Martial Law in Montreal

reply to post by Magnum007


Comparing draconian laws that forbid freedom of expression in other cities
around the globe doesn't make it any more legitimate buddy.

The government knows nobody is going to go through that kind of red tape
just to make themselves heard. What, you gonna ask the government if
you can go to the bathroom as well? Need a nanny state? Go to North Korea.

reply to post by Radekus


This has the potential of boiling over, as all protests have. However, there is an eerie timing in play. Not only is there an inquiry beginning into corruption and the construction business in Quebec, but the entire globe is a powder keg ready to blow at the slightest provocation.

Something just does not sit well with me with this new law. Was it really necessary to draft such a bill? Were the people really asking for that to happen? Somehow I suspect something else is at play.

On a further note, the chief of police said today that the tall fines would be levied at organizations and their leaders. See how they're easing it in? If they want it to escalate, someone behind the scenes will give the order to fine more people and anger the population, no matter how peaceful the protests are. IMO, of course.

Originally posted by MrMaybeNot
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

I can assure you I'd be right behind you.

And me beside you two


But I don't believe there will be any kind of Martial Law.

Comon! ets get at it! i am up to here with threats and abuse from on high!
Go home, arm yourselves and lets kick ass!
The reserves could provide some much needed firepower to the protest.....gotta get them on the peopes side!
Vive la Revolution!
No more can we stand idy while the police abuse our citizens......they are there demonstrating out of patriotism, and concern for the rights and freedoms of Canadians.....
The NWO goverment of Steven Harper has got to go now!
Ironic that the entire group of Montreal mayors backroom boys are being investigated for corruption hey?

reply to post by stirling


The people don't have a means of production, or a benefactor investor.
Without the means of production, the people cannot expect to win anything.
If there is any type of overthrow, of which I doubt due to disorganization,
lack of funding and infiltration, the next puppet in line will be presented
to the people to be voted on, and who funds his marketing campaign?
Those with the modes of production.

The only way to go after any kind of overthrow is for everyone to identify with
one leader, someone everyone trusts, someone honest, then install him as head of state,
and watch real change happen. If we continue believing in the ballot only
the Bourgeoisie will be elected, and guess what, the people are the main course,
Filet Mignon anyone?

reply to post by Radekus


The moment they do, they are signing there own death warrants. Canucks will fight back and they will fight back hard. I support them in doing so as well. I usually avoid any kind of support for violence but if the Military is used against Canadian citizens in this manner then I say kick there ever loving Law 78 asses. Go Canada!!!

reply to post by Flint2011


You're forgetting something very important,
Us Canadians don't have the second amendment.
Our Gun rights have been erased.
No funding, no weapons, no organized movements,
disorganized mobs is what we have.
Poor unarmed and disorganized mobs are easily handled.
The only issue is funding, the main reason the army may be called in is to replace
the police forces, they are getting mighty tired (physically) of overtime (budgetary constraints).
No one knows how the army will respond to this...
Only time will tell.

I can assuredly tell you that people will not respond well to having
the army enforce laws on the streets of Montreal.
People will come out in many numbers in protest.

There are two outcomes.
Either the government gives in.
Or the situation escalates.

Some people talk of NATO peacekeeper forces being deployed,
I think that's just paranoia.

Enacting Martial Law is much easier in Canada than in most places. During the Quebec Revolution it merely took Prime Minister Trudeau calling for it for it to happen. This so surprised the Parliament that they put some more boundaries on it afterwards.

If University is so expensive, why aren't they in class getting all their worth out of it? I happen to agree that post-secondary is quite expensive, but Quebec has the lowest of all the tuitions in the country already.

Quebec is French. The French riot over everything. It is somewhat hard to take them seriously.

reply to post by Radekus


Well, well, well. I am a long time lurker but I need to clear some things

about this strike. I speak French so please, apologize my bad English.

I know that you may have already chosen your side on this conflict but maybe you haven’t got all the information’s.



Let me begin by saying that there were a screening survey about this strike and the MAJORITY – 61%- are against students.

( www.lapresse.ca...)



Quebec tuition fees are almost the lowest in Canada(Newfoundland is lower but who lives there anyway?).

Actually, each year since I can remember, they were trying to increase tuition fees a little bit but every times, students came out and keep crying to keep fees frozen. (www.statcan.gc.ca...)



Don’t forget that some students won the right to go to school even if they are in strike as it is a fundamental need and some of them even pursue their own student association because they won’t let them go to school.

(In French only sorry :-/ lesnews.ca...

and tvanouvelles.ca...)



Every times that the Quebec government is taking an action, there is a riot and they retract. This time, they are keeping the hard line.

Well, it’s about time. We have the highest tax rates. 5% Fed + 9.5% (Qc) which mean that I already pays 14.5% of taxes on everything.

If tuition fees aren’t increased, this means that I will have to pay for them and I think that I already give enough.

Yeah, right, they won’t have enough money for their IPhone and their brand new BMW but they will in a few years. They should have a budget lesson.

Oh, I almost forgot, they are talking about freedom… Sorry? What? And mine? The freedom of using my money at MY will and the freedom to kick their as***.....?

Revolution? For what? We already have free access the healthcare, no toll road, etc... I think that these kids are whining without even thinking of what they already have. They take everything for granted and think that the world can be a better place than we already have. We should drop them in Afghanistan for a month. Now they would be complaining for something real.

Let’s see, 2 731$ for a fulltime session. How about yours ATS member? How much is an Harvard session?

reply to post by Radekus


I in fact am not forgetting anything. But trust me when I tell you this. It will come down to a fight if the Military is used. Canadians are not as afraid as most would think. History has shown that to me anyways. In a matter of no time Guns will come off the walls and caches will be dug up and come across that border in the tens of thousands if it escalates to a serious level. I have more than faith in my Canadian brothers and sisters in the North. I KNOW they will not bow or break. Kindest, Most Peaceful and intelligent people in the entire Americas. But make no mistake, Canadians are not people to be trampled on easily.

reply to post by atomik22


Thanks for posting this. Aside from the Military possibly being used under improper means aginst citizens, I can completely see where you are coming from. I was not aware of this side of things. While it doesn't excuse violence, it is a serious issue for many on the other side of this matter.

Great information for me to consume. I appreciate your lurking status going into remission for this. It sheds some light on the politics and concerns of citizens there.

reply to post by atomik22


Okay, first of all, how did La Presse get these statistics?
They don't say. I don't know about you, but I distrust mainstream media,
especially when so much of it is owned by the same people.
All they say is that their survey was filled by 800 participants,
no other information is provided, such as, HOW the survey was conducted,
they just say that it is reliable, in good faith of course.

Quebec tuition fees are almost the lowest in Canada

Only if you compare Nominal costs,
no one will ever show you a Real cost comparison.

I don't agree with everything some of the students do,
I'm a student myself and have chosen to go to school,
however, I do support the protests, someone has to say enough is enough.

which mean that I already pays 14.5% of taxes on everything

But it never was about whether the students were right or wrong,
it's about you not wanting to pay higher taxes.
I agree, you shouldn't, and if you didn't just mindlessly follow mainstream
media you'd know that these protests have evolved past tuition fee increases,
people protest for freedom
people protest for their futures
people protest because the government is corrupt, and because we pay too many taxes as it is.
If you read mainstream media so much, you should know by now that all levels
of government are corrupt to the core, they steal your money.
We pay with blood and sweat and we get nothing in return,
the real question is, where does the money go?

We already have free access the healthcare

What free healthcare? People die in the ER waiting room.
Reason? No funding.
Education was supposed to be free from the get go,
wasn't that what the liberals and NDP worked on as a coalition government
so many years ago that brought us these basic social services?

I say we AUDIT all levels of government.

reply to post by SibylofErythrae

If University is so expensive, why aren't they in class getting all their worth out of it?

Cause they can't afford it?

We are the highest taxed province in all of Canada,
Living standards, as you can imagine, plummet because of this.

reply to post by atomik22


Your mainstream media won't show you police breaking into stores,
but I will




Then the mainstream media lie and say that protesters do this.

i do not know if it's bein posted here before but
for those who would like to follow live here Live Feed

what will the night bring

It's in french, you can put subtitles in english
if you don't mind reading.
This guy breaks it down good: