Ore. track coach takes student to prom, loses job, page 2

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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:16 AM by Ex_CT2

Let's not forget that this was not a teacher, but a "volunteer" coach. This is not a teacher-student thing, per se.

However, as Sonny1 points out, schools now live in such fear of reprisal and litigation--never mind the suffocating PC-ness of an overweaning government that can utterly destroy them--that it's no surprise that administrators quiver and cower at anything above a whisper.

Schools are not respectable bastions of education anymore. They're something I don't even recognize....

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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:19 AM by Annee

Originally posted by Ex_CT2

Schools are not respectable bastions of education anymore. They're something I don't even recognize....

People keep saying this - - but as far as I can see - - they are primarily the same as they were in the 50s - - minus the discipline.

Actually - I think they are better. They encompass social acceptance and diversity.

When I was in school in the 50s. It was "read - memorize - take a test" - - exactly as today. Thinking was never encouraged.

The thing about the "good old days" is selective memory.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:21 AM by sonnny1

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Annee

Annee, I actually think its stupid also......

But those things do happen. Sometimes teachers take advantage of students. Regardless on if this was innocent,or actually something that wasn't, I can understand why the authoritys at the school,asked her to step away.

We should live in fear - - stop living - - stop being the person there for a child in need?

I'm currently on raising a third generation. Raised my 2 - helped raised my now 18 year old grandson - - and am now raising 4 and 12 year old grandchildren.

I still want that teacher who cares enough to go the extra mile.

I will not live in fear that something might "happen".

Im sorry if you dont understand Annee.

As an Example....I wonder how many innocent lives were ruined,by people perpetrating that their teaching,or their guidance was helping,say from a man like Sandusky. I for one would rather have a watchful eye on the youths,then to give Teachers,one on one activities,outside school confines. This is happening quite regularly. You might think its all good,but not many people leave their doors and windows open anymore.That's not living in fear,to lock your doors,is it ?? Living in fear is not the same as being proactive,against danger.You know it,and I know it.

Have a good night Annee. I am done talking to you on the subject.

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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:22 AM by theRhenn

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by Domo1

You know, people can't seem to get that prom dates are not necessarily "dates." Everybody wants to go, but nobody wants to go alone. There's nothing wrong with taking a friend.

Of course, I too would have been a little more... ummm.... non-plussed about this if, say, it was a 41-year-old man with a 75-year-old wife, and it involved a 17-year-old girl. But we all know men are dogs....

Funny how it always makes the diffrence based upon which sex is doing it...

That's pretty sad. Especially considering, most of the teachers Ive seen get busted for doing their students over the last 10 years worth of news, seems to be all women doing their boy students...

Personaly I find women with less of an ability for serious thought when it comes to subjects like this...

See what I did there?

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:27 AM by ollncasino

Originally posted by Annee
We have seriously become pathetic and disconnected.

When some teachers appear to no longer understand the boundaries between teachers and students, I can only agree with you.

I wonder how many defenders of a female teacher taking a 17 year old boy to a prom would be happy to see a male teacher take a 17 year female student to one?

Teachers should not take students to the prom.

The female teacher who did so appears to lack common sense.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:31 AM by Annee

Originally posted by sonnny1

As an Example....I wonder how many innocent lives were ruined,by people perpetrating that their teaching,or their guidance was helping, from a man like Sandusky. .

In the 50s. Our city councilman was a pedophile. My brother's kindergarten teacher was arrested for drugs. The high school football coach was arrested for slamming a student into a locker causing a concussion. etc etc.

On the other hand my grade school principle insisted the playground be open and supervised everyday until 5pm - - despite the city trying to deny her funding. She also insisted there be grass fields (which were asphalted over the minute she retired).

She also arranged for care packages and holiday trips for me and my brother every year. She also bought us school shoes every year out of her own pocket.

Good things happen too. I will not live in fear and distrust.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:32 AM by Ex_CT2

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by Domo1

You know, people can't seem to get that prom dates are not necessarily "dates." Everybody wants to go, but nobody wants to go alone. There's nothing wrong with taking a friend.

Of course, I too would have been a little more... ummm.... non-plussed about this if, say, it was a 41-year-old man with a 75-year-old wife, and it involved a 17-year-old girl. But we all know men are dogs....

Funny how it always makes the diffrence based upon which sex is doing it...

That's pretty sad. Especially considering, most of the teachers Ive seen get busted for doing their students over the last 10 years worth of news, seems to be all women doing their boy students...

Personaly I find women with less of an ability for serious thought when it comes to subjects like this...

See what I did there?

Hmmmm... You have an interesting point there. I can't refute your facts (not without going and finding statistics, which I've no intention of doing:lol

. It's entirely possible that that's because it's "man bites dog" news, and not a real phenomenon. Or maybe not.

At any rate, I can't join you in your statement about women having "less of an ability for serious thought when it comes to subjects like this." I have found myself standing alone in that particular sort of minefield too many times. I found it very.... instructional, shall we say...

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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:34 AM by Komaratzi11

I don't think the lady had a bad intention and I believe she felt she was doing the kid a service. With that being said, however, any time an adult works with minors, they have to protect themselves and the child from perceived inpropriety. In any situation where minors are concerned, your best bet as an adult is to err on the side of caution.

It's a sad testament to our society that those who really care about the welfare of children have to be hindered in their endeavors by the sick perverts that seem so prevalent.

I'm well loved in my community by the kids my kids go to school with, and I feel the pressure to be careful. I do a lot for the kids and their school, and they like me because I am concerned about them and their lives. So many of them have parents they can't identify with or whom are absent to them.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:38 AM by theRhenn

reply to post by Annee

I will not live in fear that something might "happen".

...untill it happens to you, someone close to you, or close to home...

Sorry Annie, I dont see your opinions as logic. Teachers are there to teach... Coaches are there to Coach...

STUDENTS are there for the daily activities, wether it be study, test, sport or dance... It's for students.

Mixing adults in this activity can go no where but wrong.

No one says you have to live your life in fear... Common sense tells you to at least live it with some insight and caution. Unless, of course, you're the kinda person (metaphoricly) that texts and walks at the same time untill someone put that damn pool of water in your way while you were walking around in the mall.

That's like saying, why should I be afraid of vipers? I should pick one up and mess with it in ways thats not the usual norm.... Oh hell! Got Bit! What now?.... die?

First thing that comes to my mind from MY experiance in life....?? No not to me personaly but I, like many others, understand...

Old man with young woman..... money *if you say otherwise, I'll just laugh at you.. just cause...*
Old man with young woman involved in school.... Sorry, wouldnt have my kids anywhere around these people. That's just creepy.

Ever hear the typical story of the sweet nice guy next door offing his wife? How about the best friend that raped his long time pals daughter/son. never woulda guessed in a million years...

How many times did you hear.... He was always so nice, so quiet, never any trouble....

Most people survive stupid by accepting that things can happen, preparing should they ever happen without taking away from other parts of your life and find a way to deal with it and teach the next person when it does happen... Walking around blind.. we'll.. that's just stupid to think you should trust these teachers as through they were living in your home and part of your family.

I would not trust you with my kids, based off of your responces alone, no matter wether or not you raised 3 generations. I'm raising the 2nd, not even close to the third, and as an adult in my 40s, I would not let you near my children. You are faaaaaaaaar to liberal in your views for my taste. But hey, we dont have to agree. Just accept that there are others who are not like you... probably a vast majority of the world does not think like you, but hey.... you're intitled to an opinion as the rest of us. Doesnt mean your experiance and your way of thinking makes you correct.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:41 AM by Annee

Originally posted by theRhenn
reply to post by Annee

I will not live in fear that something might "happen".

...untill it happens to you, someone close to you, or close to home...

My child was molested.

I was raped by an ex-boyfriend.

Blah Blah Blah - - - 65 years experience here.

Don't waste your time on: "until it happens to you".

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:55 AM by Annee

Originally posted by theRhenn
I would not trust you with my kids, based off of your responces alone, no matter wether or not you raised 3 generations. I'm raising the 2nd, not even close to the third, and as an adult in my 40s, I would not let you near my children. You are faaaaaaaaar to liberal in your views for my taste. .

Ha Ha Ha Ha

My 12 year old grand-daughter would not agree with you on the Liberal part.

Please tell me English is a 2nd language for you.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 01:38 AM by sonnny1

Originally posted by theRhenn

I would not trust you with my kids, based off of your responces alone, no matter wether or not you raised 3 generations.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 01:45 AM by ollncasino

Originally posted by Annee
My child was molested.

I was raped by an ex-boyfriend.

Blah Blah Blah - - - 65 years experience here.

Don't waste your time on: "until it happens to you".

Yet you still can't see any problem with a teacher taking a 17 year old to the prom?

Luckily, the school board had some common sense and fired the teacher.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 02:09 AM by steve1709

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by Annee

You cradle robber you!

I dont see the problem with taking an awkward dateless kid to prom though will admit if it had been a male coach I would be more suspicious. Dumb double standard I suppose. I can see this as being a fun way of including a favorite teacher or coach. Its not like they had a hotel room.

No, a pathetic double standard imo. So over the so called moral society. People should get their noses out of other peoples' business. Over in Africa, there are tribes that will let a woman bed anyone they want while the hubby is out fighting lions and catching the local Simpsons gazelle for dinner and when he gets back with the meal, he'll just sit outside the hut until the visitor leaves (he knows he's there cause there is a spear in the ground at the entrance to the hut) BUT once she has a kid (naturally no one knows who the pop is of the first kid) then, if she's caught having a bit on the side, she will be killed. Yep, here we go "but they're not "civilised" " So what is civilised? All depends on where you are. So good for the kid getting the date, big boo's for all of the prim and proper people around ... where was it? condom oops, my bad condon

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 10:21 AM by Annee

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Annee
My child was molested.

I was raped by an ex-boyfriend.

Blah Blah Blah - - - 65 years experience here.

Don't waste your time on: "until it happens to you".

Yet you still can't see any problem with a teacher taking a 17 year old to the prom?

Luckily, the school board had some common sense and fired the teacher.

Geeze - - you act like it was some kind of clandestine date.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:28 PM by ShadowBase

God I'm tired of the generalization and "until it happens to you" trash. No wonders why the world are way paranoid.

Being a male working in a kindergarten myself I know how it feels to everyday having the paranoia of the world in the back of your head. Always afraid of anyone creating their own version of something in their head.
It's just ridiculous.

No I'm not saying that we should ignore any threat pattern, I'm saying we should stop treating everything as a great and even inevitable happening. Stop seeing everything in black and white!

sorry for rant, just got triggered by the topic in hand.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:47 PM by Frankel

The father had no problem with this and im sure the boy felt better about having someone to go with and the woman in question was known to the family and had helped them for years, it's not like she was doing it because she had sexual feelings for this 17 year old it was just a case of her feeling sorry for him and helping him out, the world has turned into a crazy place with to many rules and regulations to many people having their five bobs worth when it attually doesn't concern them. Whoever got rid of this poor woman for this should lose their job for feeling the need to be concerned with this to the point where they have dismissed someone.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 12:51 PM by dayve

I was expecting to read about a male teacher taking a female student to prom I was gonna talk $#!* .... Now I don't see nothing wrong with this.... people in charge now days are old school losers....

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 03:25 PM by ollncasino

Originally posted by Frankel
The father had no problem with this and im sure the boy felt better about having someone to go with and the woman in question was known to the family and had helped them for years, it's not like she was doing it because she had sexual feelings for this 17 year old it was just a case of her feeling sorry for him and helping him out, the world has turned into a crazy place with to many rules and regulations

Unless the teacher is very attractive, the 17 year old boy would have zero credibilty with his friends.

There is a sexual under current in this story, even if people choose to ignore it.

reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 03:32 PM by CynicalDrivel

Frankly, she could have avoided this by finding a girl of an appropriate age to go with the guy. There's girls out there who like going to more than 1 school's dance, that don't mind the socially inept.

The thing for me is not that this teacher offered this, but that the teacher exposed herself to this level of scrutiny. In any job that involves kids, you've got to cover your backside and think of the consequences of your good intentions.

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