Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

look at my name.

this means "as opposed to others"

That's nice.... look at my name... it means "Purple Chiten"

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
*I* am a bad speller. yes *I* take offense. I also have a lot of common sense and see when people are choosing to take things as though it's a competition of intelligence.

It's about the issues, not how smart it does or does not make you look. Nobody is getting brownie points in here for being the best speller or using the correct made up term.

But if you are not able to communicate effectively, you can't get upset at others for issues of your own making.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie


She was talking DIRECTLY to me when making two very moot points in the context of meaningless argumnt.

Furthermore, If a black person hears another black person get called the N word, does that mean they should say "oh, he wasn't talking to me"

trust me, I know how many errors I make and I also know how petty it is to get onto someone's spelling and If i want to state my opinion on that, I have every right.

Furthermore, I wasn't talking to YOU.

Get what I'm saying?

You wanna preach it, you PRACTICE it.

Seriously dude, you are very much over reacting and may need to just step away for a while and gather yourself. It's always better to walk away, gather your emotions, then come back and address any issues than to try to do it when you are visably upset and unable to process logic due to emotional overload.
Go out and take a walk, or play a game online or do something that doesn't involve communication for a while and refocus. It's much more effective than getting so upset that you compound the issue.

perhaps in the future, if you want to reply to a particular person without other people adding their opinions and input, send a private message. The message boards are for everyone and everyone is welcome to comment on what is said. Your skin will get thicker as you post more and emotions won't overcome you so much. Just take some deep breaths, take a little break, gather yourself, then jump back in and offer productive opinions again

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

look at my name.

this means "as opposed to others"

That's nice.... look at my name... it means "Purple Chiten"

Thanks for the giggle. You just made me spit out my iced tea.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

look at my name.

this means "as opposed to others"

That's nice.... look at my name... it means "Purple Chiten"

Thanks for the giggle. You just made me spit out my iced tea.

Welcome!!
I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress!

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Domo1
Also, can you explain to me (and the tone is not meant to be nasty I am genuinely interested) what bothers you about gay people calling it marriage?

Historically, legally and religiously marriage has meant a legal union between a women and a man. Not two men.

Can you explain to me why the historical, legal and religious meanings of the word 'marriage' should be changed to include same sex unions?

Because the world is always changing. When the world changes, we as a human society change and our rules, morals, ethics of what is right and wrong changes. We evolve. We grow. We mature. If we don't then we become stagnant organisms.

You can't go home again. You can't turn the hands of time backwards. And you don't want to... not really. It's not healthy. Grow with the rest of the world. Stop fighting what's inevitable. Toss aside your hatred. Forgive your parents for instilling it in you and learn to love the other human beings God put on this Earth.
It's what God wants you to do.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

As for statements to others about bad spelling being a sign of intelligence, why would you even go there? A 65 year old should be familiar with the term "dyslexia" Other than expressing disappointment and discouragement for what I was thinking could be an interesting conversation, that's all I want to say.

HA HA HA

I'm not the one who started the little "slamola" diatribe game of "Who's Smarter then a 65 Year Old".

Nope - Nada - - - that would be the other guy.

I didn't want him to think he was playing alone.

Now I think you are being extremely paranoid.

If your feelings are getting hurt because I pointed out to you that small groups of communists do not work, it is simply because you mentioned communism after *I* mentioned it. You also used the term "mumble jumble" on the exact same page after *I* used "mumbo jumbo"... to indirectly correct me on two points. rather than taking offense I merely clarified my point by saying that only large groups of communism works, which is pretty much a fact for very obvious reasons.

What? Paranoid?

Odd how some people interpret another person's fooling around.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

You do realize that she was talking to someone else about the spelling, right?

And only because he was playing the "I'm smarter then you game".

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Isn't that generally the case for small government?...she says. Does it need to be repeated?

Hold it. I do not believe that is what I said.

You are Interpreting what I actually said into your own thought pattern.

Originally posted by jupiter869

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Domo1
Also, can you explain to me (and the tone is not meant to be nasty I am genuinely interested) what bothers you about gay people calling it marriage?

Historically, legally and religiously marriage has meant a legal union between a women and a man. Not two men.

Can you explain to me why the historical, legal and religious meanings of the word 'marriage' should be changed to include same sex unions?

Because the world is always changing. When the world changes, we as a human society change and our rules, morals, ethics of what is right and wrong changes. We evolve. We grow. We mature. If we don't then we become stagnant organisms.

You can't go home again. You can't turn the hands of time backwards. And you don't want to... not really. It's not healthy. Grow with the rest of the world. Stop fighting what's inevitable. Toss aside your hatred. Forgive your parents for instilling it in you and learn to love the other human beings God put on this Earth.
It's what God wants you to do.

Since you bring God into it.
Do you really believe that Our Creator changes? Really? I'd hope that even atheists would recognise that qualities of God would be based on unchanging justice, mercy and laws. So with this in mind, how do you come to the conclusion that morals MUST change just because the world "changes"? Does having a flat screen, mobile phones or the Internet justify abandoning "Thou Shalt Not Murder" for instance? Does driving a car versus riding a horse to work JUSTIFY throwing out "Thou Shalt Not Murder"?? Really? That most basic of moral truths has been thrown out the window by everyone accepting abortion, not because the world has changed, but because people's beliefs have been changed to not see the baby as a baby and because they've been made to place the love of convenience, money or career ABOVE the love of life. The "world" didn't change, but people's beliefs have been changed to no longer view life in the womb as a baby.

"Thou Shalt Not Steal" - we all understand what this means, yet today most have been conditioned to not think of downloading a pirated film, or buying a dress to wear at a party whilst planning on returning it to the store the very next day, as somehow NOT stealing. Again, did the world change, or did our beliefs get changed and we just can't recognise that somewhere along the way somebody gave us a new definition?

The same with a topic such as gay marriage. Did the world really 'change', or did somebody come along and change the beliefs of society?

In every one of these cases, the world DID NOT change, but our beliefs did. Now I ask you, how did our beliefs get changed when the world didn't change? Somebody, very powerful and influential, had the ability and means to change your beliefs without you realising it. Let me present again, a secular example of HOW IT WAS DONE:

US Congressional Record
1963
'45 Communist Goals'

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
 
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
 
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
 
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
 
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." www.rense.com...

Are you still going to believe that the "world changed", or will you admit the truth - that the beliefs of people have been purposely changed? It's a very difficult realisation that these past two generations have been indoctrinated and brainwashed to accept new morality without them EVER knowing about it. What happens to people when confronted with this truth? 1) they dismiss it because they 'like' their life or 2) they start to seek the real truth of the matter because they value TRUTH. My friend, the world has grown in technology but hasn't changed, but the western nations have changed due to being made Godless through indoctrination of sin. And the tradegy is they reject God because of this new morality that was purposely foisted upon them. They cannot see that the end time 'beast' has successfully come against the people Israel.

God is still there, not changing, watching His Creation descend into worse and worse behaviours because they learned to love wickedness and hate truth. but in all of this, He waits for those who do love truth to seek Him.

Originally posted by IndigoRing
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

As I mentioned in my first post, I did not mention that I was gay and Christian because I wanted you or any other ATS member who does not know me at all to debate it. My relationship with God and my Christianity aren't the subjects of this thread - it's about why gay marriage could be interpreted as a conservative value.

Please understand that I presented my point, as you mention when you say "[he/me] argues his case on the grounds of financial equality," because financial conservatism and keeping "Big Government" of of people's personal lives are well-known conservative talking points. I used that particular bullet because it was relevant to the topic of the thread.

My apologies if I have mislead you or did not communicate my intentions clearly. If the topic was about discussing homosexuality and how it fits or does not fit into Christianity - which this thread is not - I'd have discussed it from a topic-appropriate perspective.

Yes, I understand your position. Having said that, you also want people to believe that gay marriage is a conservative principle whilst proclaiming that you are a Christian. As a Christian therefore, you should be well aware of those other matters listed, in which case, are you being truthful to those who are reading your thread? I think that this is the crux of my issue. You are not. As a Christian, you would know exactly why the homosexual lifestyle is being indoctrinated into the minds of our youth, and your post which states that gay marriage is a 'conservative principle' is just part of that indoctrination. I see that I've been called 'mentally ill' or something to that effect, for repeatedly pointing out the indoctrination that has been going on. So be it, but it drives home the point of how this end time generation arrives at being God-haters, fornicators, insolent, disrespectful, wicked, disobedient, etc. As a Christian, you would be well aware of these things, and that it is the mind and heart that lead one astray from a relationship with God.

I'm well aware that many homosexuals come to Christ, yet they are very vocal about leaving behind their former lifestyles.They certainly are very vocal about what part the gay agenda is serving to redefine morality away from God. This is no different than a person who led a life of crime, or drug dealing or murdering. They shun their former lifestyles, and work tirelessly to tell people about the Kingdom of God, not how their former lifestyles should actually be considered a 'conservative principal'. Why? Because they can finally see how those lusts and sins kept them alienated from a relationship from God, and how it traps so many today.

I wish the best for you, but I, as a Christian, was hoping for truth here from you. Arguing that an 'economic principal' is justification enough to promote any lifestyle that takes people away from God as a 'conservative principal' is just flat out morally wrong. Where have you glorified God by doing such a thing? Does a former drug addict do this? Does a former prostitute do this? Does a former drug dealer do this? Does a former heterosexual caught up in sexual addictions do this? No. They preach the salvation available from God Himself to deliver from such lives, they don't encourage others to jump right back into the frying pan because they knew how lost they were. Therefore, you as a Christian are doing that very thing to others with your arguments that gay marriage, and by extension, the gay lifestyle, shoul be accepted as a conservative principal. Would you agree if a Christian who was previously caught up in hetero sexual addictions, knowing full well that those lusts kept them separated from God, did the same thing? As a Christian, your answer would be NO. And with that truth, you and I must strive to be consistent of applying the same spiritual truth to a vast multitude of physical realities.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


If god has such #ed up laws, I am a better being than god is.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by IndigoRing

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Its unfortunate the Fundamental Christian Right - - - (same group that denied black people rights) - - - has such influence over so many.

What's really so unfortunate is that you cannot understand where your OWN beliefs come from

Uh huh

Here are the 2 other posts of yours I found in this thread. And you quote Rense. And Overlords of Chaos overlordsofchaos.com...

Have you considered professional help?

Is that your typical response to truth? I guess even the scarlet[/] beast of Revelation doesn't prick your curiosity, or that the mark of the beast is on the hand (actions) or forehead (mind/worship), or that Communism around the world brutally slaughters millions of Christians and all who disagree with it's Godless state...or that the creators of Communism doctrine are the very same who control and create the greatest form of indoctrination known to mankind - the media.

Truth is the dividing line - either you accept it or reject it. Just don't reject it because of the love of wickedness which has been deceitfully laced throughout the western nations. Know the time in which you've been chosen to live. Ignoring truth will place you in the army who fights Christ Jesus' return, accepting it will 'disqualify you from recruitment' so to speak.