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The Court System and Freemasonry.

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posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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I don't often reply to threads in forums, but I feel compelled to make one statement to W3relied2. The reason many people will not ask a Freemason about the estorics within Freemasonry is quite simple.....Freemasons swear an oath to never reveal their secrets. I am not one, never have wanted to be one, and will never be one. My soul means more to me than fellowship with secretive organisations. If you aren't in the upper levels of Freemasonry (32 and 33) (and even the 90th degree! APRMMF), you aren't being told. If you were in those levels, you wouldn't tell us. You would, of course, keep those things hidden. Can't let the profane know everything, now can we? So you might ask, "Then how do I know that Freemasonry is evil and in league with the idea of Lucifer?" The answer is simple.....NOW THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS.

You see where you put yourself by being a Mason? Oh sure, with your fellow travelers everything is alright. But to the rest of the world......Freemasonry is becoming known as a satanic worshipping good old boy club that has no idea what the right hand is dong from the left, and no one trusts because of it's secrecy, outright lies, and mis/disinformation.

Most people who aren't Freemasons that are interested in what Freemasonry is are probably more versed in the writings of Freemasons than members are. You can't deny what Albert Pike said, the grand pooh pooh bah of the SR,.....Lucifer is God. (yeah, I know the quote. Satanism is a heresy.)

There is only one God. That is the Lord God Jehovah. The I Am. The Creator of all things. The Giver of Life. The God of Moses, Abraham, and David. The Father of Christ Jesus. There is no "god" Lucifer. In my studies, I have come to this conclusion....Lucifer is not so much a deity, but an idea. Lucifer is the "god" that man becomes when he (get this, what a laugh) obtains secret knowledge and hidden mysteries, becomes half evil and half good. Lucifer is not the devil, no. But, the devil sure does like the idea of Lucifer.




posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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If the Freemasons had something to hide, they would not worry about the lot of you on ATS. You people don't know anything about anythinng. That level of ignorance, quite frankly, is laughable and shocking.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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I deny that all the time. Some one else used the Taxil Hoax already, and it's been debunked over and over again. Albert Pike never said Lucifer is God. And regardless, Pikes book is written exclusively for the southern jurisdiction of SR masonry and applies to no one else. Sure lessons can be learned from them for any on the Masonic path, but really it applies to one jurisdiction only.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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I forgot to mention a few things....

1. According to letters by G Washington and other evidence, there was an infiltration of American Freemasonry in the late 18th century by Jacobists and Socialists (European Illuminati) that used the established work here in America to further their own agenda. Freemasonry wasn't always what it is today.

2. Most masons are not part of anything sinister, evil, or conspiratorial. They are doing a good work in the community.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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Albert didn't say it, huh? Why is it non freemasons know more than they do about their own organization?

That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?

Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods; darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive….

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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The Taxil Hoax

Try again, dude.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Hey, I'll retract something! You did show me something I wasn't aware of at all! Taxil Hoak? Never heard of it. I will research it.

Thanks for showing me. I'm open minded. I'm not a bigot. I can still learn.

I hold no ill will towards you, W3relied2. Just concerned about America, that's all.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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I'm glad at least one person is open to some learning. I appreciate your honesty and it's no worries! Takes a lot more than an honest mistake to ruffle my feathers.

ETA. That's some denial of ignorance you have all just witnessed, make a note of what it looks like!
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posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Don't worry too much about it. I think I read yesterday that God was actually evil and we were all being deceived.

How do you even counter that?

If a Devout Christian who might be a tad overzealous (I replaced thumper with that description just for Outcast Searcher) want to believe the Taxil hoax then he can be the one to look foolish when quoting it. Just as it's perfectly acceptable to claim most lawyers and judges are masons, and then provide nothing to back that up. this is ATS my good man! Where foolishness abounds!

But do be careful, I also read that California was going to fall off into the Ocean soon. (Wear a life jacket)



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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I will say this, tho, in my own defence. In Morals and Dogma, Pikes own book, he does give glory to Lucifer, saying Lucifer is the light bearer. And Freemasonry is a search for light. Now, some think Lucifer is Satan, but I don't think that is the case. As I stated, I think Lucifer is the idea of man becoming god by secret knowledge.

So is Lucifer (man become god through hidden knowledge) Freemason's god? I still say yes, and I don't see how a master mason could disagree. Most people just automatically link Satan and Lucifer.

But to God, there is no difference if a person worships Satan, or himself!!!!



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
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Don't worry too much about it. I think I read yesterday that God was actually evil and we were all being deceived.

How do you even counter that?

If a Devout Christian who might be a tad overzealous (I replaced thumper with that description just for Outcast Searcher) want to believe the Taxil hoax then he can be the one to look foolish when quoting it. Just as it's perfectly acceptable to claim most lawyers and judges are masons, and then provide nothing to back that up. this is ATS my good man! Where foolishness abounds!

But do be careful, I also read that California was going to fall off into the Ocean soon. (Wear a life jacket)


Indeed, Brother Senior!

I'm screwed if Cali slips away considering I could throw a rock and hit the pacific from where I currently sit. Do they serve sweet tea in purgatory?if so, I'll save you a seat at the bar, the devils buying the first round.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by samuraistuart
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So is Lucifer (man become god through hidden knowledge) Freemason's god? I still say yes, and I don't see how a master mason could disagree. Most people just automatically link Satan and Lucifer.


There is no such thing as a god of Freemasonry

Masonry is an adjunct to a Mason's own faith be he Christian, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, etc.

Anyone who claims differently is either a fool or has an agenda or both.

Fitz
(An Anglican Mason in a lodge with other flavours of Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, LDS and Sikh brethren, all who find no disconnect between the moral lessons of Freemasonry and their own religious upbringing)



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Should you chose to read a bit into that which you think you already know, I give you this link.
If not, no worries. We are all very lucky in that there is only 1 Judge Supreme, and he will be the one who determines where our eternal soul's will end up. Man can only speculate.
edit on 23-5-2012 by network dude because: bad spelr



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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If a Mason leaves
i didn't say anything about them voluntarily "leaving", i said they were removed, there is a difference but as ususal, you misdirect and generalize.

and no, i have no need or desire to "make things up" ... there's enough questions already, i needn't add any.


And just to pry I want to know what kind of metal your expert welder buddies are melting together
guess that would depend on what is being welded now wouldn't it?
suppose you could ask any number of the welders from the Gautier division of Bethlehem Steel.
although, i wish you good luck finding any living ones.

oooooh, a journeyman, that means you know how to turn the machine on and remember to lower the mask, right?
minimal disrespect intended as you have much to learn. (including respect for your elders)
not that it matters, but even i worked for ATTC and learned much about the welding tools you use, first hand, cause we manufactured them.
i would bet most if not all of your torch tips were manufactured by a co-worker or me.

so do tell, Mr Journeyman ... which metals require acetelyne?

i have not ignored your request, i asked 2 specific questions, both of which you've ignored.
continue on, i have nothing more to inquire, of you anyway.
glad you just made popcorn, enjoy, i've got a date, laters.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by samuraistuart
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So is Lucifer (man become god through hidden knowledge) Freemason's god? I still say yes, and I don't see how a master mason could disagree. Most people just automatically link Satan and Lucifer.


There is no such thing as a god of Freemasonry

Masonry is an adjunct to a Mason's own faith be he Christian, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, etc.

Anyone who claims differently is either a fool or has an agenda or both.

Fitz
(An Anglican Mason in a lodge with other flavours of Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, LDS and Sikh brethren, all who find no disconnect between the moral lessons of Freemasonry and their own religious upbringing)


So many lies...seeing you guys respond is so obvious now. It's like you guys are the front line of a football team, trying to keep outsiders from getting past.

"I believe in a Supreme Being, Who is One, an infinite intelligence, infinitely wise, infinitely beneficent, infinitely merciful, perfectly just and good, the God whom Freemasonry has always revered and worshipped,"

There is SO a god of freemasonry.

The above is the masonic confession of faith that all members sign and swear to.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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I also have many, many skills that are rusty, and I can bring them out and perform tasks as needed, but it would take weeks or months to actually regain the skill I once had in those areas.
i'm not arguing this point for the simple fact that i still ice skate, ride a bicycle, craft and employ a variety of "skills" that i do not practice regularly but can call upon at any given moment to produce.
sure, they are rusty but nothing a few practice runs won't rectify.

it's been forever but i would bet i can still dismantle and re-assemble an (older) auto engine without assistance. might not get it done in one day but it certainly wouldn't take much longer.

growing up in "iron city", many kids learned to weld before age 10.
actually, i got my first soldering gun around my 6th birthday. (the summer before i think)


Why would you assume Masonry would be mutually exclusive with other mentoring duties?
i didn't, i presumed they were more separatist in said activites.

congrats on your participation in the community, like i said previously ... most likely the "bold" answer.

still, what does any of this have to do with Masonic influences in the courts ???



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
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Should you chose to read a bit into that which you think you already know, I give you this link.
If not, no worries. We are all very lucky in that there is only 1 Judge Supreme, and he will be the one who determines where our eternal soul's will end up. Man can only speculate.
edit on 23-5-2012 by network dude because: bad spelr


1 Judge Supreme...sounds like a taco bell burrito.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by protocolsoflove

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by samuraistuart
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So is Lucifer (man become god through hidden knowledge) Freemason's god? I still say yes, and I don't see how a master mason could disagree. Most people just automatically link Satan and Lucifer.


There is no such thing as a god of Freemasonry

Masonry is an adjunct to a Mason's own faith be he Christian, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, etc.

Anyone who claims differently is either a fool or has an agenda or both.

Fitz
(An Anglican Mason in a lodge with other flavours of Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, LDS and Sikh brethren, all who find no disconnect between the moral lessons of Freemasonry and their own religious upbringing)


So many lies...seeing you guys respond is so obvious now. It's like you guys are the front line of a football team, trying to keep outsiders from getting past.

"I believe in a Supreme Being, Who is One, an infinite intelligence, infinitely wise, infinitely beneficent, infinitely merciful, perfectly just and good, the God whom Freemasonry has always revered and worshipped,"

There is SO a god of freemasonry.

The above is the masonic confession of faith that all members sign and swear to.

no, no it's not. But it does describe the God I worship. You may have heard of him. He is the guy the Holy Bible keeps talking about. You silly person, I thought you said you weren't an anti-mason. You know you can go to hell for lying.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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I hold no ill will toward you being an Atheist. It's none of my business.
But please have the decency not to defile my faith.



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Wrong. If a mason is expelled, he is expelled. May no more remeberence be had of him amongst the fraternity.

Seeing how Acetylene can reach temperatures of 4000 degrees F, and when combined with oxygen can reach in excess of 6000F, you can pretty much heat, cut, or weld any metal with enough practice, however with modern wire feed or stick welders, a much better weld can be achieved, and gas welding is used primarily in iron work.

Keep em coming, I havnt had a refresher course in a while? Tip sizes, metal gauge, whatcha got for me, how about we talk about OSHA structural steel regulations next and excite everyone reading!

I answered your question. I won't break my promises to my brothers, and there is a very short list of things I won't talk about. You don't want to accept that, it doesn't bother me in the least. You seem blissfull already, so why listen to me?



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