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Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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I will not waste my time and effort on someone unable to exercise intelligence, integrity and honesty. If you must continue on this path, don't expect anyone to give you any respect as you are not deserving of any.
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
This information comes from the SAME SOURCE you are mis-quoting


I was quoting wikipedia? That is news to me. I quoted the Huffington post.

Gay Population In U.S. Estimated At 4 Million (1.3%) Says Gates


Gates is demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Huffington Post


How you can get wikipedia and the Huffington Post mixed up, I'm not sure.


Originally posted by PurpleChiten
You are clearly being decietful and extremely shamefull in your actions now. If you are going to outright LIE, why should anyone even bother speaking with you? Seriously, if you aren't going to be honest, don't expect discourse.


Enough of the ad hominium attacks.

You are cleary displaying some frustration but please, enough of the personal attacks.

I have noticed that it is impossible to debate the issue of gay marriage with pro gay marriage advocates without them resorting to name calling.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
I was quoting wikipedia? That is news to me. I quoted the Huffington post.

How you can get wikipedia and the Huffington Post mixed up, I'm not sure.


No, the same source as in the source of the information, ie, Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy (the conservative political group that is known to distort information for a political agenda)




Enough of the ad hominium attacks.

You are cleary displaying some frustration but please, enough of the personal attacks.

I have noticed that it is impossible to debate the issue of gay marriage with pro gay marriage advocates without them resorting to name calling.



Pointing out a clear liar and distorter of facts is not name calling. If you choose to lie and distort, expect people to call you on it. That's how it works.
Now play your little "woe is me" act if you must, but it is very, VERY clear what you are doing and you are not deserving of any more time and effort if that is the road you choose to take
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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
I will not waste my time and effort on someone unable to exercise intelligence, integrity and honesty. If you must continue on this path, don't expect anyone to give you any respect as you are not deserving of any.
edit on 24-5-2012 by PurpleChiten because: (no reason given)


Please try to debate the issues and don't resort to personal attacks.

I have provided sources and links to everything I have argued, yet you launch attacks on my intelligence, integrity and honesty?

I know it is difficult and frustrating for you to debate with someone who actually attempts to provide evidence rather than just opinion, but please, enough of the ad hominem attacks.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino


Please try to debate the issues and don't resort to personal attacks.

I have provided sources and links to everything I have argued, yet you launch attacks on my intelligence, integrity and honesty?

I know it is difficult and frustrating for you to debate with someone who actually attempts to provide evidence rather than just opinion, but please, enough of the ad hominem attacks.



Your sources are not credible, they are not scientific, they are distorted, warped political views of a fringe group. Those are not sources, they are not evidence, they are opinion and you are decietful by using them and not deserving of discourse.
You are dismissed.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Your sources are not credible, they are not scientific, they are distorted, warped political views of a fringe group. Those are not sources, they are not evidence, they are opinion and you are decietful by using them and not deserving of discourse.

You are dismissed.


Does this mean that I don't have to put up with childish posts from you like the ones below?

Great.


BAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

oh wait, are you being serious?

ummm....

Link



BAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

oh wait, are you being serious?

ummm....




www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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U.S. Adults Overestimate Homosexual Population by As Much As Tenfold


While a recent Gallup poll showed that U.S. adults, on average, think homosexuals make up about 25 percent of the entire population, official data reveal that gays and lesbians comprise between 2 percent and 4 percent of the population.

cnsnews


So the real gay population is much, much smaller than the public have been led to believe.

If the gay population is as small as 2%, what right do they have to redefine the legal defintion of marriage for the hetrosexual 98%?



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by ollncasino
The voters of North Carolina don't consider gay marriage to be right.




they felt the same way about interracial marriage and had to be "put in their place" by the SCOTUS. Looks like they are very slow learners and need the lesson again.


This is an example of how the homosexual activists work - name calling and directly implying either threats or retribution.

Please understand that you are now fighting WITH those that have changed people's morality to suit THEIR agenda. Those voters in Noth Carolina, like the others states that have rejected homosexual marriage, still know that it is against their morals which have not changed on this subject. You want to believe that morals have to change with society, that somehow a flat screen and mobile phone is justification for changing morality. Utter failure of logic, and many are opening their eyes to the utter failure of the promises of humanism. What has humanism wrought except increases in murder, rape, sodomy, child molestation, theft, blasphemy, prisons, tensions between races, crime, fear...? Seriously, start judging by fruits instead of indoctrination. Even many atheists can see the downward spiral of sinful behaviour, or in secular terms, that behaviour is changing causing all sorts of greif to families and children. It's causing them grief, but they cannot recognise that sin, or the undesirable behaviours, are the cause of it. There is NO getting around this point. what we do and what we permit in society always has consequences - both good and bad. Examples: when we know longer think of life as valuable, we abort our babies, when we value sex above everything else, we suffer the tragic consequences of Aids, venereal diseases, unwanted pregnancies, child molestation, prostitution, beastility, rape, pornography etc. Many studies have shown that nearly half of gay men have had 500+ sexual partners. Most parents would faints and be ashamed if their child had this many hetero partners, yet somehow we must except this gay lifestyle as acceptable for our kids? Seriously?

Perhaps someday you will understand that somebody else has purposely changed your morality, and that you'll see that you were blind to it. I used to think that my grandparents were "prudes", yet because of the Lord Almighty. I can see that I was the one who had accepted NEW BELIEFS AND MORALITY and that indoctrination and propaganda were the methods used to change MY beliefs. God did THAT for me because I sought Him for the Truth. This entire issue is not about "homosexual marriage" - its about forcing NEW MORALITY onto people who love God and who know the death trap of sin. Sexual immorality is sexual immorality because it's a LUST that is so powerful that some people will do ANYTHING to get it - destroy their families, watch endless hours of porn, abuse little children, shag a dog, masturbate until their face turns blue, cheat on their spouse, do it with a stranger in an alley, worship phalluses, etc. Sex is beautiful and natural, not any of those things. And if you can't figure out why sex now sells everything in our land and why they want you to accept that gay marriage is nothing more than equality, yet insist on teaching our children that it's an acceptable lifestyle, then no words will get through to you. It is NOT about gay marriage, but about forcing those who love God to be silent so that those with the agenda can further their indoctrination of the populace. Know the time in which you live and know that those in power despise JESUS. They do not love homosexuals, they are using them as one of many tools to further their agenda of bringing their version of "order from chaos".



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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By the same token, the minority 1.3% shouldn't have the right to dictate what marriage means to the 98.7% of hetrosexuals.


How can you not understand that they're not changing the meaning of marriage for you? Nobody can change what marriage means to you...can they? Are your beliefs so fragile? Does the institution of marriage actually suffer because any two people fortunate enough to find the person they love can also marry that person?

People are working to change the laws so that all citizens have the exact same rights - even if they are a minority

How does their being able to marry change anything for heterosexuals? If you are married - how does this affect your marriage? Your sacred vows, your promise to your darling bride - all remain the same...

If you plan on getting married - wouldn't your future union be just as important to you as it ever might have been before the laws changed?

Does this remove the specialness of heterosexual love?

Is heterosexual love special?

Also, it should be said - it's not the minority that's dictating anything. You see it as a small group of people that's trying to force you to do something you don't like. Is the majority always right?

Well - no - they're not

The numbers change...This isn't about a minority anymore - this is about more and more people in all categories everyday realizing that things need to change - and that true equality means things are the same for every citizen

It never was just the gay community that fought for this this - but now the numbers in support of all this are growing. Society changes itself ollncasino

Women get to vote now - and own property!

:-)

unthinkable not all that long ago...

Society changes

If you really want to hold on to a majority makes the rules position - you're going to have to face the facts

The times are changing



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
How can you not understand that they're not changing the meaning of marriage for you?


Are you sure about that?

I was under the impression that Obama wanted to change the legal definition of marriage.





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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by ollncasino
The voters of North Carolina don't consider gay marriage to be right.




they felt the same way about interracial marriage and had to be "put in their place" by the SCOTUS. Looks like they are very slow learners and need the lesson again.


This is an example of how the homosexual activists work - name calling and directly implying either threats or retribution.





"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."

"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them." Randall Terry, Operation Rescue
adultthought.ucsd.edu...

This is an example of how religious zealots work. Sounds a awful lot like the Taliban, doesn't it?



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Rising Support for Gay Marriage in National Polls




Two new national polls show rising support for same-sex marriage, with one survey showing a majority willing to support marriage equality if a state enacts it into law.

An ABC News/Washington Post poll found Americans favoring same-sex marriage by a 53-39 percent margin: Of those surveyed in the national poll, 39 percent said they were strongly in favor, with 32 percent strongly opposed. “Strong opposition to gay marriage is at a new low in the poll since 2004, while strong support is at a numerical high . . .” the poll reported.


blog.seattlepi.com...

The times, they are indeed a'changin.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by WhoKnows100

This is an example of how the homosexual activists work - name calling and directly implying either threats or retribution..


No, this is an example how intelligent people deal with liars and distorters who use completely false "sources" to support their lies and agenda and, when called on it, deny that the sources are distorted even though they are clearly shown to be for anyone with more than a high school diploma. If you wish to participate in that type of behavior, that's on YOU.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by ollncasino
The voters of North Carolina don't consider gay marriage to be right.




they felt the same way about interracial marriage and had to be "put in their place" by the SCOTUS. Looks like they are very slow learners and need the lesson again.


This is an example of how the homosexual activists work - name calling and directly implying either threats or retribution.





"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."

"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them." Randall Terry, Operation Rescue
adultthought.ucsd.edu...

This is an example of how religious zealots work. Sounds a awful lot like the Taliban, doesn't it?


Sounds very much like the taliban. Religious extremists are all the same regardless of which religion they come from. I'm very much ashamed of those who claim to be part of my own religion (Christianity) who behave in that way



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Collin Powell: Gay Families 'as stable as my family'



Even Gen. Collin Powell, a conservative, has joined the love and tolerance bandwagon.


Retired Gen. Colin Powell, once a foe of gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, has embraced same-sex marriage and says he support’s President Obama’s pro-marriage equality stand.

As with Obama, and many others, the former Secretary of State and four-star general told CNN that his opinion evolved as a result of personal contact with same-sex partners and parents. “But, as I’ve thought about gay marriage, I know a lot of friends who are individually gay but in partnership with loved ones,” Powell said. “And they are as stable a family as my family is. And they raise children. And so I don’t see any reason not to say they should be able to get married.”


blog.seattlepi.com...



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
How can you not understand that they're not changing the meaning of marriage for you?


Are you sure about that?

I was under the impression that Obama wanted to change the legal definition of marriage.





edit on 24-5-2012 by ollncasino because: formatting


Obama is just practicing divisive politics.

It's an old trick.

Rich -vs- Poor / Men -vs- Women / Pro Gay Marriage -vs- Thousands of years of tradition

It all backfired on Obama in North Carolina and Florida.

Florida is now a bright red state. - Put it in the Romney slot. -



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Rising Support for Gay Marriage in National Polls




Two new national polls show rising support for same-sex marriage, with one survey showing a majority willing to support marriage equality if a state enacts it into law.

An ABC News/Washington Post poll found Americans favoring same-sex marriage by a 53-39 percent margin: Of those surveyed in the national poll, 39 percent said they were strongly in favor, with 32 percent strongly opposed. “Strong opposition to gay marriage is at a new low in the poll since 2004, while strong support is at a numerical high . . .” the poll reported.


blog.seattlepi.com...

The times, they are indeed a'changin.

I had seen that poll as well, the most recent one, showing that the majority of us do support allowing homosexuals to have the same rights that the rest of us have. Hopefully there will be a day when all people are of equal value instead of allowing a fringe hate-group who uses religion as a shield instead of a way of life are no longer able to demonize other human beings based on their own warped perceptions.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
How can you not understand that they're not changing the meaning of marriage for you?

Are you sure about that?

I was under the impression that Obama wanted to change the legal definition of marriage.

edit on 24-5-2012 by ollncasino because: formatting

I was quoting you:

By the same token, the minority 1.3% shouldn't have the right to dictate what marriage means to the 98.7% of hetrosexuals.

But the emphasis is mine. You repeatedly mention this - how the meaning of marriage is being changed...

Do you not understand my questions - or don't you have an opinion? Fine - let's play it your way...

Of course we're trying to change the legal definition - are you new?

:-)

I don't think this has been a secret. All out in the open...so, you have a problem with all this? lol!

ollncasino - I'm not here to try and change your mind. Don't care to fight about this really. You have your ways, your beliefs, your morals...those all belong to you - and I am the last person to try and take any of that from you or force you to see things my way

But I will take a stand and work towards equality and freedom for everyone - regardless

I believe we are each free to live, believe and love in this life any way we can or want - so long as we don't hurt or hinder anyone else along the way

You've yet to explain to me how gay people getting married affects you - so I'm going to assume you can't explain it. That's fine - I get that the whole thing just seems wrong to you

In this country - where you and I live - the promise made to us was that we should all be treated as equals

We aren't all treated equally - no matter how you want to paint this. This is about something bigger than people not feeling comfortable, people not feeling special and people not getting their way

But, we don't all believe the same things - do we?

I'd really love that explanation - about how any of this affects your marriage. I'm guessing I won't get one - but I still want it

:-)



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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General Powell is a RINO.

Everybody knows that.

BTW, why hasn't he endorsed Obama this year?



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
I was under the impression that Obama wanted to change the legal definition of marriage.


Where did you get that impression? Because he has never said that.

What is the "Legal definition of marriage"? Because I believe each state has its own.




What Is The Legal Definition Of Marriage?
Marriage is defined as a civil contract between two people who meet the legal requirements for getting married established by the state, which vary from state to state.


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