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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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VERY INTERESTING you post this and that i missed it.
it was about a week ago i wanted to post a thread asking if much research had been done with asking the "afterlife" questions about the "alien agenda".....be they demons?angels? or just ET?etc etc
of course i couldnt post a thread because i had zero post to begin with...as this is actualy my first .
i would think that such suppossed "true psychics and mediums" that communicate with dead reletives for answers aboutr family affairs etc..i would think these passed over souls would have some insight into the agenda of aliens, 2012 timewave., and even the great battle for our souls that many claim is upon us now..
instead i decided to answer my own question with my own answer that it is all very ...very real......if you want it to be.




posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Alfred2012
Regarding the following questions:
also at the level past real-time zone/earth bound? what would be the average daily experience for said person? what would they perceive and do on a regular basis?
Please could you help me to understand these questions?
(My English is not the best i must admit). What did you mean with past real-time zone/earth bound?


thanks very much for replying alfred I hope you visit this thread again. Your beliefs about the spirit world are very similar to mine, and I agree with everything you said.

What I meant by that question was could you explain in more detail daily activities and what the world is like from the perspective of a full spirit, or even a partial spirit with 75% conscious level. My hope is that the other side is more like a shared lucid dream. So these full spirits are performing human based tasks in a sort of dream world except with all the added benefits of being spirit, correct?

I would just like more information on what the world is like over there and what they spend their time doing?



posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Eonnn
thanks very much for replying alfred I hope you visit this thread again. Your beliefs about the spirit world are very similar to mine, and I agree with everything you said.

What I meant by that question was could you explain in more detail daily activities and what the world is like from the perspective of a full spirit, or even a partial spirit with 75% conscious level. My hope is that the other side is more like a shared lucid dream. So these full spirits are performing human based tasks in a sort of dream world except with all the added benefits of being spirit, correct?

I would just like more information on what the world is like over there and what they spend their time doing?



Thank you very much, Eonnn

Regarding your question:
Based on what i've learned so far (through my own OBE experiences and through sources of the other side) and based on contacts i had and I still have with some spirits, i can summarize the following MAJOR phases:

Phase #1 - You die: Consciousness of appx. 25% as an adult
when you leave your body then the "feeling" is as real as here on earth. You will basically think, analyse, remember, assess and you will "feel" as before. And you will know who you are, ie. you will know your identity (i don't mean
your physical body. I mean: you will think "I am" and you will know yourself at this time). There are two major differences:

1. Based on your thoughts you are able to "select" the reality. So you're independent of time and space at this time.
2. Your physical body is not important to you, even you recognize the body as belonging to you.

In that phase the consciousness might still be "limited" based on a strong focus (like on fear, hate, or similar). This could lead to a situation where you get stuck in the ghost belt for some time. But if so, this is also part
of your life plan, because you are still in a "learning mode". At this time your guide is still escorting you.

Even this is the first phase, you are in reality (even this is extended compared to earth reality). It is not a dream feeling as we know it from our dreams during sleep. You're fully conscious (even if focused) and you decide what to do.

Phase #2: Sanatorium
When arriving the "arrival level" (after dieing "by going through the tunnel" or after leaving the ghost belt) the next step is "usually" a regeneration stage. You will be in a type of "deep sleep" during a few earth month. This helps
to regenerate the consciousness (solving trauma, etc.). During this stage you won't be reachable by a psychic for example. So there will be no "big action" during this time. But still the guide is escorting you, patiently waiting.

Phase #3:
After this stage there is a type of "education" where you learn again how to use your consciousness to control reality. As I've learned through the other side this ability needs to be recovered because it is so different compared to the
life on earth. It seems that at this stage the spirits will meet other spirits also getting these lessons.

Phase #4: Pseudo-Heaven - Consciousness of appx. 55%-60%
Then you will enter a very interesting stage which is called "pseudo-heaven". In this phase the spirit has the opportunity to catch up on activities, you were not able to have on earth. This is a pretty cool phase. I know, that some spirits
went on world tour, which they loved to do during their life on earth but they never made it at this time.

I had contact to a spirit a few month ago "living" in this stage for a few month and i was able to follow on a daily base what she was doing. In this case she (her name is "Lisbeth") lived in a chalet at the Austrian Alps for appx. 3 months
(earth time). She build up this whole secenario by her own thoughts and was able to live as it is absolutely real. She was so happy at this time. She then had two friends (animals) named "George" (a white-tailed sea eagle) and later
a cow named "Berta". I know from my daily conversations with her that she talked to them like to people.

Again it is all real to them, no dream feeling at all.

At this time i've contacted her guide "Zahnder" and i asked him how long she would stay in this "pseudo-heaven". He told me that this depends on her own will, there would be no "hurry".

As far as i know this is also the phase where spirits can take over "helper functions" for humans on earth. So i had a "helper" spirit during my OBE experiences. He explained to me how to "travel" to time & space by focusing the
consciousness. And also "Lisbeth" contacted me in this stage (February 2012) asking, whether she may help in my spiritual development. Both initially contacted me during my dream state. I then had contact to both during waking state.

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posted on Jun, 11 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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"Lisbeth" told me later that she loves to be in contact with humans because of the emotions. She perceived emotions as colors. Remark: a few days ago i've learned from my guide that she and her guide reached the "L"-level. This means
they reached their full spirit level (100%).

Appx. 4 weeks ago "Lisbeth" told me at the end of our conversation that she now would like to explore new things. That was the time where she by her own decided to leave the "pseudo-heaven".

Phase #5: Rapid development of consciousness (up to 99% consciousness)
In this phase the conciousness is increasing rapidly and the spirit more and more is aware of the coming fusion with the full spirit, with the "home".

Appx. 3 weeks ago i asked "Lisbeth's" guide "Zahnder", whether she has reached the "L"-Level already. I received an image showing her waiting for something going to happen very, very soon. She was presented to me as a flat, fluctuating energy cloud
not moving forward.

"zahnder" asked me not to contact "Lisbeth" in this stage. It seems that in that case the consciousness would fall back a little bit by contacting. I got the feeling that it is like a sprinter waiting for the starting signal.
The sprinter would also be highly concentrated, a distraction should be avoided as much as possible.

Phase #6: Fusion with full spirit - 100% consciousness
As far as i know this fusion will happen quickly. After that a psychic is able to contact the spirit again. Then, the FULL SPIRIT would focus on the corresponding part which is then presented as the contacted spirit. As i've learned
the identity of the original spirit still exists within the full spirit (as a kind of energy pattern).

Phase #7: Life on the other side
Based on the different focus of the consciousnesses and the experiences the full spirits have, they have different fields of interests. And as i know they're still working, learning, doing reasearch and communicating with other spirits
all the time. And all the time this is fully real and they are fully conscious of all the activities.

You're absolutely right with your assumption that they're doing "human tasks" but with the benefits of spirits. The only thing what i'd like to add is that this all is not perceived as a dream, even as a lucid dream. It is a step beyond, because you
will know that it is NOT A DREAM but reality.

I understand from the other side that this is a wonderful and busy environment there...

Eonnn,
I'm very impressed by your understanding of the other side!

Do you also have contact with spirits?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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Thanks very much for the detailed explanation. It resonates well with me.

Unfortunately I do not have contact with any spirits, I have not yet discovered how to communicate with them, however I can tell when one is near. Most of my information comes from within, from dreams and paranormal/supernatural experiences and from researching on the net, eventually putting all the pieces of the puzzle together to see the larger picture.

How do you communicate with these spirits? is it all in your head i.e. telepathically? I used to do this communicating with 'god' or my higher self but its hard to tell if that's just you talking to yourself if you know what I mean.

I have a brother who has passed over and would very much like to communicate with him, I have seen him in my dreams, and I have perceived the other side through my dreams. In fact, he showed me around the afterlife in one lucid dream.

I also knew about this deep sleep healing process before you had said anything so it just confirms my belief. It works similar to someone who is in a coma, the longer you are in a deep sleep the more of your memory is wiped. However in the spirit realm I expect your memory isn't wiped, instead its more likely a distancing effect from your memories so you become less attached to them and therefore less affected by them.

Have you had any experiences with demonic entities or should I say lower astral beings? what are your thoughts/opinion on this?



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Myollinir

Originally posted by AlexanderTurboLover
They have no monetary system, no government, no religion and no family structure. Because of this, they are technologically FAR superior than us - though both civilizations started at a similar time.


How would that make a different species far superior to us? Religion gives us a means to attempt answering the WHYs of existence. Government (even though ridiculous people disagree) gives us some sort of structure to work with and at least try to work towards a better good. A monetary system made us evolve past needing certain items for trade instead of starving.

Are you being serious or the people who think this person who claims to have spoke to some random entity from some random place? Have you even observed the past 100 years and watched the evolution of our technology? An advanced civilization takes TIME, not anarchy and ridiculous claims.


We could easily live spiritual but not religious, meditating, seeking, no religous leaders. We could easily live with some grass roots organizations, and councils of citizens, no leaders, we are the leaders, we don't need the governements we have.

But FAMILY??? Sorry, As Above So Below, Family is forever.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Alfred2012 I see you are quiet well connected


I do however have a very interesting question for you.

During my times of travels I was shown a planet with a white sun and I heard a woman's voice she said something in the lines of "You are the first one to visit this new planet that will be soon home to many". The place was beautiful something I would call an Eden.

Thus I was pondering if you are aware of this new planet? or Is this Earth V2?

Any information would be appreciated and thank you for your time.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Eonnn
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I have a brother who has passed over and would very much like to communicate with him, I have seen him in my dreams


Sorry to hear about your brother.

Also you do not need to hear him but all you need to do is feel him. Do not think just feel no matter how long he has been gone for or how far away he will always be with you. He is part of you as you are of him and I am sure you shared beautiful memories together. I know you are an empathy skilled person just by the way you spoke about things. Feel him talking to you do not think that he is but feel the words and you will understand what I mean. I hope I was of some help and assistance but I am sure Alfred can add more to it. It is just like Yoda once said "you must feel the force".

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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Eonnn
reply to post by Alfred2012
 


How do you communicate with these spirits? is it all in your head i.e. telepathically? I used to do this communicating with 'god' or my higher self but its hard to tell if that's just you talking to yourself if you know what I mean.

I have a brother who has passed over and would very much like to communicate with him, I have seen him in my dreams, and I have perceived the other side through my dreams. In fact, he showed me around the afterlife in one lucid dream.

Have you had any experiences with demonic entities or should I say lower astral beings? what are your thoughts/opinion on this?


Communication
Yes, all the communication with spirits is done telepathically. I've experienced that this is a type of "universal" communication because it is used for communication with animals and other beings, too. Even it sounds not popular for many people: yes, there is also telepathic communication with ET beings. But this is a total different story.

I also had doubts when receiving telepathic messages from my guide when i got this "wake-up call" asking myself whether it is a real message i received or just fantasy. But my guide lead me to an information, which helped me to optimize the telepathic communication based on the principle of "attentive listening". If you're interested in this i could summarize in one of the next posts (i think it does not fit to this thread topic, mmh).

The dream state is very often used for (telepathic) communication because at this time we're in a very relaxed state which increases the quality of telepathic communication. That is the reason spirits use this state to contact us.

It is wonderful that you experienced the other side through this type of dreams and i can imagine, that experiencing the lucid dream was overwhelming to you.

Demons
I had contact with a demon once and this happened when i reached a special state called "sleep paralysis". After i had my first OBE i many times tried to get further OBEs. At this time i wasn't aware that my guide helped me to get the first one and he blocked all my trials afterwards (because it was at this time ego driven. This is solved now. :-) ).

During one of those trials i reached a state where my consciousness was fully awake but my body was in deep sleep, i was not able to move any muscle. When reaching this very strange state a demon appeared and it seemed to attack me. But i kept cool and told him that i need some time and then we will meet in the astral level where we can discuss.

It sounds weird, right? But after a few seconds - i then was able to move my foot a little bit - the demon disappeared immediately.

There where two findings out of this:
1. We don't need to have fear. It helps to be positive, friendly and prying
2. In this case, i got the impression that this demon was a kind of barrier to me. The intention was to create fear to check whether i would stop all activities related to spirit contacts and OBEs because of fear.

But in general:
Our consciousness and our thoughts are very, very powerful on astral level and beyond. What i have experienced during my OBEs is, that your thought basically selects the reality. If you think positive and friendly you will perceive the corresponding "reality".

I think, that this is the reason for the "hell" as described in some religions. This "hell" is basically located in your own thoughts...

I'm very interested in the experiences of other members on this but i think this blasts the topic of this thread.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by The Magicians Apprentice
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Alfred2012 I see you are quiet well connected


I do however have a very interesting question for you.

During my times of travels I was shown a planet with a white sun and I heard a woman's voice she said something in the lines of "You are the first one to visit this new planet that will be soon home to many". The place was beautiful something I would call an Eden.

Thus I was pondering if you are aware of this new planet? or Is this Earth V2?

Any information would be appreciated and thank you for your time.


Thank you very much for this very, very interesting question!
I felt somewhat "electrified" by your question and this is the reason:

As i mentioned in one of my recent posts i also have telepathic contact with other beings. To be more precisely: with ET beings. This started in October last year and still continues. I had contacts during some impressive OBEs, contacts during dreams (which have been very real) and i had telepathic contacts during waking state.

When i've read that you had many travels (i assume you're talking of OBEs, right?) and you had contact to this "voice" describing the wonderful planet, a "real-like" dream came into my mind, which i had two or three weeks ago.

In this dream - as i mentioned it was very real, but not exactly what an OBE would look like - i left the earth, together with a small group of other people.

We reached a new wonderful planet, with an blue ocean and mountains. But there were no other people there, yet. We decided to build up an environment for us with clear water and so on, where we could have a wonderful life and future.

Suddenly we noticed a fleet of UFOs landing on the ocean, appx. 4-5 miles away. We traced many human like ET beings moving over the water surface targeting us standing on the beach.

When arrived the higher ranked ET being asked me what we are doing here. I answered that we will build up a community for all the people and that we intend to live here in a wonderful environment with clear, fresh water, etc. expecting a wonderful future.

The ET being smiled, it seemed to be satisfied. Then all ET beings left the beach towards back to their space ships.

Then the dream ended.

This dream was very exciting because it was so real and i'm 100% sure that this was a telepathic contact with an ET being. But i don't have any idea regarding the meaning of this "dream".

Now you asked me this very interesting question!

I think you understand my irritation.

What are your thoughts on this experience you had? Any idea?

And.are there similar experiences of other members?

Very exciting!



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Thanks for the reply Alfred, perhaps you can send me a PM about communicating telepathically, so this thread isn't derailed too much.

I have experienced SP (Sleep Paralysis) many times myself, the first few times I feared it but learnt to overcome it, and discovered that fear makes it worse and that you can use SP to induce an OBE.

My experiences with demons has been extensive, I have also had some contact with angels and even god. Most of it comes about through dreams, SP, OBE's, meditation, altered states of consciousness and also in ordinary waking life. There seems to be a hierarchy with both demons and angels ultimately leading to the 'boss' at either end of the spectrum. I believe these to be only varying level of full spirits and outside of all that you ultimately have the source of all creation which is un-biased and just pure unaltered consciousness/spirit energy.

Anyway, getting back on topic my opinion on ghosts is that they are human beings that have not fully crossed over and exist on the closest astral level to this reality. This is what Robert Bruce from Astral Dynamics calls the real-time zone as it is closely linked with earth's time and events, very similar to what you first experience when stepping out of your body in an OBE. I believe Robert also says it overlaps our reality but is located about an inch or foot above ours, if you picture all astral layers overlapping and progressing upwards in height. This information seems to agree with me.

Basically if you do not go towards the tunnel of light when you die you will get stuck somewhere inbetween, I am under the assumption you can make the tunnel re-appear or a guide help you but most do not realise this. I have also heard that ghosts can teleport from place to place through reflective surfaces like mirrors and a calm lake. Although I do not know how trustworthy that information is.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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When you ask a spirit about a UFO, your best response would be a laugh in the face. They are not fooled as we humans are.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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sounds very interesting, do you have a link?



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 03:06 AM
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I'll read the thread in a minute but I think this is a great idea, for what it's worth I believe in most of it.. I get why some people will say one supernatural deal won't know , or claim not to know, anything about another but whatever I want to hear it.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 05:28 AM
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So, what ever happened? Seemed like this awesome thread just died. Please keep this thing going.
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posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by auraelium
How would a ghost know what a UFO is?
obvious, like we see UFOs , or read about, or whatever, people in the past seen many UFOs and strange things, so obviously they would likely remember about them when they are dead, just like we would when we die, being a 'ghost' might even have universal knowledge benefits, never know



posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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I like the idea. I was a member of a group that did paranormal investigations too and never thought to intermingle the two (ghosts & ufo/aliens). Clever!





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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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That is cool , I once read a post from a member on here about life after death and he put up this webcite called victorzammit . com I checked it out and its very very intersting. It has evps of all sorts please check it out when you get a chance



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Sorry I didnt get around to update this thread. As of now, I still havent gone to investigate. However, a few months ago a K9 dog got scared and ran away after he saw something in the corner of the building on the second floor. My friend told me that whatever he saw was not good and that probably is malicious. If that is the case (and from experience) its best not to mess with those type of entities.

I may just have to let that investigation go



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Very interesting topic.

I always thought to myself that perhaps one of the best ways to get information on the unknown, would be to contact the spirits of those who have already passed. I always thought that somehow they must know answers to things we don't understand or comprehend yet. As if when you die, you instanstly learn knowledge you were never able to attain somehow. Naive of me but interesting to say the least.

Having never tried anything like this myself, i'm very interested in your findings on these matters. Please do update this if you ever go ghost hunting for intel on the little creatures from outer space (or another dimension for that matter)





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