America Is Terminal. How Long Does It Have Left?

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by diddy1234
A question for everyone in this thread :-

Looking at history, Hitler got lots of support and eventually into power when Germany was in a depression.

So is there a chance that a socialist government getting into power now that capitalism is on its last legs ?

btw, I didn't like how hitlers ideas turned out, I am just asking if this is a ripe time for socialism / Nazism to become more popular.

capitalism isn't on it's way out, fascism just took it's place for a while. there can be no free market unless we reorganize the legislature in a way that eliminates lobbying and corporate involvement on every level. corporations also must be stripped of their status as citizens which they clearly are not.

lots to be done but it can be done once this farce of a government has collapsed under it's own weight of dirt.

I have the remedy.-

When the Founding Fathers freed themselves from the British government,they were freeing themselves from the banks and corporations just as much.They knew corporations had to be kept in check.Incorperation is a privilege. Initially all corporations were selected to enable activities that benifited the public.Shareholders were only enabled to profit as a means to an end.Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy and other realms of society.They had alot of other conditions imposed on them as well,like they were not allowed to make any political or charitable donations.

Right now,the US Federal Government could preempt all 'state corporate law' under the courts current expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause.You could get around the Tenth Amendment and get them all out of Delaware.Corporate Personhood mocks the Bill of Rights and could also be removed.The Founding Fathers would remove it. Its not like your leaders couldnt fix things if they tried. And it could be done within your constitution.

Problem solved A guy wearing a patriot costume couldnt argue with that

Its genius

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by Starwise
reply to post by Germanicus

 

What is BRIC?

Sorry. Its Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa. All of these nations have come together. They are the core but many other less powerful nations support them like nations from Africa and South America. All these countries are a new power base. They will take over from America and Europe when the next GFC hits.

edit on 23-5-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)

What do they have in common? Massive natural resources, Brazil has energy independance, China owns a large portion of the Western World's debt, China and India both have a huge emerging middle class, South Africa has major political problems but massive natural resources that can be exploited.

And australia fits right in. We have a massive amount of resources.

We also have a low population. We can take millions if the infrustructure keeps up with the pace. The shift of power and capital to the East will be great for Australia. It already is.

Edit- I wonder why America doesnt make better use of its own resources.

Originally posted by Germanicus

Its all about faith. America and the West will have none when the next GFC hits. It will be worse than last time. The IMF and World bank will collapse. The BRICS nations can trade amongst themselves. they are more than just Brazil,Russia,India,China and South Africa. Many nations hate America. South America is full of them Venezuella and Chavez hate American Imperialism. They are with the BRICS. Cuba, Argentina,even the South American nations that support the United States officially dont like them. Then there is Africa. America took out Libya so it could not introduce the African Dinar. But there are many other Nations that will follow South Africa and side with the BRICS.

The BRICS Bank is the key to it all. The BRICS will not collapse when the West does. The BRICS nations and their allies will be the new power. America will have to hand over the Reserve Currency.

The standard of living will drop dramatically in America very soon no matter what happens.

Chavez is an idiot. The only reason he's still in power is that he's subsidizing gas prices in that country.
Cuba? did you really just put cuba up there with other BRIC countries? The country is run by incompetent lying corrupt murderous thugs.

Same thing with many african nations. Run by corrupt crooks.

Unless the political landscape changes radically I wouldn't expect them putting together a united front.

While the USA is declining somewhat there is still alot of power here and money.
And even during a decline money can be made and during the rebuilding process money can be made also.

Even if we get into another great depression. Which I doubt. We will come out strong.
I think your post is a bit biased.

reply to post by grey580


Im just saying that the BRICS have many friends already. Cuba and Venezuela are among them. Venezuela has a massive amount of oil by the way. And Cuba are not a nation to take lightly. The BRICS will not collapse when Europe and America do. The BRICS have many friends. The BRICS have a firewall. The BRICS have their own bank.

I am wondering how long it will be before they vreate their own currency. The African dinar was called a threat to the economic security of the world by Sarkozy. Thats why they had to go to Libya.

How long before a BRICS currency emerges to topple the US dollar? They must be planning it.

Its only a matter of time before the US sees hyperinflation. The Leaders of the United States must adress spending and National Debt with real solutions before its too late. China will overtake the US as the worlds largest economy in just a few years. America has a few years at best to save itself. At best.

Eversince after Vietnam war, every little boy outside USA and some within, with a grade 6 education has claimed 'America is on its last legs'.

Nothing new here. Move along. Just another thread to earn an egoistical OP petty little flags and stars.

USA does have problems. No denying it. BUT so too every single nation on Earth right now. Thing is, when the chips are down, where do humans put their money where their mouth is? None other than USA. The Treasury is loaded with with savings worldwide guaranteed by USA. It has the most gold kept in reserves amongst other nations.

The problems of America is only structural, and not systemic. The sacred Constitution is still adhered to, where change is possible every 4 years, from a state councillar to the President. And americans are an adaptable, educated and resiliant free people that is not adverse to change, for changes are the only constant in life, but those changes must bring stability to society to achieve all humanity's common goals in life, and had been doing so for centuries, which earned trust and respect worldwide time after time.

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the rest of the world. Tyrants abound, clinging onto power with lies and brutuality to its masses. One down and as usual, another takes its place...

BRICS as hope? Even my toes are laffing. Russia, ruled by a tyrant where change simply means the president exchange seats with the PM? India - the hot bed of corruption where even the masses are highly angered with now? China - a totalitarian state where rule of law is whomever in the CCP leadership say is law at the moment? Brazil - with a few minority rich and the cronies ruling the masses mired in poverty? Can they even get their act as a nation, let alone together as a stable monetary union?

Which is why until today, after so many years, there are no 'BRIC' dollars, nor forseeable in the future, nor will even be trusted by merchants.

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The US will continue even if the currency and banking system fail.

It could cause short term shortages and lots of looting.

But, I have faith in the people of this country. Farmers will continue to grow food. People will continue to figure out how to build business. There will be many people unemployed but that will change.

I think that we will emerge on the other side of this economic disaster with a new type of government that can't be bought by big business so easily... at least for a while.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by grey580

 

Im just saying that the BRICS have many friends already. Cuba and Venezuela are among them. Venezuela has a massive amount of oil by the way. And Cuba are not a nation to take lightly. The BRICS will not collapse when Europe and America do. The BRICS have many friends. The BRICS have a firewall. The BRICS have their own bank.

I am wondering how long it will be before they vreate their own currency. The African dinar was called a threat to the economic security of the world by Sarkozy. Thats why they had to go to Libya.

How long before a BRICS currency emerges to topple the US dollar? They must be planning it.

Its only a matter of time before the US sees hyperinflation. The Leaders of the United States must adress spending and National Debt with real solutions before its too late. China will overtake the US as the worlds largest economy in just a few years. America has a few years at best to save itself. At best.

edit on 23-5-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)

Because I live in Miami and have spoken to many who have lived in Cuba and even with one guy that served in the military under Castro I have some insight there.

I'd be very worried by anyone that called cuba a friend.

Sure Venezuela has oil. But Chavez is practically giving it away to his people. How is he going to make any money of oil in his own country? It's like he's giving away money.

Like I said before. Brazil is going to be a very wealthy country in the future. But I expect it to succumb to greed just like the USA did. It's very hard to fight against human nature.

And btw. I wouldn't count the USA out yet. You don't know what the next technological revolution might be. The only reason we are dependent on gas is that the government makes billions of dollars off of taxes for oil.
Once there's no reason to keep using oil we'll retune and make a come back.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Eversince after Vietnam war, every little boy outside USA and some within, with a grade 6 education has claimed 'America is on its last legs'.

Nothing new here. Move along. Just another thread to earn an egoistical OP petty little flags and stars.

USA does have problems. No denying it. BUT so too every single nation on Earth right now. Thing is, when the chips are down, where do humans put their money where their mouth is? None other than USA. The Treasury is loaded with with savings worldwide guaranteed by USA. It has the most gold kept in reserves amongst other nations.

The problems of America is only structural, and not systemic. The sacred Constitution is still adhered to, where change is possible every 4 years, from a state councillar to the President. And americans are an adaptable, educated and resiliant free people that is not adverse to change, for changes are the only constant in life, but those changes must bring stability to society to achieve all humanity's common goals in life, and had been doing so for centuries, which earned trust and respect worldwide time after time.

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the rest of the world. Tyrants abound, clinging onto power with lies and brutuality to its masses. One down and as usual, another takes its place...

BRICS as hope? Even my toes are laffing. Russia, ruled by a tyrant where change simply means the president exchange seats with the PM? India - the hot bed of corruption where even the masses are highly angered with now? China - a totalitarian state where rule of law is whomever in the CCP leadership say is law at the moment? Brazil - with a few minority rich and the cronies ruling the masses mired in poverty? Can they even get their act as a nation, let alone together as a stable monetary union?

Which is why until today, after so many years, there are no 'BRIC' dollars, nor forseeable in the future, nor will even be trusted by merchants.

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edit on 23-5-2012 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)

You sound very defensive and worried. I think that is very understandable. I forgive your insults and all round rude post. Also, I sincerely appreciate your opinion. I really do.

I would love for you to explain to me how the humiliating Credit Downgrade is not a sign of an Empire with the smell of death. How do you expect to maintain the Reserve Currency status when you cant even maintain your Cresit Rating? Did you notice how little respect Obama got in South America recently? Notice Europe telling Obama to mind his business in relation to the Euro. Notice Obama bow down and grovel to the Chinese :eader Hu Jintao? Notice the statement that China made to America after the humiliating Credit Downgrade?

lets start with the humiliating Credit Downgrade. How will you fix that?

Then tell me how you will pay the National Debt. Dont you see it as unpayable when America cant live within its means and wont stop over spending? Dont you think that the economy is bad enough already without Austerity? Austerity wont be good for consumer confidence now will it? Are you not worried about Interest Rates? Inflation? Hyperinflation?

America is in alot of trouble. Americans need to acknowledge it. To comprehend it. Whats happening in Greece is not a tv show. That is what America will be like very soon. It will be bad.

reply to post by grey580

Sure Venezuela has oil. But Chavez is practically giving it away to his people. How is he going to make any money of oil in his own country? It's like he's giving away money.

See thats the key. Because we all live in a capitalist society it seems strange to us that a Nation would provide cheap oil for its people. If you look at many countries they do things like this. I think the BRICS nations will create a better world. The big four Oil Corporations ExxonMobil,Shell,Chevron and BP make all the money in the world. Its demonic. And they do everything they can to give as little back to their countries as possible. they will dodge any tax they can. In many other countries the Oil is nationalized. This means the profits go back to the people. Why shouldnt we all ahve cheap fuel? some things should not be for profit. If we nationalized the big Four Oil Corporations the profits will save the West no problem. So why do we allow them to rape our nations? China and the BRICS protect their industries from corporatists. The BRICS claim to be against Imperialism and I believe them. They have had to endure it. I think they will create a more fair world. America should not be subsidizing American Rice to sell to Haiti to undercut a Haitian peasant. I think in time the BRICS wil oversee a far more fair world than the one that America created.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by grey580

 

Sure Venezuela has oil. But Chavez is practically giving it away to his people. How is he going to make any money of oil in his own country? It's like he's giving away money.

See thats the key. Because we all live in a capitalist society it seems strange to us that a Nation would provide cheap oil for its people. If you look at many countries they do things like this. I think the BRICS nations will create a better world. The big four Oil Corporations ExxonMobil,Shell,Chevron and BP make all the money in the world. Its demonic. And they do everything they can to give as little back to their countries as possible. they will dodge any tax they can. In many other countries the Oil is nationalized. This means the profits go back to the people. Why shouldnt we all ahve cheap fuel? some things should not be for profit. If we nationalized the big Four Oil Corporations the profits will save the West no problem. So why do we allow them to rape our nations? China and the BRICS protect their industries from corporatists. The BRICS claim to be against Imperialism and I believe them. They have had to endure it. I think they will create a more fair world. America should not be subsidizing American Rice to sell to Haiti to undercut a Haitian peasant. I think in time the BRICS wil oversee a far more fair world than the one that America created.

Ahhh but context is key. Chavez isn't giving it away for noble purposes. He's doing it to stay in power.

And you're delusional if you think that the BRIC nations are going to create a better world.
Brazil is a nation that has death squads that go out and kill street children.
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You're making the BRIC countries sound like knights in shining armor. And they are not. Most of those countries are more dangerous and corrupt than than anything you can imagine.

And I don't think that any of those countries are going to try to make anything remotely like a fair world.

You're making the BRIC countries sound like knights in shining armor. And they are not. Most of those countries are more dangerous and corrupt than than anything you can imagine.

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As opposed to the USA, where you can't get a bill passed in Congress without massive lobbying (bribing) and where gun related crime is higher than any other nation on the planet?

Originally posted by babybunnies

You're making the BRIC countries sound like knights in shining armor. And they are not. Most of those countries are more dangerous and corrupt than than anything you can imagine.

As opposed to the USA, where you can't get a bill passed in Congress without massive lobbying (bribing) and where gun related crime is higher than any other nation on the planet?

I never said the USA was perfect. It has it's shares of problems for sure. We can do alot better. Like stop raping 3rd world countries for their resources.

But if you think that a country like Cuba or Venezuela is going to make the world a utopia then I have some swampland for sale.

btw you are missing a bracket in your last quote [/quote ] not /quote]

Start transacting business in rubels, yuan etc and abandon using the Federal reserve note or any other currency in the Feds clutches.

Starve the beast and the beast will die.

I think BRIC stands for the "Broke Rich in Control"

reply to post by Germanicus

Well we fought off Japan ourselves. When your hero American General took charge of our soldiers he left them to die. McCarther was a coward. Dugout Doug. We didnt need your navy because the Japanese decided invasion of our mighty continent was impossible.

Apparently you don't read history because the US Navy along with some Australian ships forced the Japanese Carrier fleet to turn back from an invasion of Port Moresby in May, 1942. If not for the Battle of the Coral Sea the Japanese would have been on you're doorstep.

Originally posted by Partygirl
reply to post by Starwise

 

B = Brazil R = Russia I = India C= China. All rising new powers, increasing economically while the "developed world" stagnates.

Yeah and you know what happens when we're broke and defenseless? What did the white men do to the native americans?

Stole their land and put them in reservations. Gonna be the same thing when the new world powers are done carving up whats left of the U.S. except the reservations will be out in places like death valley where theres no water and impossible to grow food and flourish.

This big government's over spending and excesses are just ensuring there will be no U.S. for future generations, but it's ok 'cuz the worlds only got about 6 years left until the entire planet gets turned upside down in ways the world will not know and by someone they hate more than anyone else.

Originally posted by VforVendettea
Start transacting business in rubels, yuan etc and abandon using the Federal reserve note or any other currency in the Feds clutches.

Starve the beast and the beast will die.

Not going to work, you're just trading one beast for another one thats going to be just as bad. All those other countries that boast the currency you spoke of are waiting to carve up this country as soon as we are weak enough to be conquered. What is happening to the U.S. is the same thing that caused the demise of Rome. Not enough troops to defend the borders, while the government gets ripped apart by corruption on the inside with the troops they did have off fighting far off wars with a dicator sitting in his palace playing his fiddle while everything burns around him as he laughs his ass off (Nero).

The U.S. is walking in Rome's footsteps 100% like a mirror and it's scary because if you know anything about ancient Roman history then you can see exactly where we are headed and you know exactly at what stage we are in right now, which is our infrastructure is about to implode.

Are you asking someone to name a date?

Originally posted by omega man
Australia to be more specific Queensland will be the launch of the New World Order.

Where did you get that from?

Originally posted by Zippidee
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Your thread title got me to click. Your first post was good and definitely shores up some progressions and lays out the timeline and lends to the speculation of the outcome. But, and this is a big BUT!!! your post where you more or less rip the USA gets me peaved to no end.

America offers nothing. We need to cut ties. All our alliance with America does is make us a target in this region and it risks our economy. We should form an official alliance with the BRICS

Listen Pal....Trace your countries success to this point, or at least the economic advantage it has now and I think you will see alot of it has to do with the ANZUS treaty as well as the Australian-USA FTA agreement! Not to mention that your country was one of the recipients of the GM Bailout!

I don't deny what you lay out for us....I accept it and agree it just hurts a little when instead of trying to band together and fix our problem, you want to kick us to the curb and forget who helped you in the past. Thats alot like Italy, always switching sides to whoever's winning!

America has never helped Australia, that is a fact. Its the other way around, Australia has had to help YOU and got nothing but body bags in return.

I suggest you read this article, it will pretty much explain why Australia will eventually dump America in the future.

Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, ranked in the top 10 in gross domestic product per capita.

It is also one of the most isolated major countries in the world; occupying an entire continent, is difficult to invade and rarely threatened.

Normally, we would not expect a relatively well-off and isolated country to have been involved in many wars. This has not been so for Australia and, more interestingly, it has persistently not been the case, even under a variety of governments.

Since 1900, Australia has engaged in several wars and other military or security interventions (including the Boer War, both world wars and those in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq), lasting about 40 years in total.

In only one of these wars, World War II, was its national security directly threatened, and even then a great deal of its fighting was done in places such as Greece and North Africa rather than in direct defence of Australia.

This leaves us to wonder why a country as wealthy and seemingly secure as Australia would have taken part in so many conflicts.

To understand Australia, we must begin by noting that its isolation does not necessarily make it secure.

Exports, particularly of primary commodities, have been essential to Australia. From wool exported to Britain in 1901 to iron ore exported to China today, Australia has had to export commodities to finance the importation of industrial products and services in excess of what its population could produce for itself.

Without this trade, Australia could not have sustained its economic development and reached the extraordinarily high standard of living that it has.

It must trade to sustain its economy and, given its location, its trade must go by sea. Australia is not in a position, by itself, to guarantee the security of its sea lanes.

It therefore encounters two obstacles. First, it must remain competitive in world markets for its exports. Second, it must guarantee that its goods will reach those markets. If its sea lanes are cut or disrupted, the foundations of Australia’s economy are at risk.

This challenge has guided Australian strategy. First, Australia must be aligned with – or at least not hostile to – the leading global maritime power. In the first part of Australia’s history, this was Britain.

More recently, it has been the United States. Australia cannot afford to give the global maritime power any reason to interfere with its access to sea lanes.

Second, and more difficult, Australia needs to induce the major maritime power to protect Australia’s interests more actively.

It must make the major power dependent upon it so that Australia has something to offer or withdraw to shape the major power’s behaviour. Given the propensity for major powers to engage in war, they are always in need of additional forces, bases and resources.

A nation that is in a position to contribute to the global power’s wars is in a position to secure concessions and guarantees. For a country such as Australia that is dependent on sea lanes for its survival, the ability to have commitments from a major power to protect its interests is vital.

Deployment in the Boer War was partly based on Australian ideology as a British colony, but in fact Australia had little direct interest in the outcome of the war.