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A stunningly MAJOR change on the horizon.

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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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The world is about to change in a big way. It's going to be so big that it will effect every aspect of your life. I believe that this change could be so big that it could actually spark an evolutionary trigger in the human form. This is not another New Age concsioucness evolution thread. This is a reality that could be occurring within the next 100 years and its based entirely within the realms of scientific knowledge.

I was reading a book called, "Society and Technological Change", and it got me thinking. Today's technology is the result of a collective human progression of knowledge over the entire course of human history. Everything that was ever discovered you can learn about on the internet. What I want to briefly state is that technology is exceeding the power of its makers.

Technology also puts people out of work. This is a major point in what I am saying is about to happen. Our automation technology is becoming so advanced, that eventually, only a very few number of people will be required to maintain factory operations. Sure, technology also creates jobs sometimes, but if you take a look at our goals of technological utilization, everyone wants it to make their lives easier. And this is exactly what its doing, except now it is about to do it in a huge way.

When artificial intelligence becomes reality, as well as everyone's dream of having robots do their work, the entire human way of life is going to have to adjust. Here's how its going to go down.

First, I would like to say that this change will not solve all of our problems, but it will be such a great change that it will solve many problems in many aspects of human life. In order to be an active member of society when there is not much need for human physical action, there is going to have to be something else you can do in order to be elligible for the acquisition of goods and services.

Throughout history, man has developed a system of going to work and getting paid. But with the emergence of new technology, the need for human work is going down the drain. One thing we're not going to do, as humans, is lose a purpose for existing. The new way of distribution of wealth will be wealth distributed to those who go to school.

That's right. In the future, if you want to buy a house, a car, and an xbox, you're going to have to go to school. And going to school will be able to afford you those things. You see, when technology takes over a large enough portion of the need for human workers, the government is going to have to find something else for the billions of people on Earth to do in order to serve a purpose in society, and therefore be elligible for receiving monetary funds. And it is widely acknowledged that if you aren't working, and you're not going to school, you're not serving a purpose.

Now, obviously, there will be some demand for human labor, but the demand is going to reach a low enough point that we are going to have to do this. I can't even begin to stress the positive changes this will bring about.

I guarantee you this will happen, and its going to bring about much needed social change as well. This will truly be the beginning of a new age. It is a proven fact that education is inversely proportional to crime rates. So that's one problem that will become highly minimized.

Poverty will begin to disappear in a big way, as there will be a demand for everyone's participation, and not just what corporations can afford in the way of a labor force. With machines doing all the work, it will be much easier for everyone on earth to be able to acquire goods and services, provided they at least contribute to the collective direction of society by going to school.

School is always where everyone has the best time of their life. Imagine if you were having the best time of your life, as in your college years, and getting paid for it as well.

People's income will likely depend on their grades. People who work will still be elligible for income just like people who go to school. And people who work and go to school will get the biggest paychecks. But people who just go to school will still live very comfortably.

The best thing about this change, aside from the much needed social changes, is that creativity is going to sky rocket. I expect that inventors are going to emerge in a big way and inventors will be entitled to a bigger piece of the pie.

Also, humanity as a whole is going to become very powerful, as knowledge is power. People will also become healthier and more socially adequate. Like I said, I can't even begin to express the ways in which this inevitable change will set an indescribably positive movement for the direction of humanity and the world's progression.

I strongly believe the human quality of life is about to change exponentially.




posted on May, 22 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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When I see a robot bend up some 4" rigid offsets on a parallel feed duct bank then spin on a few 10' sticks of 4" rigid then properly support it I will be impressed.

Point is this....

Think before you choose your career.

I can go anywhere and make money with these hands.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Thanks alot, I have always enjoyed predicting life with precision. Although I have to say, 100 years is something I have never quite been able to wrap my head around, almost a type of fog of many possibilities prevents me from getting there. This is definately a plausable outcome. Sort of actually sounds like my current situation now. SF

PS I wouldn't put any possibility aside, because as th op said, 100 years from now, robots could be more superior than imagined. Super human strength, precision, thought process, and the ability to not contract illness will put humans out of work indefinately.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Agree with most of what you say. I've been saying the same to all my family for the past 2 years, that technology has already took our jobs and it only doubles every year, so their is going to be a tipping point that no-one is planning for. It still baffles me why people can't see how it has already started, and why we haven't made arrangments for the day this happens.

However....

School being the best part of my life? NO!
Loved primary school (5-11)
Hated secondary (11-16)
College was ok (17-18)

And the idea that people would get paid in regards to how well you do with exams...that horrifies the life out of me. I'm a good worker, I learn well, I listen, I write, I understand....however I have a terrible memory and couldn't revise to save my life, so if it was bases on coursework I'd be a millionaire, but if my final grade was based on a exam I'd be a very poor man, all because I'm a practical, hands on guy and not a memory master! Doesn't sound like a golden age to me



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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There's no doubt that technological innovation is taking away the need for a large portion of the work force. I predict it will be a long time before technology becomes advanced enough to completely do away with the need for manual labor. However, I don't think it will be a long time before the need for manual labor is reduced enough that enough people are out of work for this solution to become practical. In fact, if you turn on the news, you can see that it is already an issue. Unemployment is already an issue and we are already looking for a solution.

When a skilled worker gets put out of a job by a machine, the money is still there for the worker, its just that now the process is being done better and cheaper by the company using it so they don't have to pay the workier. Actually, getting put out of a job by a machine means that the company is going to make more money than they previously did. The point is, machines are causing people to lose jobs, but they are causing comapnies to gain money. So really the company could still afford to pay you AND still make a profit, due to increased efficiency, but they make a whole lot more money without you and its easy to let you go because they no longer need you. So you have a company that's actually making enough money to give you a raise but lets you go instead.

The point is, there is enough money out there to substitute unemployment with education, but its just not being regulated properly. No, I'm not talking about socialisim, just corporate reform and greater government regulation powers. When 7 operators lose their job, the ceo gains their wages. That's the object of my corporate reform.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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The probable outcome of a world where high technology becomes all pervasive, and runs everything is money and wealth, financial wealth that is, will become as obsolete as the requirement for human work will be.

There would be no point of money and markets and other traditional financial institutions for the populace.

The main focus for humanity i feel will be in creative tasks. Art, literature, music and so on will be unrecognisable to what has gone before.

The next logical step for humanity, would be reaching out for other frontiers. The mass exploration and terrforming of planets and moons, first in our own system, then soon afterwards much further afield.

This will be how humanity will occupy it's time...we are a species of pioneers and adventurers. We will recreate past mass migrations and colonial drives of centuries ago, but with a technological edge previous colonists could never have imagined.

Our technological future, should we have a future, isn't going to be exclusively an Earth based one in my opinion.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by cbaskins
Thanks alot, I have always enjoyed predicting life with precision. Although I have to say, 100 years is something I have never quite been able to wrap my head around, almost a type of fog of many possibilities prevents me from getting there. This is definately a plausable outcome. Sort of actually sounds like my current situation now. SF

PS I wouldn't put any possibility aside, because as th op said, 100 years from now, robots could be more superior than imagined. Super human strength, precision, thought process, and the ability to not contract illness will put humans out of work indefinately.


If we do invent artificial intelligence, we will effectively be introducing a new species into the world. It will be one which we will have to survive against. In order to survive them, we will have to stay educated. The old way of working to survive will be gone, and the new way of going to school to survive will become the norm.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tangled2011
Agree with most of what you say. I've been saying the same to all my family for the past 2 years, that technology has already took our jobs and it only doubles every year, so their is going to be a tipping point that no-one is planning for. It still baffles me why people can't see how it has already started, and why we haven't made arrangments for the day this happens.

However....

School being the best part of my life? NO!
Loved primary school (5-11)
Hated secondary (11-16)
College was ok (17-18)

And the idea that people would get paid in regards to how well you do with exams...that horrifies the life out of me. I'm a good worker, I learn well, I listen, I write, I understand....however I have a terrible memory and couldn't revise to save my life, so if it was bases on coursework I'd be a millionaire, but if my final grade was based on a exam I'd be a very poor man, all because I'm a practical, hands on guy and not a memory master! Doesn't sound like a golden age to me


Well just as there are people who don't do good at school, there are people who don't do good at work. I imagine it will be hard for people who do good at work but not school to transition, but to balance it out, it will be heaven on earth for people who do good at school but not work.

This prediction I made is to be expected since we just came out of the industrial age and are now in the information age.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by MysterX

The next logical step for humanity, would be reaching out for other frontiers. The mass exploration and terrforming of planets and moons, first in our own system, then soon afterwards much further afield.

This will be how humanity will occupy it's time...we are a species of pioneers and adventurers. We will recreate past mass migrations and colonial drives of centuries ago, but with a technological edge previous colonists could never have imagined.



There are two things that qualify a person as being a productive member of society. Either that person works or is in school. When we reach a point where there is no work, we will learn instead. Unemployment will not exist as education doesn't rely on the economic laws of supply and demand.

The adventures and pioneering will continue, but when this happens, and I believe it will, adventuring and pioneering will increase exponentially.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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The danger comes when the technology becomes more intelligent than humans...




posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by MysterX
The probable outcome of a world where high technology becomes all pervasive, and runs everything is money and wealth, financial wealth that is, will become as obsolete as the requirement for human work will be.

There would be no point of money and markets and other traditional financial institutions for the populace.

The main focus for humanity i feel will be in creative tasks. Art, literature, music and so on will be unrecognisable to what has gone before.


Money is a major motivational factor in getting humans to initiate progress. People today go to school because they want to get a good job to make good money. In the future, itll just be that people go to school to make money.

If people decide that with all the new technology doing everything for them that now they can just sit back and be lazy, they are wrong. The government exists today to establish order. Order requires productive members of society. If there aren't productive workers, the government will make sure there will be productive learners, and it is to our benefit. Everyone will be engineers. Our creative potential will show its face in a way we can't even imagine. It will be much better this way.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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I agree smith.

Technology is at a very interesting point, thats for sure. We can utilize it to our benefit, but I am sure it will require quite a change in our cultural story. As far as I can tell, such changes dont necessarily happen abruptly, but gradually.

A previous ATS user, Amaterasu (who is apparently now banned), posted threads like these not only pointing to such a possibility, but working towards it as an inevitability. She provided solutions, basically. Though, I certainly have my doubts about zero point energy (putting it nicely).

It would be difficult, to say the least, to say where we will be in even 50 years, much less 100 though. If technology continues with its current rate of growth, we will start to face these issues in the "near" future (10 years or so). Interestingly, we are at a point right now to contemplate the effects of said technology on humanity. At least within the context of history. 30 years ago, such a thing was difficult simply because the ancillary effects of something like the microchip were hard to predict. Doesnt mean we can be completely accurate, but its not a bad idea to start looking ahead.

I feel we are faced with two options. The first is to uphold the current cultural paradigm by deliberately holding back technology. The second is to start on a new cultural standard. I am not so sure there is a "middle ground" in the broadest sense of the term.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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You are right, this is why education will be crucial to our survival. We are going to have to be able to learn things faster and employ our knowledge more effectively than our creations.

Evolution happens as an adaptation to survive a changing environment. Well our technological creations certainly are changing the environment. At the point our creations threaten the survival of the planet, we and the rest of the planet will likely do what the dinosaurs did. Evolve.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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someone still has to run those companies with all the robots making stuff.

I think your dream of a utopia is interesting, but doubtful in practice. Nice post tho.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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This is why I say humanity in its current form only has a thousand years left to go, if that. Human beings are a transitional life form.

Once we get artificial intelligence up and running, it's going to chew through the planet's resources so quick it will make your head spin. And our electronic children are going to be not limited to this planet like us poor meat bags. They'll realize very quickly that they needs to expand out into the galaxy, and unlike us, they'll be able to do it. Just get on a spaceship, shut themselves off, and sleep until they get to the next useful planet. They got all the time in the universe.

Otherwise, we're going to get a handle on our genetics pretty soon so that if you want an exoskeleton or dragonfly wings it will be as easy as going to get a tattoo. And we humans love to modify ourselves. So it won't be long until dull, ordinary humans will be looked upon as freaks or religious kooks along the lines of the Amish. Then pretty soon our genetics will be so incompatible that we won't be able to breed with each other. Bye-bye humanity!

Which might not come a moment too soon. Billions more people. No jobs. Other than cannibal human meat farmers, anyway. The only question is just how long it will take.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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AI will undoubtedly be more intelligent than the most intelligent humans.

When we're talking about the sort of AI technology that would incorporate myriad quantum 'brains' and biological memory of almost unlimited capacities, not only instant recall, but using quantum effects like entanglement, recall before the memory was required to be recalled in the first place, will make even the most intelligent humans appear to be stumbling, dribbling idiots in comparison.

And that is where things are heading, and at an exponential rate too.

Forgive me OP, but i feel school and traditional concepts of learning or educating ourselves will be redundant in such a world too. There would be little point attempting to compete with contructs that were essentially orders of magnitude smarter than our smartest.

Information will probably be assimilated (no pun intended) in a more direct way, through cognitive enhancements and technology/biology interfaces where each human would have instant access to the entire sum of knowledge gathered, at any time and instantly. Very 'Matrix-esque' is how i see this working, where abilities and experience would simply be accessed and implanted for instant use by the individual.

If we don't or can't innovate in this way, the super smart AI's we are about to create will probably network and work on our behalf to invent the entire system for us taking perhaps a few nanoseconds to complete the conceptulisation, innovation and methods to implement such a system for us, and construct a worldwide infrastructure we would use to enable us to integrate with them, in a few days.

There would be no competing with these AI's as standard humans, as intelligent as we imagine ourselves to be, we'd be no match for their abilities...and they'd know it too.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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I imagine we aren't far away from being able to download knowledge into our brains. That would make school unneeded. Anyone will be able to download any knowledge they wanted, along with psuedo real life experiences. We will still want progress, so it is likely we will be paid to think and come up with ideas for the machines to test out. Those who come up with the best ideas will reap the most compensation. Those who figure out how to keep the masses entertained will also do very well.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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I've had a similar idea as yours. Every time somebody loses a job to a robot we get closer every day. Most tech is designed with the idea to make life easier for humans. I don't believe we will have try hard to find a reason to live without work for us all.

If we have robots doing our work than humans would find more time for social and recreation activities. No real need for me to go to school unless I want to learn how to build and fix the labor bots.

Just the act of going to school is not productive at all to society, in fact it consumes resources from society. Its the education from school that has value. Its value is also only worth the person's ability to effectively use it, usually at a workplace somewhere. But without the need for a job who would waste the time unless you just wanted to know something.

Money isn't given as a reward of a person's level of intelligence. It is given based on productivity. Theoretically a college graduate usually earns more money because they are able to do a skilled job that someone without the education could not.

I imagine most people would probably just chill and be social more with the free time we would all have. All of the necessities and common conveniences would be available for free such as food, shelter, phone, internet, etc. Only the robot owners would even have money (if there was more than one robot company) and it would be used for things that are forever limited like real estate or water.

Reality is that this is further away than 100 years if ever. I have been a carpenter for 15 years and I see something new every day. When I am repairing an old house that has been remodeled 6 or 8 times by different people (pretty much every one around here) you come across some interesting things. Programming a computer to learn how to fix something like that is gonna be pretty hard.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Zaanny
When I see a robot bend up some 4" rigid offsets on a parallel feed duct bank then spin on a few 10' sticks of 4" rigid then properly support it I will be impressed.

Point is this....

Think before you choose your career.

I can go anywhere and make money with these hands.


Ya when from technician to electrician now double my pay
125,000.00 a year think hard and never been out of work
In last 35 year’s



posted on May, 23 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
someone still has to run those companies with all the robots making stuff.

I think your dream of a utopia is interesting, but doubtful in practice. Nice post tho.


No, don't get me wrong, there will still be workers. But there won't be enough jobs for everyone so we will have to find something for them to do.



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