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Originally posted by Crabmeat
reply to post by AwakeinNM
Have you at least never heard this one before? or maybe you have but I presented it differently.
The Serpent which 'coerces' Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, informed her that not only would she not die as God said she would by eating of it's fruits, but she would become Godlike herself.
Originally posted by Crabmeat
I don't care about your ideas. This thread was to discuss MY IDEA. Lets try to keep ATS and different ideas ORGANIZED here.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
It is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Serpent did not lie per se, but told half truths. By eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve did know what God knows but were ill equipped to handle this knowledge. I have long believed that the "Fall From Grace" interpretation is the wrong interpretation of this myth. It is a typical call to adventure myth, and both Adam and Eve are the hero's who are called to adventure. Their adventure was to know what God knows. Their crossing of the threshold was eating the fruit. The consequences of this action meant that in order to know both Good and Evil they had to necessarily leave the Garden of Eden.
Not out of punishment were they banished from Eden, but because there was/is no evil in the Garden of Eden. This is why Satan had to enter the Garden in the form of a serpent, and why he could not lie, because evil does not exist in the Garden of Eden. Because Adam and Eve made the decision to know both Good and Evil it was necessary for them to leave that Garden. Of course God was angry, in the same way any parent gets angry when their child places themselves in great danger, and great danger was precisely what Adam and Eve chose.
Their journey was to discover evil and all that entails. Their sword (seizing of the sword) was/is to align the knowledge of Good and Evil in the same way God does. This is the road map back home. To learn to deal with both Good and Evil. Adam and Eve did not cast "Original Sin" upon us, but rather gave us the grand adventure of knowing both Good and Evil and the lesson of knowing how to align these two polarities within our knowledge. This is humanities opportunity for ascension, to know both Good and Evil and to learn - or remember - that if there is to be Good, then there must necessarily be Evil and to eradicate Evil is to eradicate Good.
edit on 22-5-2012 by Jean Paul Zodeaux because: (no reason given)
Gordon and Rendsburg have suggested that the phrase "טוֹב וָרָע", translated good and evil, is a merism, i.e. a figure of speech whereby a pair of opposites are used together to create the meaning all or everything (as in the English phrase, "they searched high and low", meaning that they searched everywhere). They conjecture, therefore that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil means tree of all knowledge. This meaning can be brought out by the alternative translations tree of the knowledge of good and of evil (the word of not being expressed in the Hebrew) or tree of knowledge, both good and evil. The phrase occurs twice as applied to the tree, Genesis 2:9, Genesis 2:17. It also occurs twice as describing the knowledge gained Genesis 3:5 and Genesis 3:22 where it may be translated perhaps with knowledge, both good and evil.
In this study I would like to study the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that was found in Gan Eden. This is the tree that HaShem commanded Adam and Chava not to eat. Bere# (Genesis) 2:16-17 And HaShem God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
When Adam and Chava ate from this tree they crashed the world. Most are aware that Adam and Chava required clothes after they ate, but most do not realize the profound ramifications of this sin that have reverberated through all of time. In this paper we will explore some of these ramifications. Mixing Good and Evil
The tree of the knowledge (daat) of good and evil contained fruit that was a mixture of good and evil. If this idea was present in a human being, we would call this situation: Doubt. Thus we have the tree of doubt, the tree with an admixture of good and evil. To understand this admixture we must understand the state of Adam HaRishon as he was before the sin. The state of Adam HaRishon before the sin was quite different from the state we find ourselves in today.
IN PART I, WE ESTABLISHED THAT THE STORY of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was actually part of the greater narrative of Berei# 2:4 - 3:21. An analysis of the story of the Tree, as such, must include an investigation of this entire section of the Torah. In Part II, we began this investigation by looking at the first verse of this section. We determined that this portion of the Torah is not simply a further portrait of creation but, rather, is the description of the conception and definition of a very specific part of creation - that of the moral universe. It is within these verses that we are to find the purpose of man - how G-d left potential in His creation for man to affect creation, thereby to perfect the world and, specifically, himself.