Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

Originally posted by ollncasino
The voters of North Carolina don't consider gay marriage to be right.

they felt the same way about interracial marriage and had to be "put in their place" by the SCOTUS. Looks like they are very slow learners and need the lesson again.

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Politics in the USA is too foreign for me to really have that much of an opinion, though I do believe it means they are a bunch of fools for it.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Just as the KKK preached from the local church pulpits for discrimination against people of color, they now preach from the pulpit from the local church for discrimination against a minority.

Besides your somewhat ineffectual attempts at melodrama, how small is the gay population?

Gay Population In U.S. Estimated At 4 Million Says Gates

Gates is demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Huffington Post

So gays make up only about 1.33% of the US population according to demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, at the University of California, Los Angeles.

From all the noise they make you would assume that there were many more gays than there actually are.

Only 1.3% of the population.

Almost nothing in fact. If every gay person in the USA choose to live together, they wouldn't even fill up half of New York.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Just as the KKK preached from the local church pulpits for discrimination against people of color, they now preach from the pulpit from the local church for discrimination against a minority.

Besides your somewhat ineffectual attempts at melodrama, how small is the gay population?

Gay Population In U.S. Estimated At 4 Million Says Gates

Gates is demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Huffington Post

So gays make up only about 1.33% of the US population according to demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, at the University of California, Los Angeles.

From all the noise they make you would assume that there were many more gays than there actually are.

Only 1.3% of the population.

Almost nothing in fact. If every gay person in the USA choose to live together, they wouldn't even fill up half of New York.

None of that means they should have to be dictated to by people who disagree with their right to equality.

Originally posted by Garfee
None of that means they should have to be dictated to by people who disagree with their right to equality.

By the same token, the minority 1.3% shouldn't have the right to dictate what marriage means to the 98.7% of hetrosexuals.

As Obama endorses gay marriage, U.S. lawmakers vote to ban it on military bases

The same day U.S. President Barack Obama officially endorsed same-sex marriage, the House Armed Services Committee voted to outlaw the practice on American military bases.

For Mr. Obama, his support could help rally the youth and liberal vote, which propelled him to victory in 2008 but have been waning in support ever since. However, gay marriage support is not very popular with African-Americans, another key Mr. Obama demographic.

National Post

It is interesting that Blacks, who are one of Obama's key voter demographics, largely do not support gay marriage.

I want to draw back to the OP, just to "come full circle" I guess. The original post spoke of reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value...

"Is it not better for gay couples to be encouraged to have the same commitment to each other within well-delineated responsibility as are heterosexual couples, rather than just hit-and-miss, kiss-and-gone, easily discarded relationships?"

"When gays are not given the rights of marriage, are they not more likely to get involved in legal entanglements, court battles, family feuds, etc., than when they have legal, as well as emotional commitment to each other? Why encourage that?"

"Marriage is strengthened, not demeaned by gay marriage, because people who do not love each other and cannot relate to each other are not being encouraged or even forced to marry in order to enjoy the many hundreds of benefits and rights that legal marriage offers. That can only mean fewer divorces and better, more wholesome family life."

"Gay couples are going to get together. It's been happening since ancient times. Legal prohibitions didn't, couldn't and would never stop it. Isn't it better that gays conduct their relationships within the context of a well-defined marriage law, same as heterosexual couples?"

Do conservatives disagree with these basic values?

Do they support "casual sex"? Do they support the break apart of families? Do they support divorce and broken relationships? Do they support discrimination? Is that what Conservatives stand for or do they stand for a strong, joined family where there is longevity and support?

If they want to tout the Conservative principles, do they not want all people to have those principles or do they want them only for themselves and let the rest of the world fall apart around them? If Conservatives really believe in small government, freedom of expression and personal rights, why on earth would they be opposed to gay marriage?
They speak often of their right to have guns, even if others don't agree. What's to say that's not the next "minority group" (gun owners) who TPTB go after? They speak of their right to practice the religion of their choice, what if that's the next group that is gone after? They want their rights, others also want the same. Why would they take rights away from or deny rights to one group while fighting for their own rights in their own lives?

Truthfully, if conservatives really are for personal freedoms like gun ownership, how can they possibly be against personal freedoms for gay marriage? Nobody is saying they have to participate, none of us have to participate other than the gays that want to get married. Why would we deny them that yet go on and on and on about our own personal rights? A bit hypocritical is it not?

Originally posted by ollncasino


By the same token, the minority 1.3% shouldn't have the right to dictate what marriage means to the 98.7% of hetrosexuals.

Seriously???? Come on, everybody knows it's closer to 10%, that's been established for years. Are you using conservapedia again?

Originally posted by ollncasino


It is interesting that Blacks, who are one of Obama's key voter demographics, largely do not support gay marriage.

they should be extremely ashamed, even above all others, considering it's only been about 40 years since they went through the same thing

"I am convinced that the battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly view their role as the proselytizers of a new faith.... The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new; the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with all its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of Humanism...." The Official Journal of the American Humanist Association,John Dunphy in 1983

Lenin "The best revolutionary is A YOUTH DEVOID OF MORALS

"The ethos of this type of instruction, this indoctrination, is to change the innate attitudes of the child by inculcating into him the notion that that society has changed. By insisting repeatedly, that no longer can one expect people to be alike, under the assumption that likeness will produce a shared culture and generally harmonious relationships. In the New World Order, people must be prepared to respect others who are different, even though their beliefs may conflict with our own and make them feel uneasy. "Diversity" must be embraced as natural and beneficial to society. Thus, the depressing and curious spectacle of Homosexual Activists trooping into schools with videos, books, slideshows and other presentations under their arms that celebrate lesbianism and that are a paean to sodomy. Not so curious, but equally depressing, is the manner by which the objections of the majority are shout down by the corrupted liberal ideologues and their cohorts who use a whole gamut of tricks to browbeat them into silence.

One of the favoured tricks is to label anyone who objects to their immorality, and who reassert the Truth that homosexuality is by choice not by birth, as "'right-wing extremist" or "fascist." The disciples of "toleration," the liberal education activists and homosexual militants, who champion "diversity" and respecting "people who are different," soon display their tyrannical inclinations when dealing with people who disagree with their Homosexual Agenda. They are ruthless in destroying individuals or groups that stand in their way. Even the abundant evidence that men and women can abandon the homosexual lifestyle and adopt heterosexual lifestyles is ignored. This is because it does not accord with the idée fix of the foolish liberal and sodomite bigot; neither does it accord with the Evil Agenda that plans the destruction of moral society." overlordsofchaos.com...

Parents in our land have rejected the God of our forefathers in favour of a new faith called humanism. It indoctrinates the belief that TOLERANCE = LOVE even as we look around and see our society caving in under such falsity. Our children are indoctrinated to believe that there are no absolute moral truths through tv, films and schools, and most parents are guilty of letting it happen because they too do not know God's expectations or completely reject them. Our prisons are overflowing, our children have easy access to drugs, stealing is rampant, murder, rape, child pedophilia, sex sells everything, prostitution, our doors are locked, girls are conditioned to think lesbianism is "hot" so they put in a show for their boyfriends, homosexuals teach our children that they are bigots if they do not accept their lifestyles, psychiatrists are working on relabelling pedophilia as a sexual practice, no different than sodomy...and yet despite all of this blinded mankind cannot even fathom that the "NWO", or final beast of Revelation, has decimated the descendants of Israel through Indictrination and propaganda - changing their belief system. The mark of the beast has always been on the mind (forehead) and our actions (hand). The over-comers of the mark are those who OBEY (hand) GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND WHO REMAIN FAITHFUL (forehead) TO JESUS. 

Understand this - "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."

The homosexual agenda is simply a public front to cajole, and force if necessary, the change of God's morality into a NEW FAITH with its OWN SET OF MORALS, and anyone who denies this is a hypocritical liar or at best, someone who is so completely unaware of how indoctrination and propaganda works that they cannot recognise it for what it is. Homosexuality is a sexual practice and lifestyle, one which the Holy Spirit declares is a wrath from God as He gives people over to selfish lusts that destroy themselves. If you wish to teach your children to accept that wrath as "normal and healthy", then so be it, just know this - you are raising the Godless generation that will FIGHT Christ Jesus upon His return because you taught them to love sin.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Seriously???? Come on, everybody knows it's closer to 10%, that's been established for years. Are you using conservapedia again?

Nope. The source of the 1.3% is the demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Gay Population In U.S. Estimated At 4 Million (1.3%) Says Gates

Gates is demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Huffington Post

It looks as if you have fallen for the gay rights propoganda that homosexuality is more common than it really is.

1.3% of the population.

It isn't much is it.

By the way, I found the original article referred to on conservapedia

Violence between same-sex partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples

research has demonstrated considerable risks to children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle. Violence between same-sex partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples

American College of Pediatricians

So the American College of Pediatricians has stated that children are at risk from same sex partnerships due to domestic violence being between two and three times higher than in a hetrosexual relationship.

That clearly is a significant blow to the gay 'rights' bandwagon.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Garfee
None of that means they should have to be dictated to by people who disagree with their right to equality.

By the same token, the minority 1.3% shouldn't have the right to dictate what marriage means to the 98.7% of hetrosexuals.

How would you feel if you were the minority being denied? How would these feral, unneducated hillbillies feel?

They don't know because they can'even hink outside their own little minds that what they are doing is wrong. It is quite simply wrong to disadvantage a minority simply because you want to.

Originally posted by ollncasino


Nope. The source of the 1.3% is the demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

and what makes you think that number is accurate opposed to all the sources that say otherwise with much more credibility?

As for your other link, it has been discredited several times now and it puzzles me that you would continue to try to stick with it given it's laughability

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
they should be extremely ashamed, even above all others, considering it's only been about 40 years since they went through the same thing

40 years ago Blacks were not allowed to get married?

I didn't know that.

Gay marriage is not a 'human right': European Court of Human Rights

Same-sex marriages are not a human right, European judges have ruled.

The ruling was made by judges of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg following a case involving a lesbian couple in a civil partnership who complained the French courts would not allow them to adopt a child as a couple.

The judges added that couples who are not married do not enjoy the same status as those who are.

Daily Mail

It looks as if the gay 'rights' bandwagon's wheels are coming off.

Originally posted by ollncasino


40 years ago Blacks were not allowed to get married?

I didn't know that.

they were allowed to marry other black people, but they weren't allowed to marry white people

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The results from several scientific studies have shown that the percentage of those whose sexual attraction is only towards the same sex are range from 7.7% to 13.95% for men and 4% to 7.5% for women with the averages being 9.37% for men and 4.87% for women.

The Indiana University Kinsey Reports (Sexual Behavior in the Human Male - Kinsey, Pomeroy, and Martin/Sexual Behavior in the Human Female - Kinsey, Pomeroy, Martin, and Gerhard) reported 10% of males being more or less exclusively homosexual and 2% to 6% of females being more or less exclusively homosexual.

A 1990 study (Homosexuality/Heterosexuality by McWhirter, Sanders, and Reinisch) stated 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females had "extensive" or "more than incidental" homosexual experience.

A 1993 study (The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior - Janus and Janus) found 9% of men and 5% of women were involved in frequent or ongoing homosexual experiences.

A 1994 study (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) reported that the incidence rate of homosexual desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for women.

In 1995, a survey (The prevalence of homosexual behavior and attraction in the United States, the United Kingdom and France: Results of national population-based samples - Sell, Wells, and Wypij) reported 6.2% of U.S. males and 3.6% of U.S. females with "sexual contact with someone of the same sex only or with both sexes in the previous five years," and 20.8% of U.S. males and 17.8% of U.S. females with some homosexual behavior or some homosexual attraction.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
As for your other link, it has been discredited several times now and it puzzles me that you would continue to try to stick with it given it's laughability

The American College of Pediatricians has been discredited several times?

You really are grasping at straws.

American College of Pediatricians: Considerable risks to children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle

research has demonstrated considerable risks to children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle. Violence between same-sex partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples

American College of Pediatricians

For the American College of Pediatricians to openly state that children are at risk from homosexual relationships due to domestic violence being between twice and three times the hetrosexual level is truely a body blow to the gay 'rights' bandwagon.

If Same-Sex Marriage Is so Popular, Why Does It Always Lose at the Ballot Box?

Link

Originally posted by ollncasino


Gay marriage is not a 'human right': European Court of Human Rights

Same-sex marriages are not a human right, European judges have ruled.

The ruling was made by judges of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg following a case involving a lesbian couple in a civil partnership who complained the French courts would not allow them to adopt a child as a couple.

The judges added that couples who are not married do not enjoy the same status as those who are.

Daily Mail

It looks as if the gay 'rights' bandwagon's wheels are coming off.

Why should we care what the European Court of anything says? We're in the United States and we go by the constitution, not what people on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean say.

As far as wheels coming off anything, no, that isn't even close to accurate. You really enjoy trying to sensationalize tiny little details in hopes of trolling. It's becoming more blatant and taking a great deal away from your replies. If you want to be nothing more than a gossip-monger, that's up to you, but don't expect anyone to respect your opinions when they aren't at least somewhat based in fact and researched beyond an opinion story buried on the third page of a newspaper from a small area. That's really reaching and trying to dig up anything you can just to cause a stir and isn't respectable in any way.

Originally posted by ollncasino

The American College of Pediatricians has been discredited several times?

You really are grasping at straws.

Seriously dude, research your sources.

en.wikipedia.org...

This article is about the socially conservative advocacy group. For the major professional association of pediatricians, see American Academy of Pediatrics.

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals specializing in the care of infants, children and adolescents in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.[1][2] The ACPeds website reports members in 47 states of the United States and five other countries,[3] but does not disclose the total member count. The group's membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members

The positions taken by the American College of Pediatricians are socially conservative. The organization advocates:[10]
Prohibition of adoption of children by homosexual couples;
Limiting children's exposure to electronic media, particularly in relation to explicit violent and sexual content;
Parental choice as to when and whether a child receives the HPV vaccine. ACPeds opposes legislation requiring HPV vaccination;
Opposition to marijuana legalization;
Support for selective parental use of corporal punishment in child discipline;
Opposition to abortion;
Support for abstinence-based sex education rather than comprehensive sex education

The American College of Pediatricians argues that mainstream health organizations have taken public positions based on their own social and political views, rather than the available science

Catch that last part??
The American College of Pediatricians argues that mainstream health organizations have taken public positions based on their own social and political views, rather than the available science


Are you going to continue to try to use a biased, unscientific, politically motivated, pseudo report to try to defend what you are saying??

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Why should we care what the European Court of anything says? We're in the United States and we go by the constitution, not what people on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean say.

I'm glad to hear that you support the constitution.

North Carolinian is 29th state with a gay marriage ban in its constitution.

A May 10 USA Today/Gallup poll warned that Obama's decision might make him lose support nationally.

The poll found that 26 percent say Obama's support of gay marriage will make them less likely to vote for him as compared to just 13 percent who say it will make them more likely.

Due to Obama having identified himself so strongly with the gay marriage bandwagon, the issue of gay marriage itself rises and falls with him.

Obama and the gay 'rights' bandwagon have made an expensive misscalculation.

Originally posted by ollncasino
Nope. The source of the 1.3% is the demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, a think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

This information comes from the SAME SOURCE you are mis-quoting

These charts show a list of the top 10 US metropolitan areas with the highest LGB population in terms of numbers of total gay, lesbian and bisexual residents, based on estimates published in 2006 by the Williams Institute of the UCLA School of Law.[22]

Top Ranked by Percent:

Percentage of city population GLB Population

San Francisco
15.4%

Seattle
12.9%

Atlanta
12.8%

Minneapolis
12.5%

Boston
12.3%

Sacramento
9.8%

Portland
8.8%

Denver
8.2%

Washington
8.1%

Orlando
7.7%

You are clearly being decietful and extremely shamefull in your actions now. If you are going to outright LIE, why should anyone even bother speaking with you? Seriously, if you aren't going to be honest, don't expect discourse.