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Montreal Martial Law Bill 78 Passes - Backlash was Immediate; Massive Civil Disobedience

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posted on May, 24 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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I might have missed your point and I'm against war but other countries may not be as educated as our and don't think like us. Maybe you should raise funds for them? That would be something useful at least...

Why aren't you protesting against fuel price raise?




posted on May, 24 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Well im sorry, I might have mixed my ideas on my country, and the whole world.

Raising funds is a good idea, if done right. Actually im not really up for it because of the news Ive seen lately, they speak about the UK spending the aid funds on force sterilisation on India's poor. Im afraid our country could do it too. I think pretty much all of this is corrupted.

I would protest on other things than fuel price raise, maybe for something like changing our fuel source for something more reliable...



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by InS0MnI
I think they are right to protest like that for the tuition fees. IMO all education should be free, anywhere.


Free? Can you please explain to me "free"?

Free would be you make all teachers work for no wages. Then all construction firms hired to build schools must do it for free. All school janitors, school board members, people who plan cirriculum and more must do it for free.

Because if you pay any of these people with tax money, guess what? ITS NOT FREE! You and I pay for it. Nothing in life is free son. And if you point at primary education and how out 12 grades are free, i beg to differ. I pay for it in property tax.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by InS0MnI
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Well im sorry, I might have mixed my ideas on my country, and the whole world.

Raising funds is a good idea, if done right. Actually im not really up for it because of the news Ive seen lately, they speak about the UK spending the aid funds on force sterilisation on India's poor. Im afraid our country could do it too. I think pretty much all of this is corrupted.

I would protest on other things than fuel price raise, maybe for something like changing our fuel source for something more reliable...

I think that perhaps you believe money grows on trees.

You DO realize that increases in prices are somthing that happens. In order for a government to raise funds, it must tax. Sadly, a necissary evil. Now, a common problem that happens all over the world, and is happening in a bad way in places like Greece, Spain and more, is people have an entitlement mindset and governments cave to pressure to not increase prices.

So what happens is they start to run massive deficits. In order to pay for their expenses, they borrow money on the world stage. Now, this money comes with the condition to pay it back. These countries know damn well it is not free money, in the same way you know when you buy a car, you must pay it back with interest. SO now you owe more than you borrowed. The politicians look like gold, because they kept their promises, didnt raise taxes and the economy is flourishing. But this cant be sustained forever, can it?

I agree the government needs to do more to trim the fat. Bureaucracy needs to be trimmed, and corruption halted. But we cannot constantly borrow and borrow and end up like our neighbours to the south or Greece or the like. I belong to a lobby group that presures the Canadian government to post balanced budgets in times of economic growth. And end corporate sponsorship and lobbying of the government. The government needs to be for the people, not corporations and special interest groups.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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First of all, Thank you for your reply, I must admit, im still learning alot, and I dont know much.

I was trying to express myself the best I could on this subject. You seem to know alot more than me so I must take this into consideration. Im learning from what you have to say too. I will not make this a big post because im going to bed, but yes maybe I went too far saying 'FREE education' but I really wish would could make it the less expensive we can manage to make it. Just balance everything out and try to grow our society for a better future, instead of trying to make the american dream happen and die rich, without caring about the future of others.


Andrew.



posted on May, 24 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Mike Jagger eh?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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The protesters have a new weapon in their arsenal






"Students and supporters gathered in downtown Montreal on Thursday for a nightly protest, as Quebec's tuition crisis continues to stoke social unrest across the province.

The 31st night protest comes as a growing number of Montrealers join a neighbourhood-wide cazerolazo - casserole protest.

Since the weekend, hundreds of people in the island's central neighbourhoods have taken to their balconies, porches and sidewalks with pots and pans."


Good idea to make some noise like but the police at one point can see it has a threat
those things can become heavy projectiles or melee weapon



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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Apparently there are now approximately 500 arrests.
Is this true?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by Xaphan
Apparently there are now approximately 500 arrests.
Is this true?


yes but that was 2 nights ago in Montreal 565 arrested
in Quebec city there was 150 arrests



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Last night, nobody got arrested, the protest was peaceful and supervise by cops.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by mazmike
Last night, nobody got arrested, the protest was peaceful and supervise by cops.


See?

You wont get arrested if you dont vandalize and try and hurt people!

I have no problem with peaceful protest. Its those mask wearing idiots who need to be rounded up and given criminal records. The cops are not being abusive, they are reacting to acts of violence and vandalism.
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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Andrew you're not the only person thinking along these lines.


By limiting education we, as a whole, limit ourselves. Free education ( IMHO ) is key to our civilizations advancement. All around the globe, from rich to poor, derserve an equal chance to excel. Imagine if we were all greatly educated...

... or is the thought too alarming for some to even contemplate?


Namaste



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Awaycan
reply to post by InS0MnI
 


Andrew you're not the only person thinking along these lines.


By limiting education we, as a whole, limit ourselves. Free education ( IMHO ) is key to our civilizations advancement. All around the globe, from rich to poor, derserve an equal chance to excel. Imagine if we were all greatly educated...

... or is the thought too alarming for some to even contemplate?


Namaste

Not to hard, simply impossible.

Please, explain to me how you will make it free? Going to refuse to pay teachers? Administrators? Construction firms who build schools? No? Then you will have to PAY THEM! With taxpayer money, which of course does NOT equal free. In fact, it costs just as much as paying tuition, it simply comes out of taxes instead of a bill in the mail.

Do you people not understand this?



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by The X
I do not advocate violence, but, a government that uses violence freely to maintain discipline against a population will eventually be in danger from the same violence.
Violence begets Violence, Those guys know the government would use violence against them, if it goes off, they have nothing to lose, When people have nothing, and the government is doing all it can to remove what little they have left, What do they expect?.


The Millenials in particular are the softest, most docile generation in human history. They won't use violence.

These people are up against opponents against whom the Gandhi gambit will not work, yet his strategy is all they are willing to believe in. They won't be willing to go right to the edge of losing their lives; they don't have the moral fibre for that, and even if they did, the cops would kill them.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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By saying free, I mean free to the students willing to get education, of course we will pay it through taxes, its the only way. But while we put taxes % higher for education, we will charge less taxes on other things that arent really needed, so we can balance everything out. At that point, we could still have the same tax rate, but with better planning and the best result.


This has to be worked out on the national level, not only on the provincial level.
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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by InS0MnI
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By saying free, I mean free to the students willing to get education, of course we will pay it through taxes, its the only way. But while we put taxes % higher for education, we will charge less taxes on other things that arent really needed, so we can balance everything out. At that point, we could still have the same tax rate, but with better planning and the best result.


This has to be worked out on the national level, not only on the provincial level.


I would love for them to charge less taxes on things we dont need. Things like welfare for those capable of working, but refuse to. Reduction of social program spending, reduce the bloated governemtn bureacracy. But the socialists protesting want those exact things. And expect them, truely, for free.

I dont want to go down the road Greece was on, and thats where these people will lead us. The government will cave to protests, not reduce tuition and borrow more money to pay for this all, running deficits.

I do not want to pay for some slacker to sit in medical school for 10 years, failing time and time again a la Van Wilder. If someone wants a secondary education, they can work two jobs, get a student loan and make it happen. You will still be far better off in the end.

But no, these "i want everything handed to me on a silver platter" socialists want a free ride though life. Screw them. I worked hard to make it where i am today, i dont have any respect for those who expect life to be free.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ben81
With all the new martial law Bush and Obama have signed already
im surprise the situation in Montreal right now didnt happen in America yet




I really think they might be thinking this thing over 1 more time before they pull the trigger. or they started too then backed out quick and is tapping feet so to say. They got to make sure they do it right. Because If it back-lash's something like what we are seeing in Canada here in the U.S. i could see turn real ugly really quick



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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You need Obummer. He will give you all hope and change. He will promise you what you want to hear and then do the opposite. The tuition is just a minor glitch. He will liberalize all of you by taxing the middle class rich. And when your country is in knee deep debt - you can count on him to borrow even more money from the public - why - quote "they lost, we won" That is his quote on the White House steps. Your government should also give your tuition (yes give) money to worthless solar companies so they can go bankrupt and the CEO's can live a life style they deserve after receiving millions. Who needs education when you have corruption.

Maybe your country is to big to fail like ours. Our country must be - they just keep printing more money with the Federal Reserve and continually kiss FD as% - so I guess it can't fail.

Oh - you should have a government web site if you don't have one all ready, you can bitch about your tuition fees and they can sympathy's with you when you are going broke. Anyway - good luck with your banging pot protest - our protest really worked - why they are already thinking up new laws to sign so we can't get to aggressive in our thinking and protesting.

Our tuition funds mostly go towards minorities that are not legal citizens (yet), and thank god, who wants to be educated and born in this country with ability to get a good paying job when you can have someone else do it for you - you'll see in the end. You need uneducated immigrants that can't even speak english inserted in your schools so the teachers are just up against a cement wall. This way the government for sure going to make even more worthless rules and threats. And of course we have to educated those immigrants now - poor uneducated immigrants - you need to sacrifice some here - that is why they are raising the tuition fees. They need to pay for those who are not contributing to the system - don't ya know - eh?

Like I said in the beginning - you need Obummer for sure. The U.S.A voted for him and we got just what we deserve - a lying fraud - sort of like what you folks have up there only with a different twist. The problem with most of us that follow politics is we get tricked into thinking one of them most care - LOL.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Trust me, the liberal Jean Charest is not much different. Don't worry, he will soon cave in to these brats and give them everything they want, driving up our taxload, national debt, or both.





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