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Skeptics vs Believers vs Knowers

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Skeptics = will just want to Debunk anything and everything. This includes any decent footage or story of a UFO or anything claiming to be ET in nature. They are here to "balance out" any hard core theory. But the main job of the skeptic is well... to debunk! They often believe blindly in terrestrial science, and believe that no other "peoples" out there might be alive and come up with a far more complex science that would dwarf their puny little minds. They often use truths with half truths, if no half truth is available, they will make sh*t up. They think that science is power, power to crush others theories or beliefs.

Believers = People of good faith, but a lot of them can be a bit loony. These will believe blindly anything claimed as UFO, illuminati, reptiles in the government, Haarp, Nibiru, that aliens work at area 51, and other kooky stuff like that. They will fight it off till the end with the skeptics, but in the end, the skeptics will overcome them with "scientific proof" of whatever crazy theory or hoax pic the believer claims to be true. This one is a no brainer, it is like an older man bringing "scientific proof" to debunk Santa Claus to a kid. Some of the pics and videos are like super obvious retarded hoaxes or misidentified objects. The believer will believe it and the skeptics will always win. The believers suffer of a bad case of the "Gut Feeling" syndrome. They know there is something out there, they can almost feel it, but are never given the chance to prove it to anyone. They usually get depressed or feel lonely, and in some cases can commit suicide for not being able to bring in the "ultimate proof".


Knower’s = People who seen an alien ship landed, touched it, came in contact with the occupants, and know that they come from another planet. These people are slightly amused by the fighting and bickering of the Believers vs. Skeptics. The knower will hardly ever visit places like ATS or have the need to prove anything. He just knows it is real, period!


Trolls, haters and hoaxers = People with nothing else to do with their lives and will “hate” on anything UFO. Who knows why they “hate”? They just do! Trolls are haters with no life, they love to make believers “blood boil” with the idiotic trolling actions. One must just take a deep breath and say, farewell troll. Hoaxers are the most despicable creature on our planet. They are sick people with no feelings. They derive pleasure by harassing, tricking, humiliating and then laughing their arses off for no real reason. Hoaxers are usually crazy people.

Once you read this thread, you will be able to identify at least three types of posters. They are going to try and “grill” me for this. Keep an eye out for them when they comment on this thread! LOL



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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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you forgot
the Hoser's eh!



sometimes
I think
I'm a skeptic
that wants to Believe
he Knows how to tell a Troll from a Hoax
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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I disagree. I label myself a skeptic. However, I'm not here to debunk anything. I'm simply here to formulate my own opinion based on evidence or lack there of. I do believe there are UFOs out there, but I do not buy into half the claims out there. I do not know there is outside life, but I have definitely seen an unidentified flying object. I also do not hate, hoax, or troll. Although, hoaxers do annoy me



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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In part, you said:

"Knower’s = People who seen an alien ship landed, touched it, came in contact with the occupants, and know that they come from another planet. These people are slightly amused by the fighting and bickering of the Believers vs. Skeptics. The knower will hardly ever visit places like ATS or have the need to prove anything. He just knows it is real, period!"

I don't know where you get your opinions for this statement, but you are obviously very wrong on this account. Especially with us being "slightly amused." That is sooo wrong!



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by The Coward

Skeptics = will just want to Debunk anything and everything. This includes any decent footage or story of a UFO or anything claiming to be ET in nature. They are here to "balance out" any hard core theory. But the main job of the debunker is well... to debunk! They often believe blindly in terrestrial science, and believe that no other "peoples" out there might be alive and come up with a far more complex science that would dwarf their puny little minds. They often use truths with half truths, if no half truth is available, they will make sh*t up. They think that science is power, power to crush others theories or beliefs.

Your definitions could be easily broken down, to show just how extremely biased you are, but there's really no reason to do that. Instead, I will just say that you're way off.

Not all skeptics are hardcore debunkers. Wanting to look at things from a logical standpoint, is not even close to being the same as a refusal to believe.

Also, it is not a job, It's just common sense.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Thanks for the guide to people here, although we kinda got that from this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think most here can sort out the kinds of people on their own, but thanks anyways.

I think I would be in the skeptical category, I have become much more so over the years. I would like to quickly point out that your definition seems a little biased, or maybe you should have created a category for 'debunkers' and one for 'skeptics' because there is a difference.

I am a skeptic. I do believe there is a real physical phenomenon, but I'm not to sure about it being aliens necessarily.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Is there an "all of the above" choice?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by thesearchfortruth
Thanks for the guide to people here, although we kinda got that from this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

maybe you should have created a category for 'debunkers' and one for 'skeptics' because there is a difference.


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Skeptics debunk, and debunkers are skeptics.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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Your definition of "skeptic" is incorrect, and represents a common misperception. Skeptics are simply those who want solid evidence before deciding whether to believe a supposition or not. They're not willing to believe simply because someone posted a video on Youtube, but likewise they don't automatically dismiss things either. They ask hard questions to try and steer the discussion towards the truth whatever that may be. Most people confuse "skeptic" with "cynic". The former is a seeker of truth and brings balance to ATS discussions. The latter is someone who refuses to believe any claim no matter how solid the evidence. "Cynic" is the opposite of the "believer" who will believe anything regardless of how outlandish it is and whether there's any supporting evidence or not.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Your definition has truth in it, but it also has half truth too.

Skeptics will be skeptics. Bring them an alien beign and they will find a way to debunk it. Why? Cause to them "comon scence" states that ETs do not visit earth in UFOs.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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catagorizers=posters who put people in categories that they then make up definitions for so that they can unfairly characterize other posters. thats how it is done - make up a categorey, define it the way want and start labeling people. damn dirty categorizer! (said in a charlton heston voice)



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 11:23 PM
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I don't think anyone will have any trouble spotting your comment and categorizing you. LOL


Thanks for sharing, bye!



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by The Coward
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I don't think anyone will have any trouble spotting your comment and categorizing you. LOL


Thanks for sharing, bye!






damn dirty nazis



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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I actually like the more than fair descriptions labelled out in the following thread:

Types of People in the UFO Forum


Try doing a search next time.

Try to actually come up with an original thought next time too.

And you've been registered since when? Aren't you embarrassed?

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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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post by The Coward
Skeptics debunk, and debunkers are skeptics.

Not necessarily , that statement suggests that you would rather believe in something that's presented to you rather than search for the truth about it .
To find the truth you must first discount frauds , hoaxes and misidentifications in any evidence provided , once you have done that and found no logical explanation then you can start looking at the other explanations ... doing that does not make you a skeptic .



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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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Then there are truth seekers. I am a skeptic who KNOWS non-conventional craft are present in the skies around Earth.

In a thread where we are unsure what the data means, I am an interested inquirer. Where the evidence is bunk, I am a debunker. Where a thread is being unfairly debunked, debunkers will unfairly label me a believer.

A true skeptic suspends judgment until there is sufficient evidence to draw a conclusion. They do not set out just to dismiss, but look for evidence both for and against an idea. They should be skeptical of their own position.

Compulsive debunkers are not true skeptics. They are prejudiced.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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edit on 22-5-2012 by something wicked because: actually, not really worth it



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Pimander
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Then there are truth seekers. I am a skeptic who KNOWS non-conventional craft are present in the skies around Earth.

In a thread where we are unsure what the data means, I am an interested inquirer. Where the evidence is bunk, I am a debunker. Where a thread is being unfairly debunked, debunkers will unfairly label me a believer.

A true skeptic suspends judgment until there is sufficient evidence to draw a conclusion. They do not set out just to dismiss, but look for evidence both for and against an idea. They should be skeptical of their own position.

Compulsive debunkers are not true skeptics. They are prejudiced.


Correct, im sort of like that and I can't stand when some so 'artifical' UFOs are posted on youtube and someone says - real UFO!!



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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I do not really fit any of your definitions properly. If any, i would be skeptic. BUT i want to believe!
I think it is highly unlikely that we are the only higher intelligence out there in the universe (and we could argue for hours about whether we qualify as a higher intelligence). That said, i have seen no conclusive proof that "aliens" visit us here on earth - apart from anything else, why would they want to? In fact, almost all of the evidence presented as "proof" can usually be easily explained by either very natural things or by technology.

However, as a species, we are still very backward when it comes to higher life forms. We cannot live on other planets yet, have no realistic concept of terra forming, etc. Hell, we are incapable of even getting to our nearest stars. In universal terms, we are the tribe that lives in huts and waves spears and shoots arrows at the helicopters flying overhead (angry sky gods!) - in fact it could be easily argued that we are not even that advanced. Therefore i would ask again why would aliens choose earth to visit, out of all the infinite numbers of worlds out there. If life exists elsewhere, i genuinely believe they wouldn't bother showing themselves until we were worth dealing with.......



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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You seem to have got this totally wrong. Skeptics often help weed out the frauds, believers often help find the footage/images, accounts, etc, in the firstplace, some of which is good. I see them more as working together, although you always get your minority that would rather they were at eachothers throats all the time with the old divide and conquer routine, instead of working side by side.

Both sides have their extremes, but you can't generalize each group like that, sorry.



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