengeful god, a righteous god, a god that must be praised and exalted above all things. It is simply the inevitable conclusion of a biological imperative, and people get kind of touchy when you try to call a spade a spade.

The bible as we know it was a construct of a few men to support a power structure under Constantine. Their goal was to consolidate belief into one true religion to promote harmony within the realm, to support their Emperors rule, and to create and support a system where they (the creators, or if you will deciders of what this Holy Book would be) would be in positions of power and authority. The justifications for this Cult of Authority was only added to over the years of course.

God is a dictator, because dictators needed him to be, even before the bible as we know it was decided upon, this was true and always will be.

For the record, I am not an atheist. Funny thing that.


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posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Thank you 4 the nice comment, its good to see that you thonk the same way

peace too you



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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You are welcome my brother (: Namaste



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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I understand what you mean, but the only way to manipulate the outcome is by changing the equation to begin with
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1+1 Will always be two.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
Here is a great video breaking down what celestial.... is talking about. Basically this is what the illuminati(if there is such a thing) have been practicing... very intertesting stuff...


that *was* a great video... even the audio was very uncheesy forthis type of yt video.

I think i will even share it and it actually cheered me up a little because this question really knocks me around at times.

I still feel like I fell off a house and into a hole though... I think I'll just lay here a while thinking.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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Well. I guess that if you confine absoloutes within our place in time (ex in our time it is not possible to live forever, we die)
And within personal definitions (ex my definition of murder is that it is only done with calculation on innocent people and therefore always wrong) 
Then it aint no absoloutes

Some of the definitions of "absoloutes"
a. Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional: absolute trust.
8. Law Complete and unconditional; final.
2. Absolute Philosophy
a. Something regarded as the ultimate basis of all thought and being. Used with the.
b. Something regarded as independent of and unrelated to anything else.

An absoloute is completley independent, and to take your example, to make "murder is aways wrong" an absoloute, everyone must have the same definition of what murder is in the core. If for example My child is being sexually abused, i would gladly murder the abuser, because My definition of murder dont exclude the guilty. 

At the same time i am against the death penalty, so the"absoloutes" aint even absoloute within my own definitions. 

As i said before, yes i believe in absoloutes in some of humanitys discoverys/inventions and so forth. 
Like the passing of time for example. Even if all there is just vanished, in the nothingness that is left time would still pass for example. 

And math. 1+1 always is 2

And a papercut always hurts like hell. 

But morality absoloutes i dont belive exists
In your definition the absoloute is depending on that we mean the same thing, but if dependent it aint no absoloute

Jimmy



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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My problem is this thing with time.

If we are to be gods, then what are we waiting for?

I keep getting caught back in the loop because there is no way to transcend time and space from this reality.

... except for maybe doing something drastic, but then I won't be able to talk smack about netanyahu and the pope... and that would mean they win. So I'm stuck here with a bunch of people who think I'm nuts.

time and space is a bastard of a dictator in this reality, I'd say.



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