Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

Originally posted by SilentKillah
Let the gays have the same rights under a different term.

You do realize that same, and different, well those are not the same...

Why do you think you are better than gay folks? Why do you get to be "married" and they not?

Why not change the definition of marraige, that would be "cool" wouldn't it?

No? That "sucks", they never change the meaning of words. All well, if they ever do it will be pretty "groovy" and really "rock".

EDIT (Afterthought)
I wonder if when they changed "gay" from happy to homosexual, if there was an outcry like this...

Originally posted by adigregorio

Originally posted by SilentKillah
Let the gays have the same rights under a different term.

You do realize that same, and different, well those are not the same...

Why do you think you are better than gay folks? Why do you get to be "married" and they not?

Why not change the definition of marraige, that would be "cool" wouldn't it?

No? That "sucks", they never change the meaning of words. All well, if they ever do it will be pretty "groovy" and really "rock".

EDIT (Afterthought)
I wonder if when they changed "gay" from happy to homosexual, if there was an outcry like this...

edit on 5/23/2012 by adigregorio because: Added quotes around groovy, also thought of another word but I don't want to be an "ass".

edit on 5/23/2012 by adigregorio because: Afterburning a thought, sweet

Great point concerning terminology and definitions!
Nah, they didn't have as much outcry because they didn't have the "interwebz". Most of those who would have thrown a fit didn't hear about it until years later when their "celibate" pastor brought it up during a sermon not telling them where he found out about it.
...of course with some of these folks, they may not know yet or only found out a month or so ago!

reply to post by freakjive


I don't understand how any gay man or woman would support a party that historically is against their most basic human rights. Mr. White knew what he was doing well before he donated his money to the Romney campaign. I don't believe Romney should give him his donation back.

S+F for your post, freakjive!

Originally posted by zazzafrazz

Yeah I hate when people hijack words and make us redefine traditional crap...*shakes fist

Now those darn liberals are making us redefine "marriage" as a union between 1 man & 1 woman after thousands of years of being between 1 man & many women

Alrighty then...

Log Cabin Republicans is the only [Republican organization dedicated to representing the interests of gay and lesbian Americans and their allies. The 30-year old organization has state and local chapters nationwide, a full-time office in Washington, DC, a federal political action committee and state political action committees.

Log Cabin Republicans

Shirley, human sexuality hasn't crossed ANY political, social, or racial boundaries - whatsoever. Ever. For thousands of years.

And what about all those incestuous interlocking directorate relationships of corporations, who are now people.
I suppose they want more rights too.

Some day, none of this will matter. I wish that day was today.

Yawn....
People talking basic sense about equal rights and human rights, while bigots out themselves to argue about it.
It's all getting really boring.
I had no intentions of ever getting married anyway and subscribing to such an antiquated concept that doesn't even work.

reply to post by zazzafrazz

that is basically rewriting history

yeah, thats a christian virtue, it justifies everthing

It's none of anyone's business who someone choses to be with! It's funny how when it comes to 2 gay men it's seen as something bad but 2 gay women it's fine total joke! If 2 people love each other it's up to them! Some laws in USA are frigging stupid!

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Cassius666
We got seperation between state and church, to be our own masters, now we have the marriage construct in the state, where you have to take the marriage to a judge when either party wants to break it up. I dont see the appeal of a one size fits all contract. State marriage should be done away with and the obligations 2 people want to enter with each other on the legal level should be up to them and customizable. Marriage was supposed to be a promise, not a contract.

That would be perfectly acceptable, but in order to do it, all the government "perks" would have to be removed from those promises and that's the part the opponents are unwilling to let go of.
They don't really care about "marriage" at all, they don't care about tradition, they don't care about theology, they care about two other people of the same gender getting the same "perks" they get and they won't be "special" anymore. ... only my opinion only of course, I have absolutely nothing to back that up with.

edit on 23-5-2012 by PurpleChiten because: (no reason given)

Perks? You mean tax breaks? I dont think not all states and countries have them, or at least not tied directly to marriage, but to things such as being a parent.

I guess adoption is another perk for married couples.

Originally posted by geewizz
It's none of anyone's business who someone choses to be with! It's funny how when it comes to 2 gay men it's seen as something bad but 2 gay women it's fine total joke! If 2 people love each other it's up to them! Some laws in USA are frigging stupid!

That's easy! For most homophobic, heterosexual men, 2 women having sex= dream, 2 men having sex= nightmare

The more evolved don't worry as much about other people having sex regardless of their gender... but are still very interested in participating in it themselves with the partner of their choice

...speaking of which, has anyone noticed that Brooke Shields is perhaps better looking now than she was years ago? Amazing...

Originally posted by Cassius666


Perks? You mean tax breaks? I dont think not all states and countries have them, or at least not tied directly to marriage, but to things such as being a parent.

I guess adoption is another perk for married couples.

Yup, those would be some of the perks.
All states in the USA have tax breaks for married couples as does the federal government. Not sure about other countries though.

Originally posted by Cassius666
You mean tax breaks?

And since taxes are set by government(s), wouldn't this be a case of the government making laws establishing religion...

Just sayin'

One can not say "Marraige has religious connotations" and then say that the government has to follow them, since that is against some fundamental (heh) constitional rules.

Just remember to strip away all the extra crap from this argument, all boils down to morals and their pushablity.

"Being gay is wrong"
"Being gay is right"

^^^^^ THAT is the only argument. And it is a faulty one at that, since right and wrong are subjective. If being gay is "wrong for you" then don't be gay, if you enjoy man pokings, then gay away! Check my signature, "Go ahead with your own life, leave me alone."

(Though, I suppose you could apply it to changing a definition of a word. However, when the word was first created was also a case of the lyric )

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You're wrong. The majority of Americans agree with marriage equality.

Yet

Gay marriage thrown out by all 31 U.S. states where it has been put to vote

What should we believe?

One opinion poll or the results of 31 states that have voted against gay marriage?


It would appear that the balance of evidence suggests that you are mistaken.

Can't speak for the other 30 states in in this debate but the only reason the gay marriage bill wasn't passed in the state of Colorado is because a bunch of bigots filibustered it.

www.therepublic.com...

Funny that the party that houses the most closet homosexuals is the one that is strongly against thier own rights.

Originally posted by Cassius666
Perks? You mean tax breaks? I dont think not all states and countries have them, or at least not tied directly to marriage, but to things such as being a parent.

You should really read up on it if that's what you think... Education is a beautiful thing. Married people receive FEDERAL tax breaks for filing jointly. Without kids being a part of the picture.

Filing Jointly for Married People

Only married taxpayers may file a joint return for a taxable year. Filing jointly enables you to take advantage of many tax credits and benefits that aren't available to couples who file separately.

The main advantages of filing a joint return are:

The total tax liability of you and your spouse will usually be lower if you file jointly than if you file separately
There's less cost and time to complete one joint return
You can receive the largest standard deduction. This deduction reduces the income amount subject to tax if you're not claiming itemized deductions
A married person who files a joint return is allowed to contribute to an Individual Retirement Account (IRA) even if that person doesn't work

That is just ONE perk that married people get from the federal government.

Federal Marriage Benefits Denied to Same Sex Couples

Social Security Benefits

Spousal survivor benefit.

Spousal retirement benefit.

Lump-sum death benefit.

Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS.

Creating a "family partnership."

Estate Tax and Estate Planning Benefits

Estate and gift tax exemption.

Estate Tax "Portability."

And MUCH more. Really read about it before you make such silly statements.

reply to post by Procession101


Which one? The Republicans who were once liberal? The Democrats who were once conservative? It really depends on 1. how far back you are willing to go, and 2. what is against you. Creating a cradle-to-grave care system and repeatedly keeping predominantly 1 race into it is just as evil as not wanting to take care of any who are in need.

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
reply to post by Procession101

 

Which one? The Republicans who were once liberal? The Democrats who were once conservative? It really depends on 1. how far back you are willing to go, and 2. what is against you. Creating a cradle-to-grave care system and repeatedly keeping predominantly 1 race into it is just as evil as not wanting to take care of any who are in need.

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm speaking of the Republicans in their modern times incarnate. Try to muddle up my comments as much as you want but everyone else knows what I was getting at when I said Republicans stand against gay men and women's most basic human rights. I wouldn't neccesarily call it evil, I just think they are bigots and ignorant.

Originally posted by Gemwolf
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Come on. As we all know, if we allow two men or women to enter into a marriage, it would allow for all kinds weird behaviour. Next people would want to marry their pets because a dog has legal rights and can sign a legal document... And once again, there goes the sanctity of marriage right out the door.

Interesting point. I have three pugs, two of which are male. Which of the three should I be allowed to marry if they should ask?

(please, for the sake of God let no-one think that is a serious question)

reply to post by freakjive


I agree, personal liberty should trump Christian dogma everytime!

P.S.
It is easy to get Christians to act. You need only poke a stick in the hornets' nest (Bash Jesus publically) and then make it look as though the country is ailing. Most immediately start to think of Sodom and Gomorra, and they are then ready to act to reaffirm their faith, save their country etc...

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by freakjive

 

I agree, personal liberty should trump Christian dogma everytime!

P.S.
It is easy to get Christians to act. You need only poke a stock in the hornets' nest (Bash Jesus publically) and then make it look as though the country is ailing. Most immediately start to think of Sodom and Gomorra, and they are then ready to act to reaffirm their faith, save their country etc...

edit on 23-5-2012 by Donkey_Dean because: (no reason given)

Why are you making this a Christian issue? What faiths allow same sex marriage? That has nothing - nothing to do with the state granting a marriage license to a same sex couple. The fact that a church of whatever faith may not recognise it is neither here nor there.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by Gemwolf
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Come on. As we all know, if we allow two men or women to enter into a marriage, it would allow for all kinds weird behaviour. Next people would want to marry their pets because a dog has legal rights and can sign a legal document... And once again, there goes the sanctity of marriage right out the door.

Interesting point. I have three pugs, two of which are male. Which of the three should I be allowed to marry if they should ask?

(please, for the sake of God let no-one think that is a serious question)

edit on 23-5-2012 by something wicked because: for the bit in brackets

awww I loved my pug!!! I did ask her to marry me, but she said she wasn't ready for the commitment

(hoping the same for the seriousness of this post too!!)

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by freakjive

 

I agree, personal liberty should trump Christian dogma everytime!

P.S.
It is easy to get Christians to act. You need only poke a stock in the hornets' nest (Bash Jesus publically) and then make it look as though the country is ailing. Most immediately start to think of Sodom and Gomorra, and they are then ready to act to reaffirm their faith, save their country etc...

edit on 23-5-2012 by Donkey_Dean because: (no reason given)

Why are you making this a Christian issue? What faiths allow same sex marriage? That has nothing - nothing to do with the state granting a marriage license to a same sex couple. The fact that a church of whatever faith may not recognise it is neither here nor there.

true, but at the same time, about 75% of those who oppose gay marriage and 90% of the extremely vocal ones also belong to the "religious right" Christian cult (as opposed to the Christian religion).