Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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Why? We teach about the historical contributions of black people. Do you think it was always that way? It was most certainly not.


I actually think it's rather stupid to highlight race/sex/creed/gender/sexual orientation when teaching about contributions to society. If anything it bolsters the stereotype that straight white men are the only real contributors. Focus on the contribution for it' historical significance, not that the inventor was a lesbian black midget (oh and Jewish just for fun).

OP I actually agree that conservatives should embrace marriage equality for the reasons you stated. It really is a pain that conservatives and religious right are basically in bed together (heh). This is a weird comparison, but it reminds me of gun rights and religious freedom. Just because a 'majority' (also, *cough* republic *cough*) believes something to be immoral, does not mean it is actually hurting anyone.




posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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As a gay man, I'm insulted that some thnk they have the right to judge my life.

Why don't we just get rid of governmental marriage, replace it with civil unions, and offer those to all consenting adult couples. Then, if you want a religious marriage, you can go to your church and have one.


So sick and tired of people focusing on gay marriage. Reminds me of jim crow laws.

Work on your own marriage if you are so scared of its failure



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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I am completely for equal rights, but this seems like silly PC nonsense to me. We can all find some way that we are a minority if we look to do so. When we are learning about art, art ought to be the subject being taught.

Live and let live, and be civil.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by kaylaluv
This isn't about sex.


So forcing teachers to define a group of people by their sexuality isn't about sex?




Gay people are capable of falling in love too. Romantic love that goes beyond sex - just with someone of the same gender. I know an older gay couple who joke about having sex once a year, yet they are deeply committed to each other for life.

Teachers will teach about a minority group that is being discriminated against. This group just happens to be distinguished by their sexual orientation, because that is the primary cause of their discrimination. Another minority group may be discriminated against because of their religion, or their skin color.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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As a gay man, I'm insulted that some thnk they have the right to judge my life.


I can freaking imagine.




Why don't we just get rid of governmental marriage, replace it with civil unions, and offer those to all consenting adult couples. Then, if you want a religious marriage, you can go to your church and have one.


Because then people will be allowed to marry goats RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! I completely agree with you. Two consenting adults should be able to enter into a civil union, with the same benefits as a straight couple. That being said I also firmly believe that churches should be allowed to say no if they feel they must.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
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I am completely for equal rights, but this seems like silly PC nonsense to me. We can all find some way that we are a minority if we look to do so. When we are learning about art, art ought to be the subject being taught.

Live and let live, and be civil.


What if the subject is discrimination? Why not teach that discrimination exists, and discuss why it exists? Why not teach that each group discriminated against has contributed positively in some way to society?



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Why not teach people to live and let live and be civil? It would end all discrimination without forcing our ideas and opinions onto each other.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
Hopefully, someday, being gay won't be an issue at all, and they will have all rights that everyone else has, and it truly won't matter what someone's orientation is. Until then, it is an issue, and it does matter.


Why can't gays keep their sexual orientation out of the classroom?

Teaching children about the sexual preferences of historical figures is just wrong.

Yet the gays in California have forced it through the legislature.

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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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I remember black history month in school learning about the contributions of African Americans to society, how is this different???



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
Gay people are capable of falling in love too. Romantic love that goes beyond sex - just with someone of the same gender. I know an older gay couple who joke about having sex once a year, yet they are deeply committed to each other for life.


So you are claiming that homosexual men who fall in love with homosexual men are not sexually attracted to men?

Wow. You really are struggling.

Keep twisting and turning. Being gay isn't about sex...


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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by dorkfish87
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I remember black history month in school learning about the contributions of African Americans to society, how is this different???


When is Chinese history month or hetrosexual history month?



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
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Why not teach people to live and let live and be civil? It would end all discrimination without forcing our ideas and opinions onto each other.


And how specifically do we teach children this? It's a nice platitude, but it's a little vague. It's important to teach history, and part of our history is how we treat others in our society. That includes some negative things, like war, genocide and discrimination. Why do we do these things to each other? How can we learn from our history? You have to have a curriculum -- you can't just say "live and let live -- class over." Part of the curriculum in this education bill is to teach historical contributions of a group that has been discriminated against. Historical contributions are facts. It's good to teach facts to children, no?



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by dorkfish87
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I remember black history month in school learning about the contributions of African Americans to society, how is this different???


When is Chinese history month or hetrosexual history month?


Actually in third grade I asked this of my father. He calmly replied " the other eleven months"



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by kaylaluv
Gay people are capable of falling in love too. Romantic love that goes beyond sex - just with someone of the same gender. I know an older gay couple who joke about having sex once a year, yet they are deeply committed to each other for life.


So you are claiming that homosexual men who fall in love with homosexual men are not sexually attracted to men?

Wow. You really are struggling.

Keep twisting and turning. Being gay isn't about sex...




I'm saying it isn't ALL about sex. My relationship with my husband isn't ALL about sex. It's also about having a companion, and a partner to raise a family with. You are trying to perpetuate the myth that all gays are obsessed with sex, and they aren't capable of having any other interests/goals/dreams/hopes, etc. This is not true. They just want to live out those goals/dreams/hopes with someone of the same gender.
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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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And I'll no longer be responding to such childish threads. They always devolve into people presuming they have the right to judge others.

Since when is it okay to discriminate? Kinda defeats the purpose of freedom doesn't it?



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Really where does it end? How about we get back to the simple golden rule. Civility works every single time.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Yes it does. I agree with you 100%. This is why we should not ever emphasize discrimination and other forms of bad behavior. We need to teach and reward civility. Children learn what they live.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by dorkfish87
Actually in third grade I asked this of my father. He calmly replied " the other eleven months"


Chinese history month is the other 11 months?

Why is there no Chinese history month?

After all, many Chinese inventors must have surely been gay





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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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I almost *wish* I could beat the compulsion to reply to everyone's posts on this issue. ( but I cannot) It is has been a confusing issue for me because of my upbringing. I was not exposed to sexual information until I was in my late teens. I was even slower learning about alternative sexual orientations to heterosexuality.
I am in my late 50's now. I now have the knowledge and I have friends that are in gay relationships or unions.
We should show each other respect and kindness. Why does anyone have to know our sexual orientation?
As for the semantics, * marriage vs. union,* what difference does it make what word is used to describe it?
I was under the impression that the rights being the same for either union were what was most desired . Am I wrong?
Have a good one.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
I'm saying it isn't ALL about sex. My relationship with my husband isn't ALL about sex. It's also about having a companion, and a partner to raise a family with.


What an absurd argument.

Being homosexual by definition is about sex.



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